YACT: Finally getting a "new" car, help me haggle and decide!

EvilYoda

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So, after years of indecision and driving a family car, I've decided to get a "new" car. The quotes indicate that the car might be a new buy/lease or a used car. The leased car will be chosen dependant on lease rate and the used car upon total price, obviously. I realize that at my age (22), I should do the logical thing and buy a reliable used car...but I'm a greedy little bastard who's had a relatively good life and of course, I don't expect any excessive hardships to pop up in the near future. Here are my questions and concerns, before I give you a list of what I'm looking at.

If I go to a dealership looking at new cars, are there any costs that dealers can "toss in"? Other than flat out haggling, are there any tools at my disposal?

For a used car, I'll get it fully inspected and get a background check on it...it might even be off a dealer's lot, hopefully getting me a basic warranty.

The car must be "small" and have good performance w/o sacrificing personal comfort. By small, I mean not a full-sized sedan and smaller than the SUVs I've driven for the last 5 years...not too difficult. I'm looking for something that has a good amount of power in it, supplying me with a fun ride every time I get in the car. Insurance also cannot be insanely high, so please point out if any of my choices will be excessively expensive to insure. Here are what I have at the top of my list right now:

New:
Saab 9-3 Linear Sport Sedan - I was just at the dealer today and they have a great 2-year lease program going right now. I have the opportunity to test drive it for 24 hours, which I will do. It's not the most powerful car, but the amenities are much nicer than most, and 175 isn't horrible. With no haggling, GMS discount and incentives, plus $2000 down, an out-the-door price of $221 a month was found, including destination, charges, title, plate transfer and tax. This is really tempting, so tell me why you like or don't like the car.

Mazda 3 - Small, sporty, cheap w/o any employee discounts. I love the look, but it's not too powerful.

Scion tC - Same as the 3 pretty much, but I'd look at the TRD SCed version, giving it a good amount of power.

Used:
Honda Prelude 97+ - One of my favorite cars of all time...ex's mom had an auto 97, which was really fun to drive. I love the look, and it's a Honda so reliability shouldn't be an issue assuming I get it properly tuned up and checked out. Gas will be expensive, and insurance as well though.

Audi A4 97+ - Also a great look to it, with a load of them on the market, so availability is high. 2.8 or 1.8T with ECU upgrade and engine/suspension mods, it's a great drivers car. Many come with leather and whatnot, making personal comforts very nice. Same costs as Prelude.

Acura Integra, late model - Same thing again, with huge aftermarket choices. expensive to insure, high likeliness of being stolen. Not as unique as Prelude, which I would prefer over the Teg.

Honda Accord V6 coupe - The sensible choice, with a decent performance. Cheap to insure, great reliability, millions to choose from.

Cliff Notes:
Want to buy/lease used/new car, give suggestions and reviews.


Just finished the post...sorry about the length. Must be the longest thing I've written here. :(
 

EvilYoda

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Yeah, I've read around on preludeonline long enough to know what to look for and what not to get...but the problem with a Lude is supply...there aren't many sellers around here. Maybe a friend who's a manager at a dealership can get his buyer to find one...
 

Freejack2

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Naah buy a huge old muscle car and restore it, put in some insane tractor trailer engine and supercharge/turbocharge it. You'll only get like 3mpg but you'll probably hit top speeds well over 200mph. :p
 

CPA

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leasing a car should not be dependant on lease rate. You need to consider securty deposits, down payment, termination fees, mileage fees, residual value, term of the lease and the money factor (interest rate).

With today's low interest rates, leasing is generally not a good option for a new car.
 

EvilYoda

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lol...around Detroit, it wouldn't be too hard to find a nice classic to restore, especially with some afficianado friends...but I need something that's at least 20MPG that won't need working on every weekend. It'll be a learner car, but while I drive it. ;)
 

EvilYoda

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Originally posted by: CPA
leasing a car should not be dependant on lease rate. You need to consider securty deposits, down payment, termination fees, mileage fees, residual value, term of the lease and the money factor (interest rate).

With today's low interest rates, leasing is generally not a good option for a new car.

well...yeah. I just thought I'd simplify it, seeing as how the post was long enough already. My family hasn't bought a car in over 10 years, and I've helped with the last few, so I guess I'm used to what else is incorporated into a leased car. mileage won't be an issue, as there won't be any road trips or anything done in the car...nothing huge at least. Maybe Detroit->Chicago/Toronto once or twice.
 

Vette73

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Why not BUY the saab? You should be able to get all the dicounts AND a very low % right now.
 

