YACT: Which manufacturer has the most advance AWD system?

Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

Yup, everyone would drive a car that needs a new engine at 30K miles.

 

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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: kage69
I remember seeing on a car show awhile ago that Subaru's method was the most efficient and it's parts weighed much less than the systems used by competitors. Other than that, I have no clue... Good question though.

Subaru sellst he most awd cars, so that does make sense.

that's not really a valid statement since ALL subaru cars have AWD standard. If they offered non-AWD in their cars as an option then they probably would sell the same amount as every other manufacturer. Probably even less because they don't do the volume othere popular manufactures do.

Um, what? Subaru sells the most AWD cars on the planet, which leads me to believe that they have among the most experienced AWD engineers, which means I'm not making a long stretch by presuming they may also have the most advanced AWD system. I'm not saying they DO have the most advanced system, but if I had to put money on it that's what I'd say.

Obviously there may be other systems more advanced like in the bugatti supercar or something similar.

Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

Don't be mad at me just because I pointed out the idiocy of your earlier statement.

And don't forget advacned can mean anything. If GM can create a full FWD setup for a car that costs them only $40 to produce, because they are producnig so many and have honed their manufacturing, that's a pretty damn well advanced FWD setup.

 

[SuperTool]

GTR has ATESSA
good enough for me 😉

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: kage69
I remember seeing on a car show awhile ago that Subaru's method was the most efficient and it's parts weighed much less than the systems used by competitors. Other than that, I have no clue... Good question though.

Subaru sellst he most awd cars, so that does make sense.

that's not really a valid statement since ALL subaru cars have AWD standard. If they offered non-AWD in their cars as an option then they probably would sell the same amount as every other manufacturer. Probably even less because they don't do the volume othere popular manufactures do.

Um, what? Subaru sells the most AWD cars on the planet, which leads me to believe that they have among the most experienced AWD engineers, which means I'm not making a long stretch by presuming they may also have the most advanced AWD system. I'm not saying they DO have the most advanced system, but if I had to put money on it that's what I'd say.

Obviously there may be other systems more advanced like in the bugatti supercar or something similar.

Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

Don't be mad at me just because I pointed out the idiocy of your earlier statement.

And don't forget advacned can mean anything. If GM can create a full FWD setup for a car that costs them only $40 to produce, because they are producnig so many and have honed their manufacturing, that's a pretty damn well advanced FWD setup.

don't try to backtrack by changing the meaning of "advanced" in your posts. And on your earlier post your logic goes like this:
Subaru sells the most therefore has the BEST AWD Engineers ... that's called a slippery slope my friend.
Microsoft sells the most therefore has the BEST Engineers .... I'm sure they have good engineers but probably not the best.

 

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Actually MS probably does have the best engineers because they have the most money and can throw it at people to have the best of them. Subaru, unlike any other manufacturer, incorporates AWD into each automobile they sell and as such AWD technology is totally crucial to their cars. They want reliability, performance, and low cost. "Advanced" is a loose and vague term. It's like "what's the best car"? Impossible to answer. Similarly this question is impossible to answer, so all we can really do is offer areas in which different manufacturers excel. I think the bugatti super car's AWD system is going to be pretty sweet, but it's not appropriate for a subaru.

Until you define advanced you can't really come up with an answer. Obviously if an AWD system costs $5k more than a non-awd setup and weighs 500 pounds and lasts about 500 miles, that is a poorly conceived system. Subaru has a lot of experience with AWD and so they are more likely to have mastered it than a company that sells 200 AWD cars a year.

 

Microsoft sells the most therefore has the BEST Engineers .... I'm sure they have good engineers but probably not the best.

They have the most resources, I would imagine they have some of the best.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: kage69
I remember seeing on a car show awhile ago that Subaru's method was the most efficient and it's parts weighed much less than the systems used by competitors. Other than that, I have no clue... Good question though.

Subaru sellst he most awd cars, so that does make sense.

that's not really a valid statement since ALL subaru cars have AWD standard. If they offered non-AWD in their cars as an option then they probably would sell the same amount as every other manufacturer. Probably even less because they don't do the volume othere popular manufactures do.

Um, what? Subaru sells the most AWD cars on the planet, which leads me to believe that they have among the most experienced AWD engineers, which means I'm not making a long stretch by presuming they may also have the most advanced AWD system. I'm not saying they DO have the most advanced system, but if I had to put money on it that's what I'd say.

Obviously there may be other systems more advanced like in the bugatti supercar or something similar.

Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

Don't be mad at me just because I pointed out the idiocy of your earlier statement.

And don't forget advacned can mean anything. If GM can create a full FWD setup for a car that costs them only $40 to produce, because they are producnig so many and have honed their manufacturing, that's a pretty damn well advanced FWD setup.

You can keep living in your fantasy world where highest sales = highest quality but I'll remain in the real world, thank you very much.
Oh, and advanced does not equal cheap. Advanced usually indicates "ahead of its time". Please explain how cheap equates with ahead of its time?

 

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Advanced usually indicates "ahead of its time". Please explain how cheap equates with ahead of its time?

As mentioned, advanced relies on the definition. To subaru do you think they care if they can lower the weight of their transmission by 10 pounds (advanced), or lower the cost by $500 (cheaper). To them the latter would be more advanced, as it would use cheaper metals and components.

I would submit that if you have 10 engineers at one manufacturer and 100 AWD engineers at another (subaru), then regardless of their goals the 100 will produce a more advanced setup because they have more resources and development. Although the first group may come up with a lighter or faster tranny, the second may come up with one that is almost free to produce. Both are advanced, but the latter is probably more so if only because of resources. So, unless subaru has monkeys in its engineering department I'm thinking they probably have a pretty advanced awd system for what they want.

