YACT: Car sale, guy wants work done after the sale

[fbrdphreak]

So we sold my gf's 2001 Saturn L200 to a guy (to his son technically, son bought it, guy arranged it), deal was done tonight and they looked at it first time yesterday.

Told them yesterday the front brakes were coming up on needing changing (56K miles on original brakes), but the pads still had a good amount of material left (no where near wear markers). We were planning on changing them before the car sold, but this happened so quick we didn't have time. After I told the guy we were planning on changing them, he didn't say anything about it.

Fast forward to transaction today. Bill of sale, title, and money change hands. Towards the end, the guy asks what we're doing to do about the brakes. Turns out he wants us to take care of the brakes still :roll: Even though my gf asked him about the brakes in an e-mail last night to check on last minute things (which he didn't answer), he says something about it AFTER the freakin' sale :roll:

So appearing a little unsettled about it, we tell him we can get the pads for about $30 and my mechanic can change it for around $40. He says his son will get in touch with us about it :roll:

So if/when the guy contacts us about this, what should we do? This is on my gf's dime and he got the car for $6800 (KBB Good condition $7100, which was our asking price). She'd rather not even spend the $30 on pads and let them get it installed, just because she's irritated with the guy's gall about it.

I'm not worried about anything he can legally do, he signed the bill of sale saying car is provided as-is with no warranty.

What would you do in this situation?

 

[Heisenberg]

If he wanted it done before the sale was complete, he should have said something. Too bad for him.

 

[Toastedlightly]

His problem.

 

[BobDaMenkey]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
If he wanted it done before the sale was complete, he should have said something. Too bad for him.

I'm gonna have to agree. It was an after thought, not a priority for him. If it was that much of an issue they would have been sure to have settled it before they went through all the paper work with the transaction.

I don't think you should do anything for him.

 

[SuperSix]

Sale complete = Sale complete. Tell him it's his problem now, especially after he didn't decide to look at it until *AFTER* the sale was complete.

He's a moron for not examining it before he bought it, and you will be a moron for doing ANYTHING after the sale that wasn't pre-arranged beforehand

 

[Viperoni]

Agree with all 4 previous replies.

 

[imported_Rat]

Not your problem.

 

[Trikat]

Stupid person. Don't let him get to you as he already agreed to the sale.

 

[d33pt]

AS IS unless otherwise specified....IN WRITING. Just tell him nicely to bug off and pay the $50 to fix the brakes.

 

[OS]

god damn people cry about the stupidest sh*t, he can buy his own $40 pads and spend an hour to replace it.

 

[Aharami]

sell the car as is

 

[Captante]

You arn't obligated to do anything at all about the brake pads but if I'd told the guy I would take care of them I would do it even if he forgot to bring it up during the transaction, not for him so much as because I said I'd do it & my word means somthing to me.

 

[LordMaul]

He probably figured that you would let the car go for less than asking price if you didn't have to put the cost of the new brakes into the car before the sale. So, he bought it with the intention of guilting you into fixing them AFTER he gets the better sale price, therefore saving (in theory) approximately twice the cost of the brakes for the car.

Screw 'im.

 

[Theb]

Originally posted by: Captante
You arn't obligated to do anything at all about the brake pads but if I'd told the guy I would take care of them I would do it even if he forgot to bring it up during the transaction, not for him so much as because I said I'd do it & my word means somthing to me.

Same here.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Used cars are always sold as-is, no warranty unless you specifically state otherwise. If he comes back, tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.

ZV

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Captante
You arn't obligated to do anything at all about the brake pads but if I'd told the guy I would take care of them I would do it even if he forgot to bring it up during the transaction, not for him so much as because I said I'd do it & my word means somthing to me.

I would agree with this, but it is the way he went about it. She even offered to take $70 out of the cash they gave us and give it back for them to take care of it themselves. The guy said he would just have his son get up with us :roll: I never said I would change the brakes for him. I said we were planning to do so before the car sold and that we could do what he wanted with that. He never said anything about it and brings it up after the fact. Frankly I think he did it on purpose, judging his personality and demeanor at the time.

 

[thomsbrain]

his problem.

 

[dirtboy]

If you told someone you 'probably' were going to do something, then they have every right to assume that you did it. Nowhere did you state to him at the time of sale that you didn't change the pad, so he probably assumed you did it, until he inspected it later.

