YACT: Timing Belt

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PeeluckyDuckee

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What about preventative maintenance? I mean for the bigger ticket crucial components? Would you guys go ahead and have it replaced before it becomes a problem and leaving you hung high and dry unexpectedly? Sure the cost of the job is costly, but it'll be even more costly if it's out of warranty and you need to take the day off, pay for towing, and have it repaired.

Things like belts, starters, brakes, clutches, etc? Just curious.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
What about preventative maintenance? I mean for the bigger ticket crucial components? Would you guys go ahead and have it replaced before it becomes a problem and leaving you hung high and dry unexpectedly? Sure the cost of the job is costly, but it'll be even more costly if it's out of warranty and you need to take the day off, pay for towing, and have it repaired.

Things like belts, starters, brakes, clutches, etc? Just curious.

The belts will most like stretch out before they ever break. That and they'll start fraying some. Starters, never had one go bad on our vehicles (Honda, Toyota). Brakes, change 'em when they make noise. Clutches, change 'em when the start slipping. Most of these things don't just stop working one day. You'll know they need to be attended to long before they outright fail.
 

paulney

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
The moral of the story is, the dealership isn't charging more because it's a chick's car. They aren't charging too much labor. Their prices are just a bit higher (labor and parts) than other shops (or maybe they aren't, depends on where you live).
If their labor rate is 100/hr, then I'd imagine that even the independent shops are going to be more than the prices Roger gave. They'll probably be cheaper, but they're hourly rate likely won't be 35/hr less.

I totally agree with you on charging based the book time for a particular car, but as for the dealership prices - they do overinflate the labor prices to cover everyone else's labor other than mechanic's. When you call the dealership and schedule an appointment - you pay for the lady talking to you. When you pull up to the dealership and have a service adviser take your car - you are paying for his time, too. You go inside and maybe get a loaner. You pay for whoever's time it took to arrrange everything and have a coffee jar warm and maybe some doughnuts on the table, too.

Take all that out (and lots of other things the delaership has, that do not immideately affect you) - and you get an independent shop which typically charges way less, and a lot of times does a better job than a dealership. Mechanics have to maintain their rep, while the dealership will get a constant flow of customers anyway.

On average, after your complete coverage warranty has expired, a good independent mechanic is your best bet: from simple oil change to timing belt replacement.
 

Nutbucket

Belts jump and break as well. Additionally they stretch. They're not maintenance free either. They're just less likely to snap, that's all.

Incorrect sir, timing belts do not stretch, they are fabricated out of Kevlar, the do not jump either unless teeth break off or a idler or tensioner pulley fails.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: Roger
Nutbucket

Belts jump and break as well. Additionally they stretch. They're not maintenance free either. They're just less likely to snap, that's all.

Incorrect sir, timing belts do not stretch, they are fabricated out of Kevlar, the do not jump either unless teeth break off or a idler or tensioner pulley fails.

Doh! my bad, I meant chains:eek:
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Doesn't VW/Audi use special coolant that'd cost over $5 as well??

G12(I think that's the right number). Bright pink stuff. About $14 for a gallon of it.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Evadman
If you never want to worry about a belt or chain breaking, get a gear driven timing set. Nothing like good old fashoned straight cut gear whine.
VW Typ IV! w00t! The little VW-derived flat-4 in my 914 uses timing gears. :) Doesn't have any reputation for beating on the valvetrain either.

ZV
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
The moral of the story is, the dealership isn't charging more because it's a chick's car. They aren't charging too much labor. Their prices are just a bit higher (labor and parts) than other shops (or maybe they aren't, depends on where you live).
If their labor rate is 100/hr, then I'd imagine that even the independent shops are going to be more than the prices Roger gave. They'll probably be cheaper, but they're hourly rate likely won't be 35/hr less.

On average, after your complete coverage warranty has expired, a good independent mechanic is your best bet: from simple oil change to timing belt replacement.
No way. Independent shops cannot keep up with the technology as well as a good dealer shop can. You say it's better to go to an independent shop even for oil changes.....I say, wrong. If you have your car in the dealership for an oil change, and it is a higher mileage (say over 50k) vehicle, you're far better off going to a dealership IF it isn't some two-bit small garage....here's why: Let's say you have several items on your car that need or are going to need some attention....the lube techs at a good dealership shop are used to working on usually one brand of vehicle....so they are usually aware of things that typically go wrong with them....if they see something questionable, they have the option of asking a factory trained tech to come over and take a look with them. For the most part, independent shops don't have this option.
And our oil changes are 21.95, so we're cheaper than most any lube shop, and just as fast.

I can't tell you how many cars come into our dealership that customers have been taking to "my long time mechanic that I trust" and there's all kinds of stuff that needs servicing.
I know that there are lots of good independent shops out there, and they nearly always have former dealership techs working there, at least the specialty shops do.
Put it this way: I have seen thousands of vehicles come in that have spent hundreds of $$$ at an independent shop to do tune up items, flushes, sensors, etc, then after they still have the same problem, they send them to us to fix it.....when they customer could have just come to us in the first place and we'd have diagnosed it properly. We might have also said, "oh, and while we were under the hood, we noticed that you need, x, x. and x, but THIS is what you need for your original concern.
As far as cost goes, around here there isn't that much difference. Example: Pep Boys charges 65 bucks for an EEC diagnostic test, and all they do is scan the codes and recommend a sensor. And they're usually wrong.
We charge 75 and actually do the pinpoint tests necessary to prove the part is bad. I could understand giving them a shot if they were half the price, but for ten bucks, do you really want some 19 year old with no training diagnosing your vehicle?
Aftermarket shops call us and other dealers all the time wanting help with a diagnosis or other assistance. Do you think any competent dealership shop EVER calls an independent shop and asks for help?
You get what you pay for.

 

MAME

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Got it back. It was $490 before the oil change, so I guess it wasn't too much $. Total was around $550. They said if the car wasn't serviced soon, the oil would have leaked out completely and caused engine damage. Penzoil is to blame for putting on the oil filter too loosely but since there was no engine damage, it's not really worth the time to try and make them pay for anything.

Anyway, thanks for the help guys...much appreciated!