YACT: GTO review and new TL shatters sales record!

[mAdD INDIAN]

TL Shatters Record! 6000+ units in one month!

AutoWeek reviews the GTO

Pics of GTO

GM Already has performance parts for GTO boosting power to 400hp and more..

 

[NFS4]

GTO review has already been posted

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

with the pics I linked?

oh well, atleast the TL info is new...i hope.

 

[SuperTool]

Considering the new TL looks like a Pontiac, it's only appropriate that they share the same thread 😉

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Considering the new TL looks like a Pontiac, it's only appropriate that they share the same thread 😉

LOL. The little "Acura" engraved into the front bumper is so damn ghetto and Pontiac-ish that I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one 😀

But I think it looks more like a Dodge Stratus...

 

[Justorq]

so you guys don't like the look of the new TL?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Justorq
so you guys don't like the look of the new TL?

It looks better than the ES330, but that ain't saying much. I think it looks too pudgy and derivitive. Gimme a G35.

 

[SuperTool]

Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

 

[ElFenix]

Man, that old goat looked good.

hahaha

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

Well, to me, performance isn't everything. And if I don't respect the looks of the car, a few tenths 0-60 or through the 1/4 mile means nothing to me on my 10 mile daily commute 😛

 

[wicktron]

2004 Acura TL is pure ownage. Car is beautiful, powerful, refined, sleek, and (running out of adjectives).

 

[RedRooster]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

Well, to me, performance isn't everything. And if I don't respect the looks of the car, a few tenths 0-60 or through the 1/4 mile means nothing to me on my 10 mile daily commute 😛

Dude, you drive a Camry. 😕 😀

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RedRooster

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

Well, to me, performance isn't everything. And if I don't respect the looks of the car, a few tenths 0-60 or through the 1/4 mile means nothing to me on my 10 mile daily commute 😛

Dude, you drive a Camry. 😕 😀

But a Camry isn't a balls out performance machine either and it doesn't aim to be.

Now a GTO is supposed to be a honkin' mother of a beast (at least IMHO). And what you get in return is a car that looks about as tame as a Camry SE V6. "IF" I were in the market for a $33,000 sporty car, I'd have to go visit Infiniti or Nissan instead.

 

[RedRooster]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: RedRooster

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

Well, to me, performance isn't everything. And if I don't respect the looks of the car, a few tenths 0-60 or through the 1/4 mile means nothing to me on my 10 mile daily commute 😛

Dude, you drive a Camry. 😕 😀

But a Camry isn't a balls out performance machine either and it doesn't aim to be.

Now a GTO is supposed to be a honkin' mother of a beast (at least IMHO). And what you get in return is a car that looks about as tame as a Camry SE V6. "IF" I were in the market for a $33,000 sporty car, I'd have to go visit Infiniti or Nissan instead.

Hehe, I was going more for the "respecting the looks" part. All in good fun. 😀
What do I know though?! I drive a rust wagon in the winter and a motorcycle in the summer, so I probably know the least about sportier cars out of everyone. 🙁

 

[WinkOsmosis]

The funny thing about the GTO is everyone was saying that they hoped Pontiac wouldn't make the GTO ugly. Well, the GTO has been left the same as the Monaro except for minor changes, and everyone calls it bland. What the hell?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
The funny thing about the GTO is everyone was saying that they hoped Pontiac wouldn't make the GTO ugly. Well, the GTO has been left the same as the Monaro except for minor changes, and everyone calls it bland. What the hell?

Look at the Pontiac Solstice. That shows that GM/Pontiac can make, clean, original designs with some flair. The GTO has bland Japanese style written all over it.

Hell, if this car were to drop from the sky right now w/o any badges on and we didn't know anything about the Holden Monaro before hand, you'd all be calling it another boring Toyota/Honda coupe.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
The funny thing about the GTO is everyone was saying that they hoped Pontiac wouldn't make the GTO ugly. Well, the GTO has been left the same as the Monaro except for minor changes, and everyone calls it bland. What the hell?

Look at the Pontiac Solstice. That shows that GM/Pontiac can make, clean, original designs with some flair. The GTO has bland Japanese style written all over it.

Hell, if this car were to drop from the sky right now w/o any badges on and we didn't know anything about the Holden Monaro before hand, you'd all be calling it another boring Toyota/Honda coupe.

I would like it, because it looks good.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Actually, with the GTO selling at 33K, I fail to see a need for a TL, which is inferior in almost every way.

Well, one is a sedan...one is a coupe.
One is FWD, one is RWD

Not even close to being competitors...that being said, I'd take a G35 Coupe or 350Z over the new GTO. The GTO may be fast, but it makes me yawn when I look at it...not something you'd like to say about a performance car.

I think with cars like these, the reputation precedes the looks. So even if by itself it doesn't look fast, you begin to associate the look with fastness. It's like the Grand National. It may look like a boring POS Buick, but when you see one on the street, you know what's really going on 😀

Which is probably why I don't particularly care for the GN😉

Important thing to remember is everytime Pontiac tries to do aggressive styling they overdo it and it ends up looking retarded. I think they were absolutely right to recognize their weakness and not fix what isn't broken. Also, the holden Monaro is a fine race bred sports coupe. I would certainly like to see a G35coupe and a GTO duke it out on the racecourse. The GTO would 0wn the G35c, even if the G35c looks better. I like the G35c, but at 33K, GTO would be an easy decision.

Well, to me, performance isn't everything. And if I don't respect the looks of the car, a few tenths 0-60 or through the 1/4 mile means nothing to me on my 10 mile daily commute 😛

that's assuming you only use the GTO for the commute.

Which brings me to my next point, cars like GTO and TL cater to different audiences. The TL is for people who just want a luxury car thats laden with features.

GTO is for enthusaists.

You can be damn sure that if I had a GTO I'd be taking it to MOSPORT, Shannonville, and other road courses in the area. As well as hitting the drag strip every now and then. And I'd use it as a daily driver. Well I'd wait till GM released the AWD GTO (and it will come).

I know I'd take a GTO over a G35C any day of the week. I love its subtle styling. Very clean and very subdued. And if I wanted a nice luxury-only car, I'd go for the TL. I think its nice looking. And its filled with features such as sonar sensing climate control (i still can't get over that!). Actually, for a sedan, Id go G35. But TL offers a lot of value for the $$ too, which is what the Acura nameplate is all about...value.

 

[Mani]

How does the Monaro/GTO handle?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Mani
How does the Monaro/GTO handle?

edited cause I had no facts to back up my claim of the GTO being a better handling (or equal to) the G35/350Z.

But it does kick ass in the Aussie V8 Supercar challenge (all road courses).

I do remember watching a race on Speed where it competed against the Skyline GTR (and did well).

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

GM Already has performance parts for GTO boosting power to 400hp and more..