YA(We never landed on the moon)T

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko

P.S. Radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...ing_radiation_and_heat

Ionizing radiation and heat

Challenges and responses

1. The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation from the Van Allen radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation (see radiation poisoning). Some hoax theorists have suggested that Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear testing in 1962) was a failed attempt to disrupt the Van Allen belts.

* The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.[54], pp. 160?162 The spacecraft passed through the intense inner belt in a matter of minutes and the low-energy outer belt in about an hour and a half. The astronauts were mostly shielded from the radiation by the spacecraft. The total radiation received on the trip was about the same as allowed for workers in the nuclear energy field for a year.[64]

* The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have developed early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip.[65] However, only twenty-four astronauts left earth orbit. At least thirty-nine former astronauts have developed cataracts. Thirty-six of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo lunar missions.[66]

2. Film in the cameras would have been fogged by this radiation.

* The film was kept in metal containers that prevented radiation from fogging the film's emulsion.[54], pp. 162?163 In addition, film carried by unmanned lunar probes such as the Lunar Orbiter and Luna 3 (which used on-board film development processes) was not fogged.

3. The Moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that camera film would have melted.

* There is no atmosphere to efficiently couple lunar surface heat to devices such as cameras not in direct contact with it. In a vacuum, only radiation remains as a heat transfer mechanism. The physics of radiative heat transfer are thoroughly understood, and the proper use of passive optical coatings and paints was adequate to control the temperature of the film within the cameras; lunar module temperatures were controlled with similar coatings that gave it its gold color. Also, while the Moon's surface does get very hot at lunar noon, every Apollo landing was made shortly after lunar sunrise at the landing site. During the longer stays, the astronauts did notice increased cooling loads on their spacesuits as the sun continued to rise and the surface temperature increased, but the effect was easily countered by the passive and active cooling systems.[54], pp. 165?67 The film was not in direct sunlight, so it wasn't overheated.[67]

* Note: all of the lunar landings occurred during the lunar daytime. The Moon's day is approximately 29½ days long, and as a consequence a single lunar day (dawn to dusk) lasts nearly fifteen days. As such there was no sunrise or sunset while the astronauts were on the surface. Most lunar missions occurred during the first few earth days of the lunar day.

4. The Apollo 16 crew should not have survived a big solar flare firing out when they were on their way to the Moon. "They should have been fried."

* No large solar flare occurred during the flight of Apollo 16. There were large solar flares in August 1972, after Apollo 16 returned to Earth and before the flight of Apollo 17.[68][69]

 

[arrfep]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome

Originally posted by: invidia
Moon landing was a fake to use against the Soviets. It was filmed in the Nevada desert using wires to simulate gravity. It is just physically impossible to reach the moon, let alone leave Earth's atmosphere. I'm not a theorist, just stating some facts.

wat

😕

It's true. For instance, we don't really have sattelites to transmit TV signals, that's done with really fast homing pigeons carrying VHS tapes.

I :heart: this thread. It's like a microcosm of Anandtech forums. We've got P&N's conspiracy theorist loonies, Highly Technical rebuttals, ATOT's hilarious zingers. Quick, someone get a L&R question in here.

 

[RaiderJ]

The moon is lame anyway. Makes me have to carry around tide books and crap.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: arrfep

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome

Originally posted by: invidia
Moon landing was a fake to use against the Soviets. It was filmed in the Nevada desert using wires to simulate gravity. It is just physically impossible to reach the moon, let alone leave Earth's atmosphere. I'm not a theorist, just stating some facts.

wat

😕

It's true. For instance, we don't really have sattelites to transmit TV signals, that's done with really fast homing pigeons carrying VHS tapes.

I :heart: this thread. It's like a microcosm of Anandtech forums. We've got P&N's conspiracy theorist loonies, Highly Technical rebuttals, ATOT's hilarious zingers. Quick, someone get a L&R question in here.

