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YACT: How do you revive an engine

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Say you have a car that has 200,000 miles on it. What would you do to the engine to overhaul it to make it "good as almost new"?
 
hmmm... if you wanted to do the whole route it would invlove removing, checking tolerences and replacing anything out of spec. But to do that right you generaly have to remove the motor from the car and take it apart.
A true mechanic could probably give you a better idea of whats involved
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CrackRabbit
 
tear it down, rebuilt it with new bearings, gaskets, and seals. Check all the tolerances, maybe replace some stuff that looks worn, then put it back together (making sure you torque everything correctly). Then change your plugs+wires, bleed the brakes, flush the cooling system, change the oil, and see how she runs.
 
Don't forget overboring the cylinders, replacing the pistons and rings. New head and main bolds/studs, and new gaskets. (In addition to everything everyone else has mentioned.)
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Don't forget overboring the cylinders, replacing the pistons and rings. New head and main bolds/studs, and new gaskets. (In addition to everything everyone else has mentioned.)

Good as new, not better than new 😉
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Don't forget overboring the cylinders, replacing the pistons and rings. New head and main bolds/studs, and new gaskets. (In addition to everything everyone else has mentioned.)
No reason for a completely new head. Just have to overhaul the valvetrain. But maybe thats what you mean.

You basically check every friction surface within the engine for wear, and remachine/replace as necessary.

Cylinders are overbored, new pistons/rings are fitted. Valves and valve seats are refinished and new valve guides installed.

New main bearings. New connecting rods/bearings. Crankshaft is checked for excessive wear. Cam bearings replaced, cam checked for wear. New seals, gaskets, etc...
 
Pull it out of the car, drop it off at the machine shop, pick it up in a week or two completely rebuilt. Unless of course, you have the machinery to machine cylinder heads, bore out an engine block, etc...
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Pull it out of the car, drop it off at the machine shop, pick it up in a week or two completely rebuilt. Unless of course, you have the machinery to machine cylinder heads, bore out an engine block, etc...
How much does this cost?
 
I'd just give it a tune up if it hasn't had one in a while. Just about any engine made in the last 20 years isn't that bad off with 200k if its had even the slightest maintenance over the years. If its not burning a quart of oil every 100 miles it doesn't need rebuilt 🙂.
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: notfred
Pull it out of the car, drop it off at the machine shop, pick it up in a week or two completely rebuilt. Unless of course, you have the machinery to machine cylinder heads, bore out an engine block, etc...
How much does this cost?
It totally depends on the specific engine being rebuilt and the shop it's being rebuilt at.

800 - 2500$+
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: notfred
Pull it out of the car, drop it off at the machine shop, pick it up in a week or two completely rebuilt. Unless of course, you have the machinery to machine cylinder heads, bore out an engine block, etc...
How much does this cost?
It totally depends on the specific engine being rebuilt and the shop it's being rebuilt at.

800 - 2500$+
So an engine swap is not necessarily NOT cost effective?
 
So an engine swap is not necessarily NOT cost effective?

Depends on your specific situation... how much $$ required to bring your 200k up to speed and how much $$ to swap in a rebuilt.
 
Originally posted by: Red
So an engine swap is not necessarily NOT cost effective?

Depends on your specific situation... how much $$ required to bring your 200k up to speed and how much $$ to swap in a rebuilt.
never would have though about it that way...
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: notfred
Pull it out of the car, drop it off at the machine shop, pick it up in a week or two completely rebuilt. Unless of course, you have the machinery to machine cylinder heads, bore out an engine block, etc...
How much does this cost?
It totally depends on the specific engine being rebuilt and the shop it's being rebuilt at.

800 - 2500$+
So an engine swap is not necessarily NOT cost effective?
Depending on how much the engine you'll be swapping in costs you, it could wind up being less than a rebuild, sure.

I'd say it's generally about the same, though.. give or take a couple grand. 😉 lol.....

It's hard to be very specific.
 
I am throwing around the idea of buying a crappy old civic and either doing a rebuild and turbo or an H22 swap... Might have to settle for the 200HP NA option...
 
Engine is stripped down paying close attention to wear patterns, head and block are degreased and baked, crankshaft is ground under size and micro polished, cylinder head receives new camshaft and lifters, new rocker arms, new valve guides, new valves and springs, seats are ground and valve stem height is set, gasket surface is decked.

Block is over bored and honed, crankshaft centerline is checked and bored and honed if necessary, deck height is checked and machined if necessary, oil galleys are cl;eaned and flushed out, new freeze out plugs are installed, new caps are installed in the oil galleys.

Connecting rods are cut on the big end and honed back to size, they are checked for twist and offset then balanced to within 1 gram, pistons are balanced to 1 gram.

New main bearings are installed and bearing clearances checked, crank is installed nd main bearing caps are torqued, con rod bearing clearances checked, pistons are installed on their respective con rods.

Piston rings are file fitted to their respective cylinder bores, rings/pistons and con rods are installed, con rod nuts/bolts torqued to spec, assembly is rotated to check for binding.

New oil pump is installed, oil pan is installed (all new gaskets throughout the engine), engine is turned upright on engine stand, cylinder head(s) are installed and torqued to specs, new timing belt with new tensioner is installed, engine is primed with oil, engine is turned over by hand to check for binding, valves clearance is set, valve cover is installed.

This is only a very basic explanation 😉

By the way, it is called engine rebuilding.
 
Thanks for the detailed explanation Roger. How many days does that take you for a 4 cylinder engine?
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Don't forget overboring the cylinders, replacing the pistons and rings. New head and main bolds/studs, and new gaskets. (In addition to everything everyone else has mentioned.)
No reason for a completely new head. Just have to overhaul the valvetrain. But maybe thats what you mean.
I think he just meant new head bolts/studs.
 
A typical Honda engine requires two days if the machine shop has all the required machine tools.
Most of this time is hot tanking/baking the parts, actual assembly requires about 4 hours of work for an experienced assembler.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Well since your Contour has a 6 cyli, I'm curious. Do you have another car your looking to do this on?
Well, I have gotten bitten by the mod/power bug. Modifying my engine would either involve getting a $5000 turbo kit or doing a 3.0L engine swap to see any big gains in power. From a cost perspective, I was thinking it might be feasible and enjoyable to buy an old high mile civic and either swap in a 200HP H22 motor or rebuild the stock engine and add a turbo. This path has become my current focus of interest as I think the selection of components alone would bring me a lot of enjoyment.
 
Ahh I see. Yeah, I got shut down by a Civic hatchback in my Contour a couple weeks ago. I think he did the same thing since the stock Civic hatchbacks only push around 110hp. Prolly dropped an Si motor in it or something. BAH! It still sounded like crap with it's fart can muffler though. Gotta love that 6 cylinder growl.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Ahh I see. Yeah, I got shut down by a Civic hatchback in my Contour a couple weeks ago. I think he did the same thing since the stock Civic hatchbacks only push around 110hp. Prolly dropped an Si motor in it or something. BAH! It still sounded like crap with it's fart can muffler though. Gotta love that 6 cylinder growl.
yeah, I would/will have a hard time going from the SVT exhaust note to a 4-banger....
 
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