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YACT: Stick Shift Drivers

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Originally posted by: spidey07
BD2003.

You're right...it all depends on the motor/tranny/car

The OP was "what do you start with in 1st"
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Ive never driven a manual that wasnt a i4, unfortunately.

Right now I'm driving a celica gts which is exactly as you describe - torqueless and have to rev then hell out of it (to 8500 rpm redline if Im feeling frisky).

Anything under 1500 rpm lugs the car. And the touchy clutch thats like a light switch an inch off the floor doesnt help either.

So in order for me to launch, I have to get it to 2000 rpm, which is just about the least I can physically blip the engine in neutral anyway since it revs so fast, and then keep the revs up as I let out the clutch. Since it engages so fast if I dont get it to 2000 rpm, Ill stall out pretty much immediately cause it drops like a rock as soon as I begin to let it out.

Id imagine in a v6 or v8 with a softer clutch you can get away with a lot less than 2000 at launch, but Ive personally never had a chance to find out for myself.

So if the OP were to tell us what car he actually has, we could probably be more informative.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
OP has a WRX.
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Id guess 2000 would be the absolute upper limit then, and 1500 rpm would be more like it.

In my own relatively uninformed opinion, Id say a few hundred rpms above where you can normally feel the engine lugging while driving around is about where you'd want to be.

Of course this is the point you want it when you begin to let out the clutch, assuming it will drop down a bit after you do so.

My clutch and engagement point is so touchy that half the time I just tap the throttle a few times until it hovers around 2000, then slowly let the clutch out till it starts moving, revs start dropping and then I bring the gas on.

I can usually do a lot better than that, but if its not absolutely perfectly synchronized I can feel the engines pain. I figure premature clutch wear is better than engine wear.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: NutBucket
OP has a WRX.
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Id guess 2000 would be the absolute upper limit then, and 1500 rpm would be more like it.

In my own relatively uninformed opinion, Id say a few hundred rpms above where you can normally feel the engine lugging while driving around is about where you'd want to be.

Of course this is the point you want it when you begin to let out the clutch, assuming it will drop down a bit after you do so.

My clutch and engagement point is so touchy that half the time I just tap the throttle a few times until it hovers around 2000, then slowly let the clutch out till it starts moving, revs start dropping and then I bring the gas on.

I can usually do a lot better than that, but if its not absolutely perfectly synchronized I can feel the engines pain. I figure premature clutch wear is better than engine wear.
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I try to keep it under 2k as much as possible. However, the car revs extremely fast, so if I try to compensate and put less throttle on, sometimes I give too little gas, and almost stall. Part of it is seating position too. I can't find a good seating position in my car for the life of me.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Say what? WRXs rev rather slow in stock form. I guess it depends on what you're used to driving.
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They have in the neighborhood of 227hp, IIRC. They're not that slow... not Honda Civic/Chevy Cavalier slow, anyway.
 
No, they rev slowly. I didn't say they were slow. There's a difference😉 My gf has an '05 and says she'll definitely get a light weight flywheel when the clutch dies.
 
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
How high do you usually rev when you just want to get going in first gear?
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I pull the clutch out until I feel the clutch grab and then I give it some gas and i'm off! so i don't give it much rev if any at all.
 
Originally posted by: Ronald McDonald
I have a 1987 Honda accord 5spd manual. I usually have to rev over 2000rpm. This car has little torque.
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On a hill maybe, but if you need that for a level start you suck at driving...

Just let the clutch out until it begins to grab and then feed in throttle smoothly as you simultaneously release the clutch. Should only need maybe, maybe 1,200 rpm. On my 95 hp 914 I can let the clutch out with the engine idling and the car will pull away just fine on level ground.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: laurenlex
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: laurenlex
A real driver can get the car going without giving the car any gas, just a proper release of the clutch while idling.
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It really depends on the car😉
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2005 Dodge Ram 2500 with Cummis Turbo Diesel 😀
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I hope you know those automatically give it enough gas for you to pull off the clutch without giving it gas.
 
Originally posted by: XabanakFanatik
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 with Cummis Turbo Diesel 😀
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I hope you know those automatically give it enough gas for you to pull off the clutch without giving it gas.[/quote] No, a diesel just has huge torque even at idle.

Besides, as I've said, on level ground I can let out the clutch at idle with my 914, and the 914 makes a blistering 95 hp. Can do it with the 951 too, and off boost it only makes about 150 hp.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
How high do you usually rev when you just want to get going in first gear?
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Typically I rev from 2000 to 3000 rpm. But merging on to busy highways, I rev the engine from 5000 to 6000 rpm.