Do Blue Moon bottles make good dildos?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Narse
OokiiNeko explain how we can bounce light off of the reflectors on the moon that we put there then?

It is really an airplane with a mirror.

Conspiracy.
It never took off.

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko

P.S. Radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...ing_radiation_and_heat

Ionizing radiation and heat

<Genuine facts.>

Oh snap!



Though there does always exist the high-energy particle radiation, consisting of near-relativistic Morons, generated by the vacuum of space.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Astronauts landed on the moon. Several times.

/thread

:thumbsup:

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Astronauts landed on the moon. Several times.

/thread

:thumbsup:

 

[arrfep]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: arrfep

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome

Originally posted by: invidia
Moon landing was a fake to use against the Soviets. It was filmed in the Nevada desert using wires to simulate gravity. It is just physically impossible to reach the moon, let alone leave Earth's atmosphere. I'm not a theorist, just stating some facts.

wat

😕

It's true. For instance, we don't really have sattelites to transmit TV signals, that's done with really fast homing pigeons carrying VHS tapes.

I :heart: this thread. It's like a microcosm of Anandtech forums. We've got P&N's conspiracy theorist loonies, Highly Technical rebuttals, ATOT's hilarious zingers. Quick, someone get a L&R question in here.

Do Blue Moon bottles make good dildos?

I would take the orange out first.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
I believe 100% that we landed on the moon but the only thing that makes me wonder is the whole stars thing. shouldn't we be able to see the starts in the pics?

No. The astronauts being photographed were under full sun light, the cameras were set to expose for them, the not the stars. You can't see stars in those images for the same reason you can't see any stars in the background of this picture of me. In the case of my picture, the camera was set to expose for the subject (myself) illuminated by the flash. This is approximately the same exposure as a subject in full sun light.

Edit - actually in that picture above the stars would also be out of focus, but the point still stands. I just used that image for illustrative purposes.

You don't look anything like your avatar :Q

You were disappointed that he wasn't really a pre-op tranny?

 

[IronWing]

Personal testimony concerning the veracity of moon landing claims:
Astronauts drank Tang.
I have personally dranked Tang.
Therefore astronauts went to the moon and back.

The thing I don't get is why NASA thought it might be necessary for astronauts to write on butter while on the moon and therefore designed a special purpose built pen. They didn't even bring any butter with them. While some have claimed the moon might consist of a dairy product, that product isn't butter and writing on it would have been the worst kind of graffiti. 😕

 

[IamBusby]

On the BBC this morning it states that they plan to send up a probe by 2011 which will go to the Apollo moon landing site.

Once we all see the video and images of this driving round the footsteps, flags and equipment then surely that must shut all the crazies up?

 

[Iron Woode]

people are still going on about this shit?

Its been debunked so many times that I am surprised anyone believes it.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: IamBusby
On the BBC this morning it states that they plan to send up a probe by 2011 which will go to the Apollo moon landing site.

Once we all see the video and images of this driving round the footsteps, flags and equipment then surely that must shut all the crazies up?

how would that shut anyone up? that'd be the easiest to forge of all.

i think the biggest proof is the reflector. anyone with the proper equipment can see for themselves. aside from that, most everything else can be done in a studio.

 

[miniMUNCH]

My grandfather on my father's side worked for NASA on the moon lander and the simulators... my dad has loads of of grandpa's stories to retell (my grandpa died in 1981 to lung cancer) about how crazy hard everyone at NASA worked during those years.

People in and around NASA really did have that 'vision', that insane drive... the astronauts were willing to die, if need be.

 

[IamBusby]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: IamBusby
On the BBC this morning it states that they plan to send up a probe by 2011 which will go to the Apollo moon landing site.

Once we all see the video and images of this driving round the footsteps, flags and equipment then surely that must shut all the crazies up?

how would that shut anyone up? that'd be the easiest to forge of all.

i think the biggest proof is the reflector. anyone with the proper equipment can see for themselves. aside from that, most everything else can be done in a studio.

