YACT: Time for a new car?

Kristi2k

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I have an 02 Malibu LS, about every 15 months I need to replace the brakes and sometimes the caliper as well. I have two payments left of this car and am wondering if I should sell it and get something else? CD-player just died and now I need to replace the brakes once again.

What are your thoughts? I am thinking about a new car, something that has good gas mileage, I use ~ 15k miles per year. I am semi-interested in the Toyota Matrix.
 

Zenmervolt

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That's pretty awful for a car that's only 5 years old. Just what are you doing to it? And your brakes are only lasting 15 months? Here's a tip: Don't rest your left foot on the brake pedal while driving.

You should be able to keep a car, reliably for 150,000-200,000 miles.

In short, it shouldn't be time for a new car, but apparently you're very hard on your vehicle.

ZV
 

Kristi2k

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Thank you for assuming I am hard on the car, I am not. Supposedly this is a now known issue with the model.
 

TheKub

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I have an 02 Malibu as well.

Just replaced the front brakes for the second time (85k). Other than the turn signals going crazy (which was fixed under warranty which chevy extended) its been going strong.

Im keeping mine, paid it off 2 years early and have grown accustomed to not having a car payment.
 

DougK62

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My mom has an 02 Malibu and my brother has an 03 that work gave him. Neither of them have a problem with using up brake pad more than other cars. I think you're just rough on it. If that's you're only complaint on a 5 year old car then I think that's good.

 

freakflag

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At the risk of pissing you off and starting a flame war, if you buy a Toyota Matrix you should have your license yanked on the basis of horrid taste. Wait! Let me stop you before you even mention it...the Honda Element sucks too. Plus they're both foreign. Don't get me started.
 

nakedfrog

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I'd wait until there's major issues... I'd rather pay to replace brakes every year than have a car payment.
 

Kristi2k

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I am NOT rough on my brakes, I know how to drive a car. The CD-player just died, the temp control dials only work at full blast, windshield wipers work sporadically.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Thank you for assuming I am hard on the car, I am not. Supposedly this is a now known issue with the model.
If you go through brakes in 15 months (18,750 miles assuming that your 15,000 miles/year is accurate) of street driving you are doing something wrong. Period. I track my car on weekends and still get more than that out of my brakes.

A check on the car reveals no recalls or even TSB's that would indicate that rotor or caliper failure is common. If it were just the pads, and if it were the first time, then I'd be inclined to say that the OE pads are simply too soft and that you should try a good aftermarket set of ceramic pads. But you're wearing out calipers and rotors as well, and you've surely tried other pads rather than just going back to the dealer each time.

Which leaves us with you being the only variable to account for the rotor and caliper wear.

In any case, being "hard" on a vehicle doesn't mean that you're jumping curbs and doing burnouts and such. It simply means that you're treating it like probably 80% of the people today treat their cars; like a disposable item that they can just hop in, switch on, and drive without worrying about. Doing things like not changing the coolant and brake fluid every two years, or not checking the tires every other week, or not checking the oil level between changes, or leaving the spark plugs in for 100,000+ miles instead of changing them every 30,000. Those kinds of things are hard on cars. Always have been, always will be.

ZV
 

Fraggable

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Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Thank you for assuming I am hard on the car, I am not. Supposedly this is a now known issue with the model.

Very possible that the rotors are warping, a known issue on Malibus and many other GM cars. Have them hand-tighten the lugs instead of using an air wrench and that should take care of it. Of course now you need a new set of brakes but from now on that should prevent it from happening again.
 

mitaiwan82

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Originally posted by: freakflag
At the risk of pissing you off and starting a flame war, if you buy a Toyota Matrix you should have your license yanked on the basis of horrid taste. Wait! Let me stop you before you even mention it...the Honda Element sucks too. Plus they're both foreign. Don't get me started.

meh...can't really fault the guy for wanting something reliable and fuel efficient (Matrix is basically a 5 door Corolla). I respect your nationalism, but the US is knee deep in a global economy now.
 

TheKub

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Doing things like not changing the coolant and brake fluid every two years, or not checking the tires every other week, or not checking the oil level between changes, or leaving the spark plugs in for 100,000+ miles instead of changing them every 30,000. Those kinds of things are hard on cars. Always have been, always will be.

Owners manual specifically says not to change spark plugs and coolant before 100,000.

 

Sukhoi

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Originally posted by: freakflag
At the risk of pissing you off and starting a flame war, if you buy a Toyota Matrix you should have your license yanked on the basis of horrid taste. Wait! Let me stop you before you even mention it...the Honda Element sucks too. Plus they're both foreign. Don't get me started.

You are aware that the Matrix is produced in Canada, right?
 

freakflag

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Originally posted by: mitaiwan82
Originally posted by: freakflag
At the risk of pissing you off and starting a flame war, if you buy a Toyota Matrix you should have your license yanked on the basis of horrid taste. Wait! Let me stop you before you even mention it...the Honda Element sucks too. Plus they're both foreign. Don't get me started.

meh...can't really fault the guy for wanting something reliable and fuel efficient (Matrix is basically a 5 door Corolla). I respect your nationalism, but the US is knee deep in a global economy now.



