YAET - Got sold a knockoff item

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I'm not wrong at all. I realize the markup on clothes is huge and if it is 100% like you say then discounting it 50% means they are selling it at cost which makes no logical sense, the items are stolen, or they are COUNTERFEITS. Why would anyone listen to someone who doesn't think barbells are free weights anyway? HAHAHAHAHA

:roll:

I posted that as an attempt at a joke and it backfired.


Listen carefully. Selling counterfeits is illegal. It is trademark infringement. Not very different than selling pirated software. I suppose you think that is okay? Price is irrelevant.

Just because you say "buyer beware" does not give sellers the right to break the law or to represent their products in any way that is misleading or not factual. A buyer who sees the trademarked Specialized logo on a shirt has the reasonable expectation under that law that he will be receiving authentic goods, regardless of price.

Here's an example, if a car salesman offered to sell a person a brand new Accord at a very low price, and then switched it with a Civic at the last minute, would that be the buyer's fault in your mind, too? Because their greed led them into it? :roll: Or would you be able to recognize that as the unlawful bait-and-switch tactic that it actually is?

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Did she specify that it was an authentic jersey?

If not, you're hosed and you will know better next time.

🙁😉

 

[murphy55d]

How is this any different than a replica or authentic NFL jersey?

if it doesn't specify, and it's 35 bucks, why would you assume authentic?

caveat emptor

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: murphy55d

caveat emptor

Where do you get such words?????


and for heaven's sake its ebay... an AUCTION.. THERE SHOULD BE AUCTION PRICES!!!!
I've noticed that everyone likes to sell things at near store price and then charge a beautiful shipping amount.. and then you have the ebay and paypal sales and payment charges... its all so frikkin annoying!!

thats why i give ppl good deals even if it means screwing myself

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
How is this any different than a replica or authentic NFL jersey?

if it doesn't specify, and it's 35 bucks, why would you assume authentic?

caveat emptor

It's very different if Specialized didn't get the licensing fee that they are entitled to for the use of their trademark. Same if the NFL didn't their fee on that replica you mention.

If you buy a DVD off Ebay, should you not assume that it will be authentic? Or should you have to ask if it'll be an illegal pirated burned copy?

 

[murphy55d]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: murphy55d
How is this any different than a replica or authentic NFL jersey?

if it doesn't specify, and it's 35 bucks, why would you assume authentic?

caveat emptor

It's very different if Specialized didn't get the licensing fee that they are entitled to for the use of their trademark. Same if the NFL didn't their fee on that replica you mention.

If you buy a DVD off Ebay, should you not assume that it will be authentic? Or should you have to ask if it'll be an illegal pirated burned copy?

I'm asking. I don't know anything about these "Specialized" jersey things. But if they go for $70+, and one says 34.99 buy it now, does that not raise a red flag? it does to me.

 

[boyRacer]

i have specialized bikes but no matching jerseys

i think i gave them enough of my money without needing me to advertise for them 😛

well good luck to you, i would just keep it and use it as my beater jersey

 

[Blieb]

She wrote back ...
"Sent it back. I will refund your money with your shipping back via usps priority mail"

But now I'm tempted just to contact Specialized and Ebay ...

Vic is right:

Looking through the seller's feedback, it appears that she has a history of these illegal auctions, and it's about time someone did something about it.

I'll probably email Ebay and/or call Specialized tomorrow ...

 

[kranky]

Get your money back first, then report.

 

[PlatinumGold]

a bunch of you buyer beware morons really do piss me off.

clothing is sold by the manufacturer at cents on the dollar. the wholesaler usually buys a $80.00 polo shirt for eg, at $1 to $2 / piece. it is then sold to the retailer at mb 2 or 3 times that amount. a friend of mine has factories in colombia and china that he imports clothing from.

finding clothing at 1/2 to a 1/3 off retail is not uncommon. it's not like PC stuff where the margins are really very small. and yet, we buy pc components at 30% to 40% off retail all the time without blinking.

 

[randomlinh]

you're just too new for ebay. heh... i thought everyone knew you had to be skeptical of everything on there.. But at least she's giving you a refund.

 

[Blieb]

Wellll ... do I trust her? I mean ... she kinda scammed me ... and now wants me to send the product back before I get a refund.

I'm just on the fence ... I mean, we should be playing by my rules now.

As long as I have the jersey, and she has my money, I have proof that it's a fake. Once I send it back, all I'll have are pictures ...

 

[Blieb]

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/counterfeit.html

They key part is:

If the product you are selling bears the name or logo of a company, but it wasn't made or endorsed by that company, don't list it on eBay.

 

[Blieb]

I can easily report 'em to ebay ... but I should wait for $ back first right .... I guess that also means I should send the jersey back ... I'll take pics I guess ...

 

[rahvin]

I would personally tell her to send the money back and you might consider not reporting her. But for the satisfaction I would probably not even bother, the $40 you got ripped off could buy her some jail time. Counterfeit products are frequently raided by customs and people responsible for importing them are punished pretty harshly including all their inventory being destroyed. If individuals dont' stand up to these bogus products america could end up flooded with them.

This destroys the reputations of legitimate brand names and whether some of you want to believe it or not the counterfit products often end up hurting the US economy because they deprive legitimate US business interests of income. There have been a dozen articles in US financial magazines recently about the danger counterfit products present to the US economy and the world economy in general. Although counterfit clothing is probably the least dangerous of the fake products, it's just the tip of the iceberg and we all need to vigilant is making sure people that are illegaly importing and selling these fake products end up prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I would personally file a complaint with both ebay and paypal documenting the fake product and I would contact customs and the legimate manufacturer regarding the sales of the counterfit products on ebay in general and the seller in particular. Most legitimate companies are grateful to recieve the tip and some have even replaced the counterfits with legitimate product (although I wouldn't count on them doing it).