I think it's an independant non NASA funded source so that should lend some weight to it.

Unfortunately your right however. It doesn't matter what's done to prove it happened, a select few will still not believe it. It's not like it matters what they believe anyway.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
"then came across the mythbusters show about it on youtube and changed my mind."

Mythbuster's did this in atmosphere, atmosphere scatters light, bad experiment that would have been ripped by AT ten years ago.


They never went to the moon. Into orbit, sure. But radiation BEYOND the Earth's protective magnetic fields (Van Allen Belts can be ignored for this argument) would have fried the astronauts. Especially during the various solar flares that occurred during each and every mission.

Other arguments pertain, but more circumstantial. My favorite, not once during the videos do you see an astronaut stop, look up and stare. Seeing the stars without any atmosphere in the way. Probably the most beautiful night sky any human would have had access to. And yet, not once does an astronaut get captivated by such a sight. This is a weak argument, I know, but it still strikes me as strange. To be called by the stars, and then, when they can see them as no other human has, to ignore them completely.

🙂

You do know the necks of those suits don't move right? They probably were looking up, as much as the visor let them.

Yeah, but you're overlooking or forgetting that the Astronauts were working in daylight. They were on the day-side of the moon. Do you look up and stare in awe at the stars at noon? Also, remember that the moon's surface gets light from the sun as well as what's reflected back from Earth. The moon's surface is brighter than you may imagine.

 

[boorns]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
My grandfather on my father's side worked for NASA on the moon lander and the simulators... my dad has loads of of grandpa's stories to retell (my grandpa died in 1981 to lung cancer) about how crazy hard everyone at NASA worked during those years.

People in and around NASA really did have that 'vision', that insane drive... the astronauts were willing to die, if need be.

I think nowadays people just don't care for hard work. If something isn't going to work in a week, then it's either impossible or faked. We give up too easily.

Those working on the Apollo missions did not and couldn't give up. If they gave up, I bet the Soviets would be up there first. Great day in America when that happens. The Greatest Generation were determined to get to the moon. It's really as simple as that. If people now had their drive, we'd probably be on Mars already.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: invidia
Moon landing was a fake to use against the Soviets. It was filmed in the Nevada desert using wires to simulate gravity. It is just physically impossible to reach the moon, let alone leave Earth's atmosphere. I'm not a theorist, just stating some facts.

This true. They fake shuttle launch. No go space.



😉

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: boorns

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
My grandfather on my father's side worked for NASA on the moon lander and the simulators... my dad has loads of of grandpa's stories to retell (my grandpa died in 1981 to lung cancer) about how crazy hard everyone at NASA worked during those years.

People in and around NASA really did have that 'vision', that insane drive... the astronauts were willing to die, if need be.

I think nowadays people just don't care for hard work. If something isn't going to work in a week, then it's either impossible or faked. We give up too easily.

Those working on the Apollo missions did not and couldn't give up. If they gave up, I bet the Soviets would be up there first. Great day in America when that happens. The Greatest Generation were determined to get to the moon. It's really as simple as that. If people now had their drive, we'd probably be on Mars already.

Bullshit, asshole. Plenty of people work hard as hell. Greatest generation my ass, more like most crotchety generation. Why don't you blame the lack of drive for space exploration on our shit government and it's absolute inability to do anything correctly except lie to its citizens and spend assloads of money on black projects and killing people on the other side of the planet. Or perhaps how they've turned public school into a mediocre joke, instead of a progressive and positive experience. That generation you speak of are the old fucks in government right now that are ruining any kind of scientific, logical, or social progress in this country. By the way, the soviets weren't any more fucked up than we are. Good job swallowing that propaganda. I don't know, maybe if they had "won" the "space race", they'd be doing this shit RIGHT.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
"then came across the mythbusters show about it on youtube and changed my mind."

