Ya gotta love Hollywood.. Anti War but Pro Child molester.

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It seemed as you were attempting to mitigate his actions by bringing up legality of other states and her sexual activity.

My point is there isn't anything that could and will mitigate Polanski's actions.

I approach this differently b/c I work almost exclusively with children. The mitigating factors ALWAYS matter. There's a huge difference between a kid who fondles a classmate b/c someone is fondling him VS a kid who fondles b/c he's trying to get off. The former is abuse compounded by the ignorance of the children the latter is a budding sex offender.

IMO, there is NO mitigating factor for 43 year old man to have a sex with a 13 year old.

With Polanski, one mitigating factor is that he did not forcibly have sex with her . . . although it's not strong b/c I believe she wasn't looking for sex . . . just an opportunity. Her previous sexual experiences come to bare on the second factor which is she was not hurt by the experience. That doesn't mean Polanski or any other dirty old man out having consensual sex with teen prostitutes or typical American teen without adult supervision isn't a pervert deserving of punishment . . . but it should not be adjudicated in the same manner as someone arranging meetings with underaged girls over the internet or your garden variety rapist/sexual offender.

Unless you've personally treated this little girl, you simply isn't qualified to state that she wasn't hurt by this incident. We don't know what kind of mental anguish she was/is experiencing from this incident.

I despise pedophiles but Polanski wasn't looking to have sex with a child. He did have sex with a child but if she was 18, 21, or 25 . . . by all accounts his goal was the same. Now if Polanski has a verifiable record of consensual sex with children . . . ie can you find ONE other case . . . forget everything I've said and lock the dirty bastard up for 10-20.

You nor I know what was on his mind when he invited her over to his house. As far as I'm concerned he is a scum and his punishment wasn't severe enough.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ausm

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kemosabe1447 If you were saying I was comparing him to Hussein, I wasn't. Sorry I didn't mean to make that impression but I just feel that people in Hollywood get away with everything just because they are famous and it is annoying.

You bet. Just take Robert Blake for example. If it were any one of us regular schmoes we'd be in jail right now Huh, what's that?? He's in jail? Hmmmm..nevermind

I think the Juice falls into that category also.. 😉

Calling him an actor is what's criminal! In my book he falls under the category of "Fallen Sports Star."

He put a good act on while on the stand 😉

Ausm

 

[przero]

Remove the offending appendage and let him come back.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kemosabe1447
If you were saying I was comparing him to Hussein, I wasn't. Sorry I didn't mean to make that impression but I just feel that people in Hollywood get away with everything just because they are famous and it is annoying.

You bet. Just take Robert Blake for example. If it were any one of us regular schmoes we'd be in jail right now



Huh, what's that?? He's in jail? Hmmmm..nevermind

So would Clinton.

Sorry for bringing that into the thread though...

😱

 

[Mustangrrl]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It seemed as you were attempting to mitigate his actions by bringing up legality of other states and her sexual activity.

My point is there isn't anything that could and will mitigate Polanski's actions.

I approach this differently b/c I work almost exclusively with children. The mitigating factors ALWAYS matter. There's a huge difference between a kid who fondles a classmate b/c someone is fondling him VS a kid who fondles b/c he's trying to get off. The former is abuse compounded by the ignorance of the children the latter is a budding sex offender.

With Polanski, one mitigating factor is that he did not forcibly have sex with her . . . although it's not strong b/c I believe she wasn't looking for sex . . . just an opportunity. Her previous sexual experiences come to bare on the second factor which is she was not hurt by the experience. That doesn't mean Polanski or any other dirty old man out having consensual sex with teen prostitutes or typical American teen without adult supervision isn't a pervert deserving of punishment . . . but it should not be adjudicated in the same manner as someone arranging meetings with underaged girls over the internet or your garden variety rapist/sexual offender.

I despise pedophiles but Polanski wasn't looking to have sex with a child. He did have sex with a child but if she was 18, 21, or 25 . . . by all accounts his goal was the same. Now if Polanski has a verifiable record of consensual sex with children . . . ie can you find ONE other case . . . forget everything I've said and lock the dirty bastard up for 10-20.

Hollywood should be ashamed for making crappy movies but their morality is no more suspect than the 700 Club, Heritage Foundation, or NAACP.

You work with children and you're essentially saying there are some circumstances where an adult having sex with a child is ok? And WTF is "consensual sex with children"?

Please tell us where you work so I can make sure no one I know EVER takes their children there! Do your employers know your views, or share them?!

 

[no0b]

The controversy all started in 1977 when Polanski, then 43, was indicted on six criminal counts relating to having sexual relations with the then 13-year-old Samantha Geimer.

All I needed to hear leave him in exile.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I watched this interview

Mitigating factors NEVER excuses . . . it just means consensual sex between adults, consensual sex between teens, consensual sex between a teen and adult, consensual sex while under the influence (which by definition is not necessarily consensual), and every iteration of nonconsensual sex are legal or illegal based on context. While consensual sex between adults is typically lawful . . . it is not ALWAYS lawful. And I can certify that nonconsensual sex happens quite often within legal relationships (marriage) often by force.

I can get into Geimer's mind no more so than what she has publicly acknowledged. If anything her primary complaint is the public accusing her or her family instead of focusing on Polanski's crime. While her mother should have been there and Geimer should have been abstient those issues are irrelevant. The interview on TV painted a different portrait than this web story. I never heard her say she said NO . . . just that she was caught by surprise and did not invite him.

I stand by her words that the conduct did far less harm if any compared to the public (read Hollywood and holier than thou zealots) reaction. Polanski gave her money which I think is appropriate but society should extract payment as well . . . if that's another stint in jail, long term probation, fine, or all of the above I don't really care. But your proselytizing under the auspices of the morality and justice of law is pure BS.

Yet hearing that she did tell him NO and he acknowledges that it was NOT consensual moves him farther down the continuum . . . at least to Mike Tyson territory . . . but not full fledged sexual predator.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

You work with children and you're essentially saying there are some circumstances where an adult having sex with a child is ok? And WTF is "consensual sex with children"?

Please tell us where you work so I can make sure no one I know EVER takes their children there! Do your employers know your views, or share them?!

I'm not employed . . . I serve. Don't tell me what I'm essentially saying . . . let a couple of neurons fondle one another so you can understand EXACTLY what I'm saying. Every 13, 14, and 15 year old that I've come across that's been having consensual sex with a 19-35 yo man makes my blood boil. Truth be told I consider anyone under 25 at least child-like in our society even though I'm barely out of the cohort myself. Do I condone sex between minors . . . absolutely NOT. