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BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissions as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.


And yes there are those that are marketed as "Overdrive Transmissions", and I'm guessing that these are what you are familiar with; however calling it an overdrive transmission does not make it an overdrive, it is simply not the same thing at all.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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And yes there are those that are marketed as "Overdrive Transmissions", and I'm guessing that these are what you are familiar with; however calling it an overdrive transmission does not make it an overdrive, it is simply not the same thing at all.

Yeah, it does, actually.

 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?

You're the one who came here with the know it all condescending attitude.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?

You're the one who came here with the know it all condescending attitude.






Forget it You are wrong, you are rude and I won't waste any more time with a barbarian.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

While that is clearly an overdrive unit, and how the term got started, English is a fluid language. "Overdrive" now refers to any gear which allows the wheels to overdrive the engine.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?

You're the one who came here with the know it all condescending attitude.

Forget it You are wrong, you are rude and I won't waste any more time with a barbarian.

I rest my case.

I'm as wrong as someone who calls photocopying xeroxing. Technically, I'm wrong, but it takes a special kind of ass to insist that we not call it xeroxing.

The world calls it overdrive.

While that is clearly an overdrive unit, and how the term got started, English is a fluid language. "Overdrive" now refers to any gear which allows the wheels to overdrive the engine.

Precisely.
 

sierrita

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Mar 24, 2002
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?

You're the one who came here with the know it all condescending attitude.

Forget it You are wrong, you are rude and I won't waste any more time with a barbarian.

I rest my case.

I'm as wrong as someone who calls photocopying xeroxing. Technically, I'm wrong, but it takes a special kind of ass to insist that we not call it xeroxing.

The world calls it overdrive.

While that is clearly an overdrive unit, and how the term got started, English is a fluid language. "Overdrive" now refers to any gear which allows the wheels to overdrive the engine.

Precisely.




That's a weak, semantic argument, Wiki clearly differentiates between the two.

Feralkid is right and explained it well; in turn BD treats him like a dick.
 

DaTT

Garage Moderator
Moderator
Feb 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

As a matter of fact I read the entire thread. No need for all the technical jargon. The OP wanted to know when to use OD, and he already had his question answered in his own very first post....yes use it on the highway. There is no need to use it in the city unless you want all the extra shifting.

And yes, OD is just another gear (or set of).
 

jagec

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sierrita
That's a weak, semantic argument, Wiki clearly differentiates between the two.

Feralkid is right and explained it well; in turn BD treats him like a dick.

Oxford, Merriam-Webster, and Dictionary.com don't. I like Wiki too, but I trust Oxford a lot more when it comes to the English language, and especially proper usage.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: Juno
i have a question on overdrive. i drive a '04 nissan xterra and it has an OD button. what will i have to enable OD? i'm still a bit confused about OD...

Whats to be confused about?....its just another gear.






Let me guess...you haven't read any of this, have you?

But it IS just another gear....




Google is your friend.

I know what youre getting at and all, but for all practical purposes aside from a few freak exceptions, not to mention specifically his car, its JUST another gear!







Did you Google? Wiki?

Look up Laycock De Normanville if you still have trouble grasping what an overdrive is.

Just because someone slaps another gear in the box to change the ratio, that does not make it an overdrive.

Ford used to market their transmissins as having a 5th gear "that acts as an overdrive".


That's analogous to throwing an anchor and chain out of your car and saying it "acts as the brakes"...maybe, but it IS NOT THE BRAKES.

Same thing with simply adding another gear.


Hope this helps.


How old are you? I mean no offense, but perhaps you are too young to have owned or worked on a car with a true overdrive. Perhaps that's what you termed "freak exceptions". These are not freaky (well some look kind of wierd) or exceptions, they are Overdrives.

I don't need to google it. I believe you 100%. But they haven't made cars like that for a long time, with some rare exceptions if any at all. For all practical intents and purposes, on the vast majority of cars, OD = top gear.

Congratulations, youre older than me. It's the 21st century now. Would you like to join me here in the present?



Never heard of classic cars? The cars are older, not me.

Wow, I try to be nice and explain it, and here's what I get.

Absolutely no reason to be a Dick about it.

We are in these forums to help eachother.

What's the matter with you?

You're the one who came here with the know it all condescending attitude.

Forget it You are wrong, you are rude and I won't waste any more time with a barbarian.

I rest my case.

I'm as wrong as someone who calls photocopying xeroxing. Technically, I'm wrong, but it takes a special kind of ass to insist that we not call it xeroxing.

