YACT: POLL: 240sx vs Prelude

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Unmodded I would take the prelude. If you do an engine swap I'd take the 240sx.

:Q

You TRAITOR!!

You are now banished to VTEC land!

Get ready to add "yo" to the end of all your sentences.

Well, it's unfortunate but the 240sx is a dog with the stock motor. It's a nice platform, and RWD, but so little horsey-power! that's why a nice motor upgrade and you're set 😀

have you ever driven one?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Unmodded I would take the prelude. If you do an engine swap I'd take the 240sx.

:Q

You TRAITOR!!

You are now banished to VTEC land!

Get ready to add "yo" to the end of all your sentences.

Well, it's unfortunate but the 240sx is a dog with the stock motor. It's a nice platform, and RWD, but so little horsey-power! that's why a nice motor upgrade and you're set 😀

have you ever driven one?

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well, it's unfortunate but the 240sx is a dog with the stock motor. It's a nice platform, and RWD, but so little horsey-power! that's why a nice motor upgrade and you're set 😀

have you ever driven one?

Have you mAdD? I'm siding with Skoorb, and I've driven one. It's a truckmotor.

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well, it's unfortunate but the 240sx is a dog with the stock motor. It's a nice platform, and RWD, but so little horsey-power! that's why a nice motor upgrade and you're set 😀

have you ever driven one?

Have you mAdD? I'm siding with Skoorb, and I've driven one. It's a truckmotor.

No, it's not a truck motor.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well, it's unfortunate but the 240sx is a dog with the stock motor. It's a nice platform, and RWD, but so little horsey-power! that's why a nice motor upgrade and you're set 😀

have you ever driven one?

Have you mAdD? I'm siding with Skoorb, and I've driven one. It's a truckmotor.

Yes I have...for over a year. Till my dad totalled it in the winter.

Pictures of mine.

The motor is rough, but it has enough power in the low-mid range to have fun. Sure it lacks in high-end, but it makes up for it in the lower revs. And it just sounds mean in 2nd gear when your going WOT. In the city streets, it was more than enough fun, especially with the gearing of the first two gears.

I summarize the 240SX like this: slow enough to keep you out of trouble but fast enough to have fun.

You can take that how you will.

Btw, I love the Prelude with its lovely motor, but I'd prefer the 240SX.

EDIT:
I should add that the KA24DE (the motor in the 91+ 240SX) is a very stout motor, even stronger than the fabled SR20DET. Its an iron block that can handle over 400rwhp on stock internals. The fastest street-driven 240SX in the US is a KA24DE-T (well it was two years ago..dunno now).

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: atom
No, it's not a truck motor.

IIRC it's the exact same engine appeared in a nissan truck except SOHC. KA24DE in the 240sx, and KA24E in the pickup.
I mean look at the dyno chart for it: http://www.datsuns.com/Tech/stock98-240sxdyno.jpg
good torque, bad hp curve.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
EDIT:
I should add that the KA24DE (the motor in the 91+ 240SX) is a very stout motor, even stronger than the fabled SR20DET. Its an iron block that can handle over 400rwhp on stock internals. The fastest street-driven 240SX in the US is a KA24DE-T (well it was two years ago..dunno now).

It is stronger internally but it's much easier to swap in a SR20DET than to turbo a KA24DE. Hence my first post, get the 240sx and swap the engine. The stock engine is no fun at all.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
EDIT:
I should add that the KA24DE (the motor in the 91+ 240SX) is a very stout motor, even stronger than the fabled SR20DET. Its an iron block that can handle over 400rwhp on stock internals. The fastest street-driven 240SX in the US is a KA24DE-T (well it was two years ago..dunno now).

It is stronger internally but it's much easier to swap in a SR20DET than to turbo a KA24DE. Hence my first post, get the 240sx and swap the engine. The stock engine is no fun at all.

I'm arguing that the stock engine is no fun at all.

It IS fun. Of course if your only used to B16-type engines then ya...you'll probably get bored. But if your used to torquey motors, its quite fun.

Its actually not that hard to put in a turbo kit in a KA24DE. And it comes out cheaper too (well depending where you get the SR from). I'm not denying the SR isn't fun...but the KA is fun too.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

I'm arguing that the stock engine is no fun at all.

It IS fun. Of course if your only used to B16-type engines then ya...you'll probably get bored. But if your used to torquey motors, its quite fun.

Its actually not that hard to put in a turbo kit in a KA24DE. And it comes out cheaper too (well depending where you get the SR from). I'm not denying the SR isn't fun...but the KA is fun too.

It's not fun for me, it just stops pulling after the mid-range. You don't get that surge of power, no sense of "wow I'm going fast".

You don't think it's hard to turbo a KA24DE? My friend who's been through blew his KA24DE. First time a Nissan shop did the work. Replaced the engine. Second time he did the work himself, took it out within a few months, and trust me he knews what he was doing.

An engine swap is just a much nicer solution if you're not aiming to hit 11's at the drag.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: boyRacer
Gregshin has a 240 with an SR20DET swap... he gets around the smog thing... ahem... 😉 But he's in California... i don't know how it is in Florida. Its a nice car for sure... you'll probably even have more fun with it since its RWD. 🙂

Don't fool yourself. Some cops can't tell the difference but an SR20 looks a lot different then a KA24. Its much easier for a cop to see a B16, B18 or H22 where it doesn't belong and not think twice. And ya know, we do have the toughest smog laws in the country. That said, still gotta work on getting mine legal.

I'd still stick with the 'lude. Right now you're paying for the 2F2F crowd (ie overpaying) for the 240. Preludes fly low on the radar of most all ricers😉

 

[Ns1]

prelude is better stock

240 is better modded

however, 240 is the new bandwagon car. everybody's a dorifto ricer now

also, iono how it is in your neck of the woods, but in SoCal a late model 240 in stick is nearly impossible to come by (not saying can't be found, just difficult)

 

[SSibalNom]

i'd get a 240, my friend has one w/ the 2.0L imported nissan turbo engine he swapped, too bad he got caught with it, and in CA it's illegal..... but if your not in CA that is the thing to get, does mid 12's... the engine swap costed $4k, but even if you don't do that, theres just so many mods out there for a 240 you wont get bored

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: SSibalNom
i'd get a 240, my friend has one w/ the 2.0L imported nissan turbo engine he swapped, too bad he got caught with it, and in CA it's illegal..... but if your not in CA that is the thing to get, does mid 12's... the engine swap costed $4k, but even if you don't do that, theres just so many mods out there for a 240 you wont get bored

Don't make it seem like the aftermarket for the H22 isn't big either😉

 

[Lifer]

Originally posted by: SSibalNom
i'd get a 240, my friend has one w/ the 2.0L imported nissan turbo engine he swapped, too bad he got caught with it, and in CA it's illegal..... but if your not in CA that is the thing to get, does mid 12's... the engine swap costed $4k, but even if you don't do that, theres just so many mods out there for a 240 you wont get bored

isn't illegal across the 50 states? no just cali?

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: atom
No, it's not a truck motor.

IIRC it's the exact same engine appeared in a nissan truck except SOHC. KA24DE in the 240sx, and KA24E in the pickup.
I mean look at the dyno chart for it: http://www.datsuns.com/Tech/stock98-240sxdyno.jpg
good torque, bad hp curve.

Well, I'm not saying it couldn't use a little more HP, but I could say that about a lot of cars. With a few minor mods I would take a 240 over a Lude any day. And the KA first came in the Nissan Stanza, then it was in the Nissan hardbody, so it's not a "truck engine".

You don't think it's hard to turbo a KA24DE? My friend who's been through blew his KA24DE. First time a Nissan shop did the work. Replaced the engine. Second time he did the work himself, took it out within a few months, and trust me he knews what he was doing.

Don't know what to say except people have been boosting daily driven, stock internal KA's to 300+ whp for years now.

 

[CombatChuk]

With the 2.4l engine your gonna find that the 240sx has more usable torque down low. VTEC is nice since it gets the most power out of the smallest engine. But you have to get the engine above 6,000 rpms to get most power

 

[Mani]

240sx, but make sure you utilize its aftermarket. Once you have regularly driven a RWD car, you will never want to go back.

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: erikiksaz
I say it depends, if both cars will remain stock, i would think the Prelude is better off the bat.

BUTTT, if you ever plan to "rice" it out... 😀 you cannot beat these.

pic 1
pic 2
from the front
...from behind.

Don't care what ya'll say, they're damn sexy!! :heart:

you see that nice shiny fmic...? that's not rice...

btw, i vote 240. it's right wheel drive, looks better, and yeah, if i wasn't a rotary guy, i'd roll in a 240 😉

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Inspired by the positive feedback of my other thread. I decided to ask a few more questions. Sorry 🙂, but if I want to make a $10k investment in a car, I might as well get the best I possibly can. I just really have no car driving experience outside of my own car (A Saturn). So, I'd like to hear advice from more experienced car drivers. Thanks!