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb

Advanced usually indicates "ahead of its time". Please explain how cheap equates with ahead of its time?

As mentioned, advanced relies on the definition. To subaru do you think they care if they can lower the weight of their transmission by 10 pounds (advanced), or lower the cost by $500 (cheaper). To them the latter would be more advanced, as it would use cheaper metals and components.

I would submit that if you have 10 engineers at one manufacturer and 100 AWD engineers at another (subaru), then regardless of their goals the 100 will produce a more advanced setup because they have more resources and development. Although the first group may come up with a lighter or faster tranny, the second may come up with one that is almost free to produce. Both are advanced, but the latter is probably more so if only because of resources. So, unless subaru has monkeys in its engineering department I'm thinking they probably have a pretty advanced awd system for what they want.

alright lets get back on topic:

Originally posted by: bolido2000

Originally posted by: fivespeed5
what do you mean? you mean for 4 wheel off roading? or just better handling in the snow?

for a car application (snow/bad weather)

he wants something that will be BEST for snow... lets assume price / reliablity take a backseat to the best one for snow in a car eh?

 

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he wants something that will be BEST for snow... lets assume price / reliablity take a backseat to the best one for snow in a car eh?

OK now you're talkin 😀 I'm still thinking that because of their experience Subaru would have one of the best AWD (if not the best) at lower price points. At higher perhaps Audi's system is better in this application?

 

[0roo0roo]

The Ultimate System
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive5.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential8.htm

 

The Ultimate System
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive5.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential8.htm

Pretty much the end of this thread.

 

[TechnoKid]

I heard that Audi has a superior awd system compared to say, BMW's xi on the 3 series. I will have to research this later, gotta head to class.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: love1u0

Originally posted by: Millennium
I'm biased, but I like quattro.

What, does your mommy own one?

maybe because he drives an Audi Quattro

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: SammySon

The Ultimate System
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive5.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential8.htm

Pretty much the end of this thread.

my god you're an idiot... he's interested in AWD systems in CARS that link takes you to something about a HUMMER.

 

[MiniGolfIsFun]

Originally posted by: Keego

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: kage69
I remember seeing on a car show awhile ago that Subaru's method was the most efficient and it's parts weighed much less than the systems used by competitors. Other than that, I have no clue... Good question though.

That's ridiculous. Why is the competitor to the WRX STi (Lancer Evo) priced the same or less than the STi if Subaru can manufacture their drivetrain parts so much cheaper than anyone else? BTW, Mitsu/DSM AWD pwns j00.

Well perhaps because there is more to either of those cars than the transmission...

:Q NO!

Really, they put a lot of money into the cars besides just the mechanical features. Plus, with Subaru, they want the price high so not just any little foodley foodley will buy it and then drive like crap.



edit: I like my subaru but I haven't tried any other AWD cars. (nor will I)

Actually, the reason why Mitsu prolly sells the Evo at that price is more of a marketing gimmick. Keep in mind that the Evo did come out before the STi. They want to be able to sell the car for under 30K and it gives them room to play with if they should ever bring out the UK evo with the Super Active Yaw Control. If SAYC was available on the evo, there would be no way that they can keep the price below 30k.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
full time 4WD owns AWD (yes, there is a difference)

What's the difference?

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: kage69
I remember seeing on a car show awhile ago that Subaru's method was the most efficient and it's parts weighed much less than the systems used by competitors. Other than that, I have no clue... Good question though.

Subaru sellst he most awd cars, so that does make sense.

that's not really a valid statement since ALL subaru cars have AWD standard. If they offered non-AWD in their cars as an option then they probably would sell the same amount as every other manufacturer. Probably even less because they don't do the volume othere popular manufactures do.

Um, what? Subaru sells the most AWD cars on the planet, which leads me to believe that they have among the most experienced AWD engineers, which means I'm not making a long stretch by presuming they may also have the most advanced AWD system. I'm not saying they DO have the most advanced system, but if I had to put money on it that's what I'd say.

Obviously there may be other systems more advanced like in the bugatti supercar or something similar.

Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

actually, you're the idiot. GM does not make the most FWD cars. in fact, they don't make the most cars, period. these days, that title belongs to toyota. pwned!

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: love1u0

Originally posted by: Millennium
I'm biased, but I like quattro.

What, does your mommy own one?

watch who you're talking to, boy. IIRC, he owns one himself, and also a wicked mustang.

 

[Apex]

I'd say the one in the GTR or the one in the 911 Turbo. Very different systems, both crazy good.

The xDrive is teh suck. Not AWD anymore, only part time now. The 03 models had a real AWD system.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Isn't Nissan's the only RWD based system on that list? I pick that one.

 

[Apex]

No, porsche's is as well. The new Lamborghini system is too.

 

[CraigRT]

definitely this:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/s/j/sjy120/2001lamborghinidiablo6.0.html

 

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So much love in this thread it makes me so happy.

Anyway I think that the AWD in the Jag xtype is a RWD based system, isn't it?

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Yet another idiotic statement... That's like saying GM makes the best FWD cars since they sell the most. Sales don't mean much when referring to quality. Sales usually reflect price and availability rather than quality. Why, if only the highest quality cars sold the most everyone would drive Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos.

actually, you're the idiot. GM does not make the most FWD cars. in fact, they don't make the most cars, period. these days, that title belongs to toyota. pwned!

um.. he did state "That's LIKE"... he was using it as an example so don't call him an idiot on a technicality
hardly "pwned"