The world calls it overdrive.

While that is clearly an overdrive unit, and how the term got started, English is a fluid language. "Overdrive" now refers to any gear which allows the wheels to overdrive the engine.

Precisely.




That's a weak, semantic argument, Wiki clearly differentiates between the two.

Feralkid is right and explained it well; in turn BD treats him like a dick.

And I've never denied his correctness or questioned his articulation of it.

He said what he said. Then he followed up by condescending to the person stating the obvious, which was the first dick move. After a few volleys of dickishness back and forth, in the end, he's a pompous ass, and im just a plain dick.
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: BD2003[ That's a weak, semantic argument, Wiki clearly differentiates between the two.

Feralkid is right and explained it well; in turn BD treats him like a dick.


And I've never denied his correctness or questioned his articulation of it.

He said what he said. Then he followed up by condescending to the person stating the obvious, which was the first dick move. After a few volleys of dickishness back and forth, in the end, he's a pompous ass, and im just a plain dick.[/quote]



I can read, and I saw no condescension from him...you were wrong and made it ugly.

:thumbsdown:

 

Kelemvor

Lifer
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You should always use the O. It jsut allows the extra gear on top. It doesn't affect the lower gears at all. Only reason to NOT use Overdrive is if you are towing something.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: BD2003[ That's a weak, semantic argument, Wiki clearly differentiates between the two.

Feralkid is right and explained it well; in turn BD treats him like a dick.


And I've never denied his correctness or questioned his articulation of it.

He said what he said. Then he followed up by condescending to the person stating the obvious, which was the first dick move. After a few volleys of dickishness back and forth, in the end, he's a pompous ass, and im just a plain dick.




I can read, and I saw no condescension from him...you were wrong and made it ugly.

:thumbsdown:

[/quote]


You can read, but apparently he doesn't think anyone else can. I back up captain obvious, and then he refers me to the almighty google. I tell him theres no need for that, because I know he's technically right. Then he questions my integrity, and even pulls the age card. I tell him he's right AGAIN, bringing myself down to his level just so he can understand what I'm saying. He questions my integrity AGAIN, with the most disgusting holier than thou bullshit attitude. "We are in these forums to help each other" he says, yet he completely ignored the OP who asked for help (and got it, from several including myself), just so he can lord over all of us how ignorant we are for not knowing what a *real* overdrive is.

Give me a fvcking break. :disgust:
 
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when we come to the US for holidays we always seem to drive round in Drive,

but real men have manual gearbox's anyway
 
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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: allanon1965
"first off the over drive gear is a gear that is 'lower' ratio than the last gear.. like in sticks, your 5th gear would be considered over drive.. if you are on a 5 speed manual. "


Not true, while overdrive is a gear lower than the last, many 5 speeds are not overdrive, over drive is a ratio of approximatley .8 to 1 where drive is always a 1 to 1 ratio. many 5 speeds have a 5th gear which is a 1 to 1 ratio. some of course do not, but to say that a 5 speed is an overdrive is wrong...

Overdrive is ANY ratio lower than 1:1.

Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
Anyway you use it at highway speeds (flat lands) to get better gas mileage, but dont try using it to climb hills and stuff, cause overdrive button back int eh day meant a seperate gear thinge, but yeah.. its good for highway only, dont try climbing steep hills with it, its not worth it, probbaly ruin your tranny.

How on earth would it damage your tranny? Explain this to me.



i dont know but we used to have an automatic renault espace and used to tow a 1 ton+ trailer with it. i think that and a combination of french bust the tranny on that one
 
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Originally posted by: Fraggable
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Fraggable
I almost posted the same question a few days ago.

In my (auto) Mustang, if I turn OD off it affects all 4 gears, so it's not like it's a 5th gear like I always thought. I've found that I get much smoother gear shifts and fewer downshifts if I turn it off below 40MPH.

I've never heard of such a thing. Overdrive is referring to a specific property of what is usually the highest gear (some high-end have more than one OD gear).

I could imagine that it would change the shift points of the gears, but disabling OD should in theory disable top gear - are you SURE it's shifting into 4th and youre not just feeling 3rd lockup?

No, I'm not sure exactly what it's doing, I haven't spent that much time with it yet, but it seems like it just causes higher RPMs all around when it's off. I'll try to figure out if it will go into 4th with OD off.


is it not just a different final drive gear?


im not sure what im talking bout either, but i thought final drive gear affects all gears before it