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YACAT : 2x 15" Rockford Fosgates..will it sound ok?

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
My friend had 2 RF15"s and 2 RF12"s installed in his truck a couple years back. (not at the same time) The 15's sounded like absolute ass closeup - they were loud and they shook everything around, but if you're expecting clean, home theater system bass, 15's aint it buddy. And wtf are you doing putting it into your Corolla? *scratches head*

His 2 12"s were relatively smooth and deep closeup, however. Better subs imho than the 15's, which as of now are still sitting in his garage.
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What's wrong with putting decent sound in a Corolla?

I'll probably go with a single 12..
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There's nothing wrong w/putting good sound in any vehicle. Go with the single 12"; it'll sound GREAT and you might even still be able to fit a box of Cheetos in your trunk. 😉
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Mike stole the words out of my mouth - there's nothing wrong with putting good sound in your vehicle or any for that matter. However, putting 15's into a Corolla is like putting 24" bling blings on your Corolla. Totally pointless. Good sound would be a single 12", maybe 2 12"s if you want to go through the time of properly dynamatting (sp?) your trunk to get the rattles out
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
Oh, and if you're going to stick subs in the trunk, please note that driving along and having your trunk rattle furiously from the bass makes you look like a stupid mexi-ricer. Don't do it.
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I actually saw an old Grand Am blow its trunk open doing that. Driving down the street, I'm hearing the bass from his car... *thumpaTHUMPAthumPOW*

FunnAy.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
My friend had 2 RF15"s and 2 RF12"s installed in his truck a couple years back. (not at the same time) The 15's sounded like absolute ass closeup - they were loud and they shook everything around, but if you're expecting clean, home theater system bass, 15's aint it buddy. And wtf are you doing putting it into your Corolla? *scratches head*

His 2 12"s were relatively smooth and deep closeup, however. Better subs imho than the 15's, which as of now are still sitting in his garage.
Click to expand...

What's wrong with putting decent sound in a Corolla?

I'll probably go with a single 12..
Click to expand...

There's nothing wrong w/putting good sound in any vehicle. Go with the single 12"; it'll sound GREAT and you might even still be able to fit a box of Cheetos in your trunk. 😉
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Mike stole the words out of my mouth - there's nothing wrong with putting good sound in your vehicle or any for that matter. However, putting 15's into a Corolla is like putting 24" bling blings on your Corolla. Totally pointless. Good sound would be a single 12", maybe 2 12"s if you want to go through the time of properly dynamatting (sp?) your trunk to get the rattles out
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The only reason I was planning on 15s is because my friend already had a box for them. 24" rims wouldn't fit, btw.. 😉 😛 I'm probably going with basic gunmetal 16s -- not too ricey, I hope? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Spac3d
You do realize that it is very cheap to build your own box, right?
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1) I don't have a garage
2) I don't have much/any woodworking stuff
3) If I did, I wouldn't really have anywhere to work on anything

=)
 
you can get an inexpensive mdf box from ikesound.com. My friend bought most of his setup for his 99 corolla there (sealed 12" infinity) and he's pretty happy with it. Click on "raptor" for the enclosures.

my intake
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
OK, 380W RMS @ 4ohms / 2 = 190 watts per sub. That'll be more than enough for your small vehicle, but nowhere near enough to push a decent 15 to any respectable volume level.

I run 300W RMS to a single 12" in a sealed box. It's adequate. 😉

Good luck and PM me if you need help. I'll do what I can.
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If the sensitivities are the same, the volume will be the same (given the same power being sent to both types).
 
Originally posted by: OS
you can get an inexpensive mdf box from ikesound.com. My friend bought most of his setup for his 99 corolla there (sealed 12" infinity) and he's pretty happy with it. Click on "raptor" for the enclosures.

my intake
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Think I'd have any luck selling my current box? If I could get 30 bucks for the box w/2 15" grills, I'd be ok.

What's the difference between the Infinity Infinity Reference 1230w ($69), Infinity Reference 1232w ($73), Infinity PERFECT 12 ($159), Infinity KAPPA PERFECT12.1D 12 ($159), and Infinity KAPPA 120.3DVC ($120)? I don't know anything about them, except the first ones are about half the price...😛

Edit: that intake looks a lot better than mine....what'd you use?
 
Originally posted by: Howard
In fact, MD, in that PDF you linked to, the 18" was more sensitive than the smaller drivers.
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True. Most people miss this fact:
Larger drivers need LESS power.

