YACT: What's up with pickups?

[carterbeauford]

first paragraphs do work, believe me.

Second, your Tundra only hauls 7100lbs. This comes directly from Truck World .

Third, your truck as the 8.25" rear end. There are only 3 lockers i know of offhand for it, lockrite, no-slip, and an uber expensive LSD that is pretty much garbage. This rear end is not that spectacular and, in fact, will not hand 35" tires without issue.

Fourth, Toyota is behind the game when it comes to development. They are just now coming out with a 4 door model? Hell, all their customers went to the big three looking for a 4 door solution.

Fifth, look at the sales of Tundra's versus F150's and tell me they are coming close. Hell, the F150 got best truck in its final year under this design.[/quote]


arb makes air lockers, do you know what those are? the "no slip" and LSD you reference are not lockers. my tundra rolls on 33s, as do many, some roll on 35s, a couple on 38s, and one on 42s. they handle larger tires flawlessly as long as they are regeared properly. want some pics? toyota is slow to develop, yes, but that is no excuse to write them off. they tested the market and were successful. the tow rating is 7100lb, yes, but it will tow more. the ratings are conservative. ford simply does not offer a truck of comparable quailty.

 

[carterbeauford]

first paragraphs do work, believe me.

Second, your Tundra only hauls 7100lbs. This comes directly from Truck World .

Third, your truck as the 8.25" rear end. There are only 3 lockers i know of offhand for it, lockrite, no-slip, and an uber expensive LSD that is pretty much garbage. This rear end is not that spectacular and, in fact, will not hand 35" tires without issue.

Fourth, Toyota is behind the game when it comes to development. They are just now coming out with a 4 door model? Hell, all their customers went to the big three looking for a 4 door solution.

Fifth, look at the sales of Tundra's versus F150's and tell me they are coming close. Hell, the F150 got best truck in its final year under this design.[/quote]


arb makes air lockers, do you know what those are? the "no slip" and LSD you reference are not lockers. my tundra rolls on 33s, as do many, some roll on 35s, a couple on 38s, and one on 42s. they handle larger tires flawlessly as long as they are regeared properly. want some pics? toyota is slow to develop, yes, but that is no excuse to write them off. they tested the market and were successful. the tow rating is 7100lb, yes, but it will tow more. the ratings are conservative. ford simply does not offer a truck of comparable quailty.

 

[ElFenix]

/me kicks wink out of texas

 

[Ladies Man]

For those of you bitching about how many plants are in Mexico for ford... It seems to be dated around 98

 

[Ladies Man]

another bump to show just how many plants are in mexico

 

[bigshot]

Originally posted by: carterbeauford
hi. i've owned a 2000 tundra for over 3 years. let me clarify some things. it has 77,000 problem-free miles, toyota reliability is legendary and has not changed with this truck. it weighs 5900lbs, compared to the 3000lb analogy previously made. it will tow up to 8000lbs easily and hold 2000lbs of cargo, both of which are over the recommended ratings since it's a 1/2-ton, but within the tundra's capabilities. it has a bulletproof 245hp iron-block V8, which is of course less powerful than 300+hp diesel 1-tons that it's been senselessly compared to, but albeit provides ample power and torque. its drivetrain can be easily modified with locking differentials, and it can be easily lifted making it a serious contender offroad. it will tow anything within the limits of any comparable 1/2-ton pickup, i've pulled an 8000lb sailboat with ease. i recently rearended someone going 45mph and was uninjured and the truck does not even look like it's been in an accident. the tundra was rated #1 in safety among all comparable full size pickups. watch the video of the f150 hitting a wall and tell me how safe you feel. the tundra is approaching its 4th model year and 5th year on the market, and a crew cab version has been released for 2004. silverados, f150s, and rams have been around for years. the tundra is evolving quickly, and rest assured, 3/4 and 1-ton versions are inevitable. the tundra's place as a serious competitor has been achieved, causing such heated discussions as this one. thousands have made the switch to a tundra from an f150, silverado, or ram and vowed to never go back. the tundra plant in princeton created thousands of jobs. another plant in san antonio is being built and will create thousands more. my truck is built in the US. yours isn't. what have the big 3 done for america lately? my tundra is a superior truck. however slowly, people are realizing this and making the switch. they wouldn't have flown off the lots over the last 5 years if they sucked, trust me. when the '06 diesel 1-ton hits the market, watch your superduty sales plummet. i just wanted to clarify the claims of the tundra sucking, or being a japanese econo-box, or a POS for the less-informed folks who made them. if you can overcome your biases and prejudices and try a tundra, you'll thank me after you own it for a while. go to princeton or san antonio and americans will thank you. mexicans and canadians might thank you if they see your f150, silverado, or ram when you cross the border to our north or south, but i hope you understand spanish or french.

keep toting the tundra because it looks like america doesnt care about the tundra. look at sales. if the F-150 was such a sh!tty truck why has it been the best selling vehicle in the last 20+ years in north america. it sells probably 100x the amount what toyota sells. GM with its silverado is the second highest sold vehicle in north america. dodge is behind them but not much. american carmakers are not worried about toyota because they hold 90% of the market because consumers know their trucks are well made and dependable. About the tundra coming in with its diesel in '06 and seeing superduty sales plummet is laughable. Toyota been in the truck business for a long time now but they are no where even close of selling the number of trucks american companies sell.

about the F-150 being built in Canada, where is the disadvantage. do you really think being built in canada will be less reliable and put together poorly because its not built in US...you sir are truly dumb. go drive your rice truck with a luxury car engine in it..give me a nice hemi or 5.4 V8 found in the dodge or ford..take those over that little tundra anyday of the week.

 

[alkemyst]

My father bought a tundra to tow his 23' openfisherman, center console, 110gallons, dual engines...The Tundra had the best sticker price and options.

Towing capacity is not the end all be all, there is cost, mileage, maintenance, etc...he has never had a problem with the Tundra in a few years.

The Tundra offers the most towing capacity in it's 'class/mileage category'.

He is now looking into a Bronco...not a F150 or Expedition/Explorer, etc. There is just too much markup on these vehicles and not enough capacity.

He needs only about 7k lbs in towing.

In regards to other trucks like the F series, there are a lot of differences underneath the trucks such as chassis, powertrain, etc.

 

[tm37]

Toyota sales are gonna skyrocket because next year they will be in the craftsman truck series

 

[Goosemaster]

People keep on mentioning a diesel toyota...links?

 

[flyfish]

A link 4 u.

Torque is the name of the game when it comes to the diesel.

 

[aircooled]

It's all about suspension & drive train...

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: carterbeauford
first paragraphs do work, believe me.

Second, your Tundra only hauls 7100lbs. This comes directly from Truck World .

Third, your truck as the 8.25" rear end. There are only 3 lockers i know of offhand for it, lockrite, no-slip, and an uber expensive LSD that is pretty much garbage. This rear end is not that spectacular and, in fact, will not hand 35" tires without issue.

Fourth, Toyota is behind the game when it comes to development. They are just now coming out with a 4 door model? Hell, all their customers went to the big three looking for a 4 door solution.

Fifth, look at the sales of Tundra's versus F150's and tell me they are coming close. Hell, the F150 got best truck in its final year under this design.

arb makes air lockers, do you know what those are? the "no slip" and LSD you reference are not lockers. my tundra rolls on 33s, as do many, some roll on 35s, a couple on 38s, and one on 42s. they handle larger tires flawlessly as long as they are regeared properly. want some pics? toyota is slow to develop, yes, but that is no excuse to write them off. they tested the market and were successful. the tow rating is 7100lb, yes, but it will tow more. the ratings are conservative. ford simply does not offer a truck of comparable quailty.[/quote]


Thats funny. ARB does not even list the 8.25" rear end as an option.

The 8.25" came out in 98, previous to that, all the Yota trucks were using the 8" rear end. The 8.25" does not have much aftermarket support at all. BTW, an LSD is a type of locker. The no-slip is a locker, it is a lunchbox locker, but it is still a locker because it locks up both wheels when power is applied.

The only way that yota axle will survive 42 inch tires is if they are pavement pounders. 42" tires are getting into 1 ton axle requirements. I konow i saw one guy with 42's, a dana 44 front and a stock yota rear end, but he was nothing but a street queen. It even had a playstation 2 and brushed aluminum dash.

Please dont try to act as if you are the king of offroading, because i am much more experienced than you are, judging by your claims.

 

[Salvador]

Along with everything else that has been said about the larger trucks being more "heavy duty", having a physically larger truck lets you displace the load more evenly and this gives you a greater load capacity.

It's like putting a refrigerator and a water bed in a second floor apartment. The water bed weighs more than the fridge, but the water bed displaces the weight over a greater area, so the refrigerator actually puts more stress on the floor.

Sal

 

[alkemyst]

Another funny thing I am seeing now that my father and me are looking into SUV's to replace his tundra. The mid-sized one is many times the one in the vehicle line that can pull the most.

Toyota's large SUV is the Sequoia, it pulls way less than the mid-sized 4runner. It's ridiculous. Not to mention the mid-sized 4runner is priced the same as the full-sized Expedition (sat 6 of us very comfortably), had great a/c, smooth running and quiet...the new suspension is great and handling is greatly improved in 2003.

They are catering to the soccer mom with making large trucks that are so car-like they are useless as large trucks.

 

[Tom]

Think I'll head over to White Castle In my Hemi Dodge and get some sliders.

Hope I don't twist my shaft..

 

[clamum]

I swear a manual transmission little ruck is p1mp as hell.