YACAT - Yet Another Car Abomination Thread #2

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SupaDupaCheez

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Originally posted by: Cruez
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: Cruez
The Skyline engine can produce around 1000 HP on STOCK internals...

Try that with ANY STOCK V8 .. Its not going to happen. Period.

What does stock internals matter? We're talking about modifying, so it's all fair game. I bet next you'll bring up hp/liter...

I don't care about hp/liter. Every engine has its + and -'s. The RB26DETT is a very well designed engine. Much better designed than the engine that was in that Mustang to begin with...
Just don't understand why some think its an abomination.


You are absolutely right: Every engine does have it's pro's and con's. Both engines are well designed. The american V8 (especially the Chevy Small Block) is considered one of the best designed engines FROM THAT TIME PERIOD (Some would say....ANY time period) and it is still in use today. It may be 'old tech' but it is still 'good tech'. There is no doubt that the Skyline and it's engine is a marvel. I don't particularly like the styling but the overal engineering is spectacular. It's just not my cup of tea but I certainly respect it.

As far as why people might call the 'SkyStang' an abomination:
1. Skyline Fanbois (usually) hate 'Crappy hunk of junk' technology
2. Mustang Fanbois (usually) hate 'Ricers'
3. When you combine two items with such extreme fan bases....you will get this kind of reaction.
4. That is probably why they chose to do that project
5. If they modded the Mustang in a serious way to get that engine in there, they may have ruined a piece of American Automobile history. Those 67 Fastbacks are VERY hard to come by in any decent condition (and that car is considered in 'decent' condition even with the bad body). Just check out Barrett's Auto Auction on Speed Channel in January.


Both sides (Fanbois) of this debate have so much in common with each other it's not even funny. Problem is that most don't want to accept it.
 

Kenazo

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I love it when they combine new tech and old tech, but I'd rather see something like a 71 Challenger w/ a Viper engine than this thing.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For reference:
The Skyline motor weighs in at about 720LBs.
A Ford BOSS 429 weighs in at about 680LBs.

So... how is the american V8 twice the size of the Skyline motor?

I'm curious where you got the numbers on that Skyline motor?
 

wasssup

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Mustang's are nice, but Skyline's are hot.

Give me a choice and i'll choose the Skyline in a heartbeat. That car can actually turn, unlike most "American Muscle" cars...
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Wow, a bigger bunch of idiots I've never seen.

Edit-You're right though. It is an abomination sticking that sweet engine in that hunk of junk.

my thoughts exactly
 

dafatha00

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Wow, a bigger bunch of idiots I've never seen.

Edit-You're right though. It is an abomination sticking that sweet engine in that hunk of junk.

 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For reference:
The Skyline motor weighs in at about 720LBs.
A Ford BOSS 429 weighs in at about 680LBs.

So... how is the american V8 twice the size of the Skyline motor?

I'm curious where you got the numbers on that Skyline motor?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0309scc_hybrid/

Yes, I know it includes the crossmember and steering rack, but it does NOT include the intercooler and the like.
 

broon

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That's terrible. The fastback is not something that should be modded. If you want modern performance, buy/build a performance car. He would be better off buying a kit car for the Nissan engine and sell the fastback.
 

DarkKnight69

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OMG, this summer I drove a 1967 428 Super Cobra Jet full drag package. I am a ricer fan, but when u got into the SCJ and started the engine, and watched the cowl shake like a mofo and you could spin the wheels doing 80mph dropping into 4th gear, then there was power.

I smoked out the wheels through 3 gears onto the highway that night.
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
The proper combination of new and old
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Sounds like they're still making these? Where are they getting the old 'stangs to build off of? Or, is it a new body/kit car?
 

MasterAndCommander

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
The proper combination of new and old
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Sounds like they're still making these? Where are they getting the old 'stangs to build off of? Or, is it a new body/kit car?

I saw something on TLC once - Rides? where they took old stangs and re-built them into Shelbys - they even get new VIN #s authorized from Ford.
 

geno

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Freaking cool :)

The way those guys are reacting, you would've thought they're replacing the 4.6 with RB25s in every Stang :roll:
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For reference:
The Skyline motor weighs in at about 720LBs.
A Ford BOSS 429 weighs in at about 680LBs.

So... how is the american V8 twice the size of the Skyline motor?

I'm curious where you got the numbers on that Skyline motor?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0309scc_hybrid/

Yes, I know it includes the crossmember and steering rack, but it does NOT include the intercooler and the like.

It also includes all the associated hardware and wiring. How about the BOSS engine?
 

geno

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For reference:
The Skyline motor weighs in at about 720LBs.
A Ford BOSS 429 weighs in at about 680LBs.

So... how is the american V8 twice the size of the Skyline motor?

I'm curious where you got the numbers on that Skyline motor?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0309scc_hybrid/

Yes, I know it includes the crossmember and steering rack, but it does NOT include the intercooler and the like.

And the transmission - is that figure for the 429 including the trans?
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
For reference:
The Skyline motor weighs in at about 720LBs.
A Ford BOSS 429 weighs in at about 680LBs.

So... how is the american V8 twice the size of the Skyline motor?

I'm curious where you got the numbers on that Skyline motor?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0309scc_hybrid/

Yes, I know it includes the crossmember and steering rack, but it does NOT include the intercooler and the like.

It also includes all the associated hardware and wiring. How about the BOSS engine?

The BOSS needs a fuel line and a battery cable.

If you can find me a more accurate number on the Skyline's engine, let me know. It's easy to find info for older engines, but newer engines seem to be more tight lipped about how much they really weigh.
 

SportSC4

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the RB26DETT is an inline 6 and those run larger than a V6 or V8. In my SC400, I had an extra ~5-6 inches of space in the front of the engine compared with the SC300 (2JZGE).
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: SportSC4
the RB26DETT is an inline 6 and those run larger than a V6 or V8. In my SC400, I had an extra ~5-6 inches of space in the front of the engine compared with the SC300 (2JZGE).

If you want a better example of a huge I6 vs. V8 (and V10), check out a Cummins Ram engine bay compared to a Hemi, or even an SRT10. The Cummins weighs in at 1050 and fills it up. The SRT10 even has alot of room comparatively. The Hemi and 4.7 just look cute once you're used to seeing the diesel.
 

Cruez

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
If you can find me a more accurate number on the Skyline's engine, let me know. It's easy to find info for older engines, but newer engines seem to be more tight lipped about how much they really weigh.


That 720 number is about right.... WITH the transmission. Its about 200 lbs more than the 2.8 L6 engine in the Datsun Z cars.. Due to the double overhead cammed head and misc parts.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: Cruez
That 720 number is about right.... WITH the transmission. Its about 200 lbs more than the 2.8 L6 engine in the Datsun Z cars.. Due to the double overhead cammed head and misc parts.

So if we assume that the transmission weighs in at about 150LBs, which is on the heavy side as a T56 is about 120LBs, that still puts the engine at 570LBs. Which is 70 more than the engine that was most likely in the car (289-351). Making the "larger american engine" still smaller and lighter.
 

Cruez

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Yes the RB is a slighty heavy engine...again due to the head.

As far as the Ford engine goes..

the 289-302 early models are around 460

351 weighs in at around 550 /510 Cleve/Winds + the tranny.

While a Chevy BB tips the scale at 685 lbs itself.