Mythbuster's did this in atmosphere, atmosphere scatters light, bad experiment that would have been ripped by AT ten years ago.


They never went to the moon. Into orbit, sure. But radiation BEYOND the Earth's protective magnetic fields (Van Allen Belts can be ignored for this argument) would have fried the astronauts. Especially during the various solar flares that occurred during each and every mission.

Other arguments pertain, but more circumstantial. My favorite, not once during the videos do you see an astronaut stop, look up and stare. Seeing the stars without any atmosphere in the way. Probably the most beautiful night sky any human would have had access to. And yet, not once does an astronaut get captivated by such a sight. This is a weak argument, I know, but it still strikes me as strange. To be called by the stars, and then, when they can see them as no other human has, to ignore them completely.

🙂

You do know the necks of those suits don't move right? They probably were looking up, as much as the visor let them.

Yeah, but you're overlooking or forgetting that the Astronauts were working in daylight. They were on the day-side of the moon. Do you look up and stare in awe at the stars at noon? Also, remember that the moon's surface gets light from the sun as well as what's reflected back from Earth. The moon's surface is brighter than you may imagine.

Yes, since you'd be able to see them any time on the moon. No atmosphere to block them out in the "day-light", genius.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
I believe 100% that we landed on the moon but the only thing that makes me wonder is the whole stars thing. shouldn't we be able to see the starts in the pics?

No. The astronauts being photographed were under full sun light, the cameras were set to expose for them, the not the stars. You can't see stars in those images for the same reason you can't see any stars in the background of this picture of me. In the case of my picture, the camera was set to expose for the subject (myself) illuminated by the flash. This is approximately the same exposure as a subject in full sun light.

Edit - actually in that picture above the stars would also be out of focus, but the point still stands. I just used that image for illustrative purposes.

My sister has a similar picture, except it was taken in full daylight. She was standing in the sun, while the background was a shaded park.
It looks like your picture - she was fully illuminated, but it looked like nighttime in the background.

No, I'm not posting the pic.:evil:

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
"You do know the necks of those suits don't move right? They probably were looking up, as much as the visor let them."
I'll roll with that. Still, seems the old Earth habit of leaning back would kick in every now and then.

"Also tell us how/why the USSR cooperated with the hoax, at the height of the cold war."
Did the Soviets have the capability to track the craft? How would they know?

yes, they did.

"They were fortunate enough not to get hit by any CMEs headed this way."
Wrong. Solar flares recorded during each mission. Lots and lots of radiation. That must have been some awesome aluminum foil.
🙂

P.S. Radiation.

Radiation poisoning primer
Apollo missions radiation
Your ignorance addressed directly.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: irishScott
Found it: 😀
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

goddamn, there are some fucking retards on this forum.

you think we should prevent retards from fucking? what are you a pro-eugenics sicko?

after a couple minutes of reading l&r, can you blame me?

After a couple of minutes reading L&R, can't you see that there's no need to prevent what is clearly not happening in the first place? 😛

ZV

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: irishScott
Found it: 😀
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

goddamn, there are some fucking retards on this forum.

you think we should prevent retards from fucking? what are you a pro-eugenics sicko?

after a couple minutes of reading l&r, can you blame me?

After a couple of minutes reading L&R, can't you see that there's no need to prevent what is clearly not happening in the first place? 😛

ZV

:laugh::beer:

 

[OokiiNeko]

"yes, they did."
No, they didn't. Not until after the last Apollo mission. Strangely, the next three scheduled missions were then cancelled.

From one of your links: "Is it impossible to travel to the Moon, because of the Van Allen Belt?"
This is a VERY common misdirection. Focusing on the Van Allen Belts diverts from the fact that once past them, the protection provided by the Earth's magnetic fields is lost.

Not so much concerned about the stars not being in the photos. Interesting though that over 5000 official NASA moon photos, supposedly taken by the astronauts, available from a cumulative total time of under 5000 minutes on the moon.

🙂

P.S. Lotsa radiation.