YA(hdtv)T - 42" lcd questions

new2AMD

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BB has the westy 42" monitor for 999. The 1080p version is only online and costs a bit more. Is it really necessary? How does SDtv look on either of these? Anyone compare either of the westys to the olevia 542i? That one at least has a built in tuner. Ive been researching a lot and am getting confused.
 

radioouman

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1080p is a smart investment for the future. Otherwise, your tv will be outdated next year.

Oh, and by the way, if you mean standard definition as in analog, it will look like ass. Standard definition digital will look OK (at least no noise).
 

new2AMD

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Originally posted by: radioouman
1080p is a smart investment for the future. Otherwise, your tv will be outdated next year.

I really dont believe that. Nothing is even broadcast in 1080p. Lets face it, the majority of television broadcast today is standard definition. I can understand the 1080p being a good investment if you plan to have a pc hooked up to it.
 

radioouman

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Originally posted by: new2AMD
Originally posted by: radioouman
1080p is a smart investment for the future. Otherwise, your tv will be outdated next year.

I really dont believe that. Nothing is even broadcast in 1080p. Lets face it, the majority of television broadcast today is standard definition. I can understand the 1080p being a good investment if you plan to have a pc hooked up to it.

HD DVD is 1080p. But you are right that ATSC is only 1080i. The Westinghouse monitors don't have tuners anyway!
Some cable boxes are 1080p.
 

Odeen

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1080i on a 1080p set requires merely deinterlacing the content.
1080i on a 720p / 768p set requires either deinterlacing and downscaling or, worse, throwing out every other field to get 540p and then upscaling to 720p.

With high definition DVD formats coming in play, it makes a lot of sense to buy a TV that accepts 1080p and doesn't reprocess it internally. (Some TV's unfortunately, will interlace 1080p down to 1080i, apply video processing, then deinterlace back to 1080p. With the tremendous bandwidth required to process uncompressed 1080p, it is cheaper to put an interlacer and a deinterlacer there around a low-bandwidth video processor)

Oh, and SDTV will show its limitations on any HDTV set - and the more you spend, the better it looks. At least use a proper pillarbox mode for 4x3 content rather then cropping or stretching it.
 

new2AMD

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Ive got directv and its 1080i. So no tuner is fine with me. But i really am concerned with SDtv since my wife will be watching a lot of it. I watch foodnetwork and bravo and stuff like that and want it to look good.
 

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Originally posted by: new2AMD
Originally posted by: radioouman
1080p is a smart investment for the future. Otherwise, your tv will be outdated next year.

I really dont believe that. Nothing is even broadcast in 1080p. Lets face it, the majority of television broadcast today is standard definition. I can understand the 1080p being a good investment if you plan to have a pc hooked up to it.


Nope. 1080i also benefits from a 1080P monitor.
 

davestar

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Originally posted by: new2AMD

I really dont believe that. Nothing is even broadcast in 1080p. Lets face it, the majority of television broadcast today is standard definition. I can understand the 1080p being a good investment if you plan to have a pc hooked up to it.

however, nearly everything is broadcast in 1080i. a 1080p television with a decent deinterlacer (converts an interlaced signal to a progressively scanned picture) will take a 1080i picture and, for all intents and purposes, display a 1080p picture.

a 720p television has 1366x768 pixels, so a 1080i signal (1920x1080) has information stripped out before it can be displayed.

on paper, a 1080p set makes sense for both hi-def television and PC/DVD sources. of course, that's on paper. this could all be indistinguishable to the casual - or maybe even careful - observer.
 

new2AMD

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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: new2AMD

I really dont believe that. Nothing is even broadcast in 1080p. Lets face it, the majority of television broadcast today is standard definition. I can understand the 1080p being a good investment if you plan to have a pc hooked up to it.

however, nearly everything is broadcast in 1080i. a 1080p television with a decent deinterlacer (converts an interlaced signal to a progressively scanned picture) will take a 1080i picture and, for all intents and purposes, display a 1080p picture.

a 720p television has 1366x768 pixels, so a 1080i signal (1920x1080) has information stripped out before it can be displayed.

on paper, a 1080p set makes sense for both hi-def television and PC/DVD sources. of course, that's on paper. this could all be indistinguishable to the casual - or maybe even careful - observer.
a deinterlacer is the tuner itself?
 

edro

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I just bought the 42" Westy @ Bestbuy over the weekend for $999 + 4yr replacement plan for $129.