So, in school today, I was thinking about how I'd like to have RWD in a car. It was too unforunate the Prelude is FWD. Then I thought about a 240sx, and wondered what you guys thought about it. I researched a little, and its in the same price range, and the 1997s and 1998s look super sweet. I like to go autocrossing, and I'd like to have it as a hobby. Despite the lower power, I believe the potential is probally better in a 240sx than a Prelude, because of RWD. Both cars look nice to me though, and I'd probally be happy with either.

So, do you think RWD is worth the power loss?

240SX

Pros:
RWD
Tons of mods + engine swaps available
A little lighter

Cons:
Low Base Power
Lower Redline

Prelude:

Pros:
More Power
Higher Redline
Perhaps more fun to drive(?)
VTEC

Cons:
FWD
A bit heavier

You are the posterchild ricer.

 

[nrgonline]

I dont see anything rice about this thread or his OP 😛

Those Works S1C are SWEET!! But i would go with SSR SP1 Professor 😎

Anyways, i would go with 240sx any day. My honda days are over.. Once my DC4 beater got jacked, it was over!
The prelude is more pron for gettin stolen then the 240sx.
240sx + sr20 = Fun Times! Then add the BPU and boost controller, and you'll be hitting low 13sec all day. Or get the imfamous HKS GT2540r 😉
Leg room for both cars are the same. RWD just feels better.

Good Luck

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: nrgonline
I dont see anything rice about this thread or his OP 😛

Those Works S1C are SWEET!! But i would go with SSR SP1 Professor 😎

Anyways, i would go with 240sx any day. My honda days are over.. Once my DC4 beater got jacked, it was over!
The prelude is more pron for gettin stolen then the 240sx.
240sx + sr20 = Fun Times! Then add the BPU and boost controller, and you'll be hitting low 13sec all day. Or get the imfamous HKS GT2540r 😉
Leg room for both cars are the same. RWD just feels better.

Good Luck

Case and point.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: nrgonline
I dont see anything rice about this thread or his OP 😛

Those Works S1C are SWEET!! But i would go with SSR SP1 Professor 😎

Anyways, i would go with 240sx any day. My honda days are over.. Once my DC4 beater got jacked, it was over!
The prelude is more pron for gettin stolen then the 240sx.
240sx + sr20 = Fun Times! Then add the BPU and boost controller, and you'll be hitting low 13sec all day. Or get the imfamous HKS GT2540r 😉
Leg room for both cars are the same. RWD just feels better.

Good Luck

How is the Prelude more prone to getting stolen?

The last gen model had a digital engine immobilizer key. The only way to steal it would be to tow it away.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: nrgonline
I dont see anything rice about this thread or his OP 😛

Those Works S1C are SWEET!! But i would go with SSR SP1 Professor 😎

Anyways, i would go with 240sx any day. My honda days are over.. Once my DC4 beater got jacked, it was over!
The prelude is more pron for gettin stolen then the 240sx.
240sx + sr20 = Fun Times! Then add the BPU and boost controller, and you'll be hitting low 13sec all day. Or get the imfamous HKS GT2540r 😉
Leg room for both cars are the same. RWD just feels better.

Good Luck

How is the Prelude more prone to getting stolen?

The last gen model had a digital engine immobilizer key. The only way to steal it would be to tow it away.

negative

on a percentage basis the prelude is one of the most stolen cars in america




ANYWAY, this whole thread is another bandwagon thread (there are lots of others on many message boards just like this one)

everybody and their mom talks about how they're gonna get a 240 and do an sr20 swap (hell my 16 year old coworker bought one) but very few actually do.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsisANYWAY, this whole thread is another bandwagon thread (there are lots of others on many message boards just like this one)

everybody and their mom talks about how they're gonna get a 240 and do an sr20 swap (hell my 16 year old coworker bought one) but very few actually do.

Oh how true. That's why I never bothered posting anything until after I bought my H22😛😉

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: SSibalNom
i'd get a 240, my friend has one w/ the 2.0L imported nissan turbo engine he swapped, too bad he got caught with it, and in CA it's illegal..... but if your not in CA that is the thing to get, does mid 12's... the engine swap costed $4k, but even if you don't do that, theres just so many mods out there for a 240 you wont get bored

Yeah, it will do 12s with a lot of $$ dumped into it (fmic, mbc, complete ignition system, injectors, wider rims & tires for the rear)

A stock SR20DET is a good motor, but its not fast. They'll hit consistant high 13s (13.8-9) with the right driver. Otherwise, you won't be hitting 12s on a stock turbo. The first thing most people replace on the motor is the T28/25 (depending on which motor you get) for something a bit bigger. Turbos aren't cheap.