CrackRabbit

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I would go with the Prelude or buy a Tc (when it comes out) or 3.
ElFenix is right leasing is for suckers.
As for why I wouldnt chose the others.... Audi = VW, VW = Teh SUCK. Accord V-6s have known transmission problems but are otherwise nice cars, google it to find out. Integra's are excelent mechanicaly and look great, but are a major target for thieves since the motor is a drop in replacement for some rice boys Civic. To whatever your choose, good luck.


CrackRabbit
 

cchen

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I would go for one of the used cars on your list. The car would be cheaper, and probably very reliable. I like the looks of the Prelude, Integra, or A4. They are all solid cars.
 

Nanotech

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Out of the choices you provided I would definately focus more on the:

Audi A4 97+ - Also a great look to it, with a load of them on the market, so availability is high. 2.8 or 1.8T with ECU upgrade and engine/suspension mods, it's a great drivers car. Many come with leather and whatnot, making personal comforts very nice. Same costs as Prelude.

You could probably find some useful information on that particular year by reading through
Edmunds - Town Hall or Audi World

Enjoy!

Edit: Audi does not equal VW. In short, VW lacks the quality of components that Audi uses as well as the comfort that an Audi provides but the list could go on and on.
 

Mr N8

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The A4 is a great idea. I wish I was still babysitting my buddies A4, but I'm more happy that he made it back from Iraq. Make sure you get the 5 speed, since its so much fun. Its not as tight as the Saab 9-3's manual, but it tends to have less quirky problems.
 

m2kewl

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prelude, integra, accord, a4 in that order.

don't get saab or mazda, that's just imo.
 

NutBucket

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Originally posted by: MogulMonster
The A4 is a great idea. I wish I was still babysitting my buddies A4, but I'm more happy that he made it back from Iraq. Make sure you get the 5 speed, since its so much fun. Its not as tight as the Saab 9-3's manual, but it tends to have less quirky problems.

I think Saab has gotten rid of a lot of the odd problems since being associated with GM, believe it or not.
 

EvilYoda

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Yes yes, leasing is for suckers, and I'm a sucker. My justifications probably don't mean much, but a lease is just how I want to go about doing this car, since I'm a greedy little bastard. :) My HT is just about set for at least the duration of the lease (suuuure...), and I don't have any other monthly payments that could fluctuate enough for me to have cash problems. I have no CC debt, perfect credit rating (740 or something last time I checked)...

But I definitely will check out a buy price as well, just to see. There are a lot of 0%APR programs out right now, so I do realize how nice that would be.

Thanks for the help so far guys...if you drive or have driven any of the aforementioned cars, please post or PM me a review, as drivers will know more about intricacies than window shoppers will.
 

StageLeft

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Yes yes, leasing is for suckers, and I'm a sucker. My justifications probably don't mean much, but a lease is just how I want to go about doing this car, since I'm a greedy little bastard.
Either you're lying about the fact you think it's for suckers or you have a very poor self opinion. :Q
 

Pliablemoose

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Prelude, Integra, or A4

Looking for & finding a good deal in a used car is 1/2 the fun. Start looking:D Run a Carfax on any good candidates, and have a mechanic look over anything that passes the Carfax check.
 

EvilYoda

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yes yes, leasing is for suckers, and I'm a sucker. My justifications probably don't mean much, but a lease is just how I want to go about doing this car, since I'm a greedy little bastard.
Either you're lying about the fact you think it's for suckers or you have a very poor self opinion. :Q

Well, common sense dictates that leasing is giving your money away, but greed sometimes supercedes my CS (sometimes?) and...yeah.

I have a pretty good opinion of myself, as a matter of fact. ;)
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yes yes, leasing is for suckers, and I'm a sucker. My justifications probably don't mean much, but a lease is just how I want to go about doing this car, since I'm a greedy little bastard.
Either you're lying about the fact you think it's for suckers or you have a very poor self opinion. :Q

Well, common sense dictates that leasing is giving your money away, but greed sometimes supercedes my CS (sometimes?) and...yeah.

I have a pretty good opinion of myself, as a matter of fact. ;)
But you called yourself a sucker

:confused:
 

EvilYoda

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lol, I don't know whether or not I should take you seriously, Skoorbie. :)

Just forget I said it. ;)
 

Lvis

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Be sure and check insurance rates, some of those cars look expensive. Not to mention sporty.
 

BatmanNate

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I wouldn't get an Acura Integra, do a search for all the threads here by poeple who've had theirs stolen.