Yeah, I get ya. I also realize that most of these cars are built here in the states by American workers being paid top wages. However, the profits still leave the country and I just can't stand it when people assume because it's a Toyota that it's more reliable.
 

steveox

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The matrix isn't such a bad car =D 3 years and going strong with mine! Granted, the 03/04 look was a lot better than the 05+ look IMO
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Kristi2k
I am NOT rough on my brakes, I know how to drive a car. The CD-player just died, the temp control dials only work at full blast, windshield wipers work sporadically.

If the blower only works on full blast, you need to replace the resistor that controls it...it should be cheap, ~$20, and not too hard to do yourself.
 

brtspears2

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I'm glad I got rid of my Malibu when I did at 110k miles. Besides it eating brakes for no reason, mysterious loss coolant, random electrical problems with the ac and fans, not starting on hot days, theft system locking yourself out for 20 minutes, and the jerky transmission, it is exactly the car I knew America could build.
 

funboy6942

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Guessing car payment is what $300+ a month, ontop of that you have to have full coverage on it while you make payments

VS

Spending another $20K+, 5+ years of $300+ payments, and full coverage on another car that may give you more grief then just brakes, and having to buy a $200 after market stereo (one time).

VS

Keeping the car, buying a radio for it, the one time, putting brakes in it every now and then, which if they go out that often may want to see about doing the work yourself for it will only take about 1 hour of your time, and cost $40 to change the pads. Drop full coverage and pocket the savings, not have the $300 a month going out so you can pocket that for something else or let it build up in the bank, for when the car finally does die on you, say throw a rod, you may have saved up enough in the bank to buy the next car for cash, or damn close with a 1 year loan and $50 a month payment.

Why people are so gung ho about throwing money away astounds me. You have the 2 payments lets and your free, you own the car out right, no reason to throw it away because you need brakes now and again, all cars do, and since the stereo died this is a perfect time to get a much better one then what you had, and pocket all that money you were spending, and no need for full coverage any more. To think the car may die at anytime is stupid, I drive around in a 88 Lincoln Town car with over 130K miles and nothing wrong with it other then it leaks out 1/2 quart of ps fluid every 6 months.

If it were me, Id keep the car, if you couldnt tell. If you only problem is brakes and a broken radio, that nothing, you got a good car on your hands, you barely drive it, so as long as you keep the fluids changed when your supposed to it will go on for quite some time saving you a butt load of money in car payments and insurance costs. Unless you have all kinds of money to burn I know $300+++ would go pretty far every month, thats $3600+ a year you can keep ;) keep the car you have now for another 5 more years then with interest you can have $18,000+ in the bank, that would buy you a nice car without payment next time around ;)
Or one hell of a vacation, house down payment, emergency wad, etc.......you get my point.

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Originally posted by: Kristi2k
I am NOT rough on my brakes, I know how to drive a car. The CD-player just died, the temp control dials only work at full blast, windshield wipers work sporadically.

Having managed a few dealership service centers brakes go out, it may not be you, but they go out no matter what, really though, learn to do them yourself and upgrade to better brakes, most shops put on the cheapest crap they can buy, over charge you for the parts by as much as 50%, and then you wonder why your always changing them ;)
Its not hard to do at all, chances are you never needed new calipers, or rotors every, shops just love to bs people and make money on the sale. To change your pads its as simple as taking the front wheels off, removing the caliper thats held on with 2 bolds or alen screws, pop off the old pads, push in the caliper with a c-clamp, put the new pads on, put the caliper back on, then the tires done. You could get the rotors cut at that point if you want, most auto place will cut them for free if you buy the parts, or $10-$20 for the pair. Again pads are anywhere from $9.99-$80 depending on what you get. I get the $9 pads myself, never had any problems, ever, with them.

As for the wipers, its just a control modual, $100 around there, and I may be mistaken but there may be a recall on it, not entirely sure but for some reason that is sticking in my head as though I had it done to my old cutlass which is the same car. If not its just a modual.

The temp thing is either the fan switch or the ceramic resister that is under the hood near where the blower motor is at, inside the blower box. I could be wrong on that but last I remember gm was still either using the ceramic resister, or the 3-4 sping type looking unit that goes in the box to keep the unit cooled off. That is usually what goes first on the gm system for the blower switch, but since the blower works on high its not the blower itself but the switch or the resistor for the switch. $15 and 2 screws. If it is the switch then its $35 and 2 screws and the dash trim part should just pop off exposing the 2 screws to get at the switch.

And again, then your done. Id still keep the car. Fix the minor stuff and pocket the rest, in no way is repairs going to cost you a car payment every month on that car, yes every now and then, but a lot less then a new car would cost you. And I know for a fact that engine thats under the hood, and the trans is a excellent build and should last 150K+ if properly taken care of.
 

Kristi2k

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Hmm.... I think I should research and think more on this issue before I potentially buy a new car, just get the brakes fixed and worry about the rest later. You say the blower is easily fixed? I can have the mechanic check it out I suppose.

One thing that upset me is that Midas stated the brakes were fine 3 weeks ago... I even watched them take the wheel off and look inside.
 

psteng19

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Originally posted by: Kristi2k
I am NOT rough on my brakes, I know how to drive a car. The CD-player just died, the temp control dials only work at full blast, windshield wipers work sporadically.

HVAC not working except on full means the resistor module is dead.
$15 part, 2 minutes to replace.