I have an Acura RSX and the VTEC kicks in at the higher rpms and really accelerates the car.
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, its called on the gas and off the clutch at the same time so it don't stall. I don't rev up before lifting off the clutch.
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Yeah, peeling out is just a good way to:
A. Screw up your tires
B. To get off to a slow uncontrolled start

Nutbuckets way is the way to show that you have some inkling of knowledge.

If you mean how far do i let the engine rev when im moving.

In my car ('92 truck) ill typically shift ~3300RPM at every gear when just cruising. When i am going for max acceleration, i normally let it rev to ~4900 (Never gone over 5 Grand) (5500-8000 is redline).

Also keep in mind though, it is different for every car and every transmission.

-Kevin
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If you're going for max acceleration you shift at redline...or sometimes even just before the rev limiter if you know your engine's good for it.

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Ronald McDonald
I have a 1987 Honda accord 5spd manual. I usually have to rev over 2000rpm. This car has little torque.
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On a hill maybe, but if you need that for a level start you suck at driving...

Just let the clutch out until it begins to grab and then feed in throttle smoothly as you simultaneously release the clutch. Should only need maybe, maybe 1,200 rpm. On my 95 hp 914 I can let the clutch out with the engine idling and the car will pull away just fine on level ground.

ZV
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Yeah, it's all about how fast you let out the clutch. Though, frankly, letting out the clutch slow enough to start a 4-banger from idle, without giving it any gas, is just a waste of time IMHO 😉 Easier on the car than holding it at two grand and then dumping the clutch, though, and smoother on the passengers too.
 
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
How high do you usually rev when you just want to get going in first gear?
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Typically I rev from 2000 to 3000 rpm. But merging on to busy highways, I rev the engine from 5000 to 6000 rpm.

I have an Acura RSX and the VTEC kicks in at the higher rpms and really accelerates the car.
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Yo! Wait for the VTEC to kick in!!!!!!!!!!

really wish we could post pictures here.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
How high do you usually rev when you just want to get going in first gear?
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Typically I rev from 2000 to 3000 rpm. But merging on to busy highways, I rev the engine from 5000 to 6000 rpm.

I have an Acura RSX and the VTEC kicks in at the higher rpms and really accelerates the car.
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Yo! Wait for the VTEC to kick in!!!!!!!!!!

really wish we could post pictures here.
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Spidey, you drive a WRX right? Let me know if you end up making some vids, please. I'm always looking to improve my technique.
 
Just let the clutch out until it begins to grab and then feed in throttle smoothly as you simultaneously release the clutch. Should only need maybe, maybe 1,200 rpm. On my 95 hp 914 I can let the clutch out with the engine idling and the car will pull away just fine on level ground.
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Whether or not you can actually pull this off consistently has as much to do with the clutch as it does the engine. If I were to try what you suggested, Id get maybe an inch before Id stall out. Id have to basically keep pumping the clutch to keep it near idle, which I think even you would agree is retarded.

Besides, if at ANY speed, in ANY gear, I can feel the engine shuddering when I try to accelerate below 1500rpm, how could it possibly be a good idea to launch at 1000?

Yeah, it's all about how fast you let out the clutch. Though, frankly, letting out the clutch slow enough to start a 4-banger from idle, without giving it any gas, is just a waste of time IMHO 😉 Easier on the car than holding it at two grand and then dumping the clutch, though, and smoother on the passengers too.
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I don't think anyone has suggested holding 2000 and dumping the clutch here.

Actually, its a pretty retarded thread on the whole, every car is different, and everyone here either thinks they are the only person in the world who knows how to drive all cars and is ready to jump on anyone who doesnt do it exactly as they do, or they have no idea wtf they are talking about and are trying to get their stabs in where they can.

 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Say what? WRXs rev rather slow in stock form. I guess it depends on what you're used to driving.
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They have in the neighborhood of 227hp, IIRC. They're not that slow... not Honda Civic/Chevy Cavalier slow, anyway.
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They just rev slow.. My friend has a 2002. in stock form it took forever for the thing to build engine speed.
 
Tard. What engine is it? Diesel? Regular hatchback straight 4? Ferrari v8? Depends on the freaking engine and your driving style. Are you racing? Going about town? Tring to drive as economically as possible? How many gears does your car have? Is it a racing box?

First gear usually is extra low just in case you hit some unfeasibly lage hill and need to do a hill start. It's a gear just to get the car rolling.... in 99% of normal conditions, you can just go halfway in the rev band to get things rolling, then pop it into second where you can actually pull a bit of speed.
 
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