Now you are saying he's the bad guy for asking you why you didn't do it. Sounds like you made him a false promise. The honorable thing to do is to own up to your words. However, legally he has nothing, unless he can prove that you intended to change the pads; odds are he can't prove that, unless it's in the e-mail your gf sent him.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If you told someone you 'probably' were going to do something, then they have every right to assume that you did it. Nowhere did you state to him at the time of sale that you didn't change the pad, so he probably assumed you did it, until he inspected it later.

A reasonable person would not expect the seller to change the brakes overnight. In this case, the admission that the OP "had been planning" to change the pads before the sale was nothing more than a disclosure of a pre-existing condition that he did not have time to fix before selling the vehicle.

Nowhere did the OP say anything that could be assumed to be a promise by a moderately intelligent person.

ZV

 

[Brainonska511]

Tell him it's his problem and you will not take care of it.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I told this to someone, but I said I was getting a 4 new tires...woops? I shouldnt have said something, haha.

I put 200$ pair of tires on (4 tires). Granted...I was oddly pressed to sell it too.

Didnt want to miss out on another deal.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
If you told someone you 'probably' were going to do something, then they have every right to assume that you did it. Nowhere did you state to him at the time of sale that you didn't change the pad, so he probably assumed you did it, until he inspected it later.

What are you talking about? The OP disclosed that the brakes were coming up on needing changed, and that he had been planning on doing it, until the car went on the market. In other words, "The brakes will need to be changed shortly after you buy this car." He'd be a moron to assume it had been done.

Granted, there are a lot of morons in the world. But the OP has no obligation to change the brakes, legally, morally, or socially.

So, if the OP "had been planning" to put a $3000 turbo kit and gold-plated rims on the car prior to the sale, does the buyer have a right to expect these things upon purchase?

 

[dirtboy]

I thought the OP said to the buyer he was going to change the pads.

If the buyer bought based on something the OP didn't do, then that is fraud.

I really could care less, so you people can quote me and argue with me all you want.

My point was clear.

If he said he was going to do it to the buyer, he should do it.

If he doesn't, he probably won't get sued over it.

In the end of the day, it's a moral issue. Does the OP feel that he should do the right thing and own up to what I thought was a verbal promise to the buyer, or should he be a jackass over $70.

 

[Compton]

Too bad for him. He should go buy a Chilton's and do it himself.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Let me clarify some of the later comments here:

I specifically told the guy we planned on changing the front pads before we sold the car. I specifically told him that we were flexible as to whether we would change the pads before the sale and that it would be up to him. After that initial discussion during the first look-over yesterday, he said nothing about the brakes to myself or my gf (her car). She e-mailed him later last night confirming all the final details on the car, as well as asking about the brakes. She got no response about the brakes.

Come today, after everything has changed hands, he brings them up. Now he certainly could have assumed we were doing them in the first place, but you know what they say about assumptions. At no point did either of us say, "As apart of the vehicle sale to you, we will change the brake pads" or anything even remotely like that. If he assumed or expected without indicating such to us before the sale, that is his own damn fault.

For right now we're waiting for his son to get up with us (Not holding my breath, the kid is in his early 20's and looks like Screech w/a malformed face & has the social skills as such), and if he does we'll see what the gf wants to do then. Right now she's like "F them" because of this BS he pulled, but in a few days she may calm down and be willing to pay for the $30 pads and/or for the labor to change them (I can do it, but I don't quite feel like it ); however given she really loved the car and wasn't happy when he low balled us $6500 :roll: I doubt she's gonna cut them any slack

The way she sees it we gave them $300 off a fair price for the car, they can take that sh!t and have a mechanic rape them in parts/labor.

EDIT And to clarify one step further: I have no doubts we are in the right here, legally & morally. We never said we'd replace the brakes for him with the sale of the car and he f-in assumed it. The bill of sale says "as-is condition with no warranty" and says nothing about brakes. He didn't even have the damn car checked out by a mechanic. Instead Mr.-Works-At-IBM checked it out himself and automagically could tell the car was never in an accident or otherwise had major problems :roll: Luckily for him it is in as great condition as we said, otherwise we could've really jacked him. Moron