Anyway, teh bass in my car is the best I have ever heard.
I use 2 12" subs, a huge enclosure ( the entire trunk) and 2 EQTs.
IMHO, it very quickly becomes important to have at least a 1/3 octave EQ in a car system.
A Pair of EQTs cost about $600 so, I understabd why folks avoid buying them, but you CANNOT get really good sound in a car with out them.
 
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Think I'd have any luck selling my current box? If I could get 30 bucks for the box w/2 15" grills, I'd be ok.

What's the difference between the Infinity Infinity Reference 1230w ($69), Infinity Reference 1232w ($73), Infinity PERFECT 12 ($159), Infinity KAPPA PERFECT12.1D 12 ($159), and Infinity KAPPA 120.3DVC ($120)? I don't know anything about them, except the first ones are about half the price...😛

Edit: that intake looks a lot better than mine....what'd you use?
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Depends if you can find a buyer really. I don't know much about the individual infinity models, hopefully someone can fill it in. It just seems like a lot of my friends are infinity whores. 😀

I used mothers metal polish, sat there and rubbed the intake for a couple hours. :Q



 
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Think I'd have any luck selling my current box? If I could get 30 bucks for the box w/2 15" grills, I'd be ok.

What's the difference between the Infinity Infinity Reference 1230w ($69), Infinity Reference 1232w ($73), Infinity PERFECT 12 ($159), Infinity KAPPA PERFECT12.1D 12 ($159), and Infinity KAPPA 120.3DVC ($120)? I don't know anything about them, except the first ones are about half the price...😛

Edit: that intake looks a lot better than mine....what'd you use?
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Depends if you can find a buyer really. I don't know much about the individual infinity models, hopefully someone can fill it in. It just seems like a lot of my friends are infinity whores. 😀

I used mothers metal polish, sat there and rubbed the intake for a couple hours. :Q
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Mine has spots of something on it..hopefully it'll come off. Ah well..it's worth a shot. I have a Dremel, so maybe I can get a polishing wheel or something..
 
Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: Howard
In fact, MD, in that PDF you linked to, the 18" was more sensitive than the smaller drivers.
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True. Most people miss this fact:
Larger drivers need LESS power.

Anyway, teh bass in my car is the best I have ever heard.
I use 2 12" subs, a huge enclosure ( the entire trunk) and 2 EQTs.
IMHO, it very quickly becomes important to have at least a 1/3 octave EQ in a car system.
A Pair of EQTs cost about $600 so, I understabd why folks avoid buying them, but you CANNOT get really good sound in a car with out them.
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I agree. Equalization is VERY important, particularly in a mobile environment. The key to the sound in my truck is my EQX. Audio Control rules! 😎 I wish it had a few more bands down in the bass area, but it has excellent control over the midbass/midrange which is crucial to achieving proper imaging and tonal response in a mobile environment.
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: Howard
In fact, MD, in that PDF you linked to, the 18" was more sensitive than the smaller drivers.
Click to expand...


True. Most people miss this fact:
Larger drivers need LESS power.

Anyway, teh bass in my car is the best I have ever heard.
I use 2 12" subs, a huge enclosure ( the entire trunk) and 2 EQTs.
IMHO, it very quickly becomes important to have at least a 1/3 octave EQ in a car system.
A Pair of EQTs cost about $600 so, I understabd why folks avoid buying them, but you CANNOT get really good sound in a car with out them.
Click to expand...

I agree. Equalization is VERY important, particularly in a mobile environment. The key to the sound in my truck is my EQX. Audio Control rules! 😎 I wish it had a few more bands down in the bass area, but it has excellent control over the midbass/midrange which is crucial to achieving proper imaging and tonal response in a mobile environment.
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Bah..I just want the bottom half of my music to actually be there. 😉 😛

Any specific Infinity sub I should get? Are the sub-$100 ones much worse than the $159 variety?
 
check my sig, and then go over to edesignaudio.com and get some of those, im partial to them right now but yea, they sound great, and have great support, they also have a lower end sub being announced tomorrow. im in a ported box right now and it can get loud if i want it too. sounds great, cfan play a bass guitar line quite well (jimi hendrix) great support, their forums are at forums.soundillusions.net and the avionixx amps are great. your amp bridged would allow a 12.14k like i have to run great, a litle less power than i have, but will sound good.

MIKE
 
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
check my sig, and then go over to edesignaudio.com and get some of those, im partial to them right now but yea, they sound great, and have great support, they also have a lower end sub being announced tomorrow. im in a ported box right now and it can get loud if i want it too. sounds great, cfan play a bass guitar line quite well (jimi hendrix) great support, their forums are at forums.soundillusions.net and the avionixx amps are great. your amp bridged would allow a 12.14k like i have to run great, a litle less power than i have, but will sound good.