I only have it hooked up to Time Warner Digital cable using an S-Video cable right now. The digital cable channels look ok, but honestly, they look grainy compared to other TVs in the store. I cannot tell if this is my cable box / S-Video combination or not. This Thursday I am getting the HD DVR box and an HDMI cable.

I also have an Xbox 360 and it looks amazing on it. You can see a HUGE difference between them which leads me to believe the grainy Digital Cable is mainly due to S-Video.

If the new box and cable doesn't satisfy me, I may take it back. But again, if the HD channels look like the Xbox does, it is definitely a keeper.
 

new2AMD

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Originally posted by: edro
I just bought the 42" Westy @ Bestbuy over the weekend for $999 + 4yr replacement plan for $129.

I only have it hooked up to Time Warner Digital cable using an S-Video cable right now. The digital cable channels look ok, but honestly, they look grainy compared to other TVs in the store. I cannot tell if this is my cable box / S-Video combination or not. This Thursday I am getting the HD DVR box and an HDMI cable.

I also have an Xbox 360 and it looks amazing on it. You can see a HUGE difference between them which leads me to believe the grainy Digital Cable is mainly due to S-Video.

If the new box and cable doesn't satisfy me, I may take it back. But again, if the HD channels look like the Xbox does, it is definitely a keeper.
thats the 720p/1080i set I was looking at. You definetly need to get rid of the s-video connection. Is that sale only for a limited time or is that the price?

 

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S video won't cut it for a decent HDTV...

Component or HDMI if you have it.

Koing
 

davestar

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Originally posted by: new2AMD
Originally posted by: davestar
however, nearly everything is broadcast in 1080i. a 1080p television with a decent deinterlacer (converts an interlaced signal to a progressively scanned picture) will take a 1080i picture and, for all intents and purposes, display a 1080p picture.

a 720p television has 1366x768 pixels, so a 1080i signal (1920x1080) has information stripped out before it can be displayed.

on paper, a 1080p set makes sense for both hi-def television and PC/DVD sources. of course, that's on paper. this could all be indistinguishable to the casual - or maybe even careful - observer.
a deinterlacer is the tuner itself?

no, it's not the tuner. the westinghouse displays don't come with digital tuners. unfortunately, there's little spec'ed information to be gathered about HDTVs' up/down-scaling and deinterlacing circuitry. the best i can suggest is read up at avsforums.com about peoples' experiences with these sets.
 

edro

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Originally posted by: new2AMD
Originally posted by: edro
I just bought the 42" Westy @ Bestbuy over the weekend for $999 + 4yr replacement plan for $129.

I only have it hooked up to Time Warner Digital cable using an S-Video cable right now. The digital cable channels look ok, but honestly, they look grainy compared to other TVs in the store. I cannot tell if this is my cable box / S-Video combination or not. This Thursday I am getting the HD DVR box and an HDMI cable.

I also have an Xbox 360 and it looks amazing on it. You can see a HUGE difference between them which leads me to believe the grainy Digital Cable is mainly due to S-Video.

If the new box and cable doesn't satisfy me, I may take it back. But again, if the HD channels look like the Xbox does, it is definitely a keeper.
thats the 720p/1080i set I was looking at. You definetly need to get rid of the s-video connection. Is that sale only for a limited time or is that the price?
Sale Price. "Normally $1499"
 

stinkynathan

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Originally posted by: new2AMD
BB has the westy 42" monitor for 999. The 1080p version is only online and costs a bit more. Is it really necessary? How does SDtv look on either of these? Anyone compare either of the westys to the olevia 542i? That one at least has a built in tuner. Ive been researching a lot and am getting confused.

link to the 42" 1080p version?
 

Tiamat

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Im also debating on the Sceptre 42" 1080P LCD at Costco. I have a buddy with membership there.