MIKE
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What size box?

Is that better than an Infinity Perfect 12..Infinity Kappa, etc?
 
i cant comment, cuz ive never listened, the box is built to the specs on their site, the ported box, w/ 5 baffles port tuned to 36 hz, which was in house decision by listening to different boxes and sein which had the flatest response.

the soundillusions forum will answer your question pretty accurately. the subs are SQ subs, not SPL subs i know that though.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/im/boxcuts/12%20rec%20vented.jpg

MIKE
 
How the hell does your EQ set imaging?

Anyways, I'd do 12's simply in the interest of space.
Magnum D2
Elemental Designs

Yes, larger drivers are more efficient. Yes they have the ability to sound better then smaller drivers. At the cost of far more space required on the box. And power is dirt, I mean DIRT cheap. So, to me the advatnatge really doesnt lie in larger drivers as much as it at first appears to.
JBL amps
You can get a 600 watter for 230, and a 1200 watter for 290. Thats 60 bucks more for double the power. So, IMO efficiency doesnt mean a whole lot. 10 years ago that was a completely different story though.

As for sound deadening, check out Raammat. Same as Dynamat, half the price. How can you go wrong?

So, if I were you I'd pick up a roll of Raamat, dampen the inside then buy either 1 Magnum D2 or 1 ED (I'd do the A series, I dunno what your price range is) and drop it in a lower tuned box and be very happy.

Or, theres always plan B. Buy a Shiva. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
How the hell does your EQ set imaging?

Anyways, I'd do 12's simply in the interest of space.
Magnum D2
Elemental Designs

Yes, larger drivers are more efficient. Yes they have the ability to sound better then smaller drivers. At the cost of far more space required on the box. And power is dirt, I mean DIRT cheap. So, to me the advatnatge really doesnt lie in larger drivers as much as it at first appears to.
JBL amps
You can get a 600 watter for 230, and a 1200 watter for 290. Thats 60 bucks more for double the power. So, IMO efficiency doesnt mean a whole lot. 10 years ago that was a completely different story though.

As for sound deadening, check out Raammat. Same as Dynamat, half the price. How can you go wrong?

So, if I were you I'd pick up a roll of Raamat, dampen the inside then buy either 1 Magnum D2 or 1 ED (I'd do the A series, I dunno what your price range is) and drop it in a lower tuned box and be very happy.

Or, theres always plan B. Buy a Shiva. 🙂
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EQ has nothing to do with imaging. In fact, only the recording and speaker locations relative to the listener have anything to do with imaging.

 
his range i believe was around under 200 so yea, the a's are a bit out of there, hell a guy over at soundillusions has an eD 15A sub 1!!! at 152. DB on a tsunami amp that they are sellin, but yea, that thing has been tested in so many different setups.

the magnums, are powerful, and are going on sale sumtime soon, and will cost 200$ a piece, but ur amp you have wont really have enough power for those, get the 12.14k and power it w/ the amp u have. dont forget wiringe, and other costs.

MIKE
 
Originally posted by: Shockwave
How the hell does your EQ set imaging?

Anyways, I'd do 12's simply in the interest of space.
Magnum D2
Elemental Designs

Yes, larger drivers are more efficient. Yes they have the ability to sound better then smaller drivers. At the cost of far more space required on the box. And power is dirt, I mean DIRT cheap. So, to me the advatnatge really doesnt lie in larger drivers as much as it at first appears to.
JBL amps
You can get a 600 watter for 230, and a 1200 watter for 290. Thats 60 bucks more for double the power. So, IMO efficiency doesnt mean a whole lot. 10 years ago that was a completely different story though.

As for sound deadening, check out Raammat. Same as Dynamat, half the price. How can you go wrong?

So, if I were you I'd pick up a roll of Raamat, dampen the inside then buy either 1 Magnum D2 or 1 ED (I'd do the A series, I dunno what your price range is) and drop it in a lower tuned box and be very happy.

Or, theres always plan B. Buy a Shiva. 🙂
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Price range is about $150.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's a Shiva? I can tolerate what I have now for a while, if a better sub will make a huge difference...there's a lot more bass in my JBL 6.5's than I thought. It helps when they have more than 25w going to them, I guess..lol

The amp is already wired/running, btw..so I just need the sub/box.
 
Glen, I know an EQ doesnt affect imaging. Only speaker location / time alignment does.
I was giving Mike a bit of shiit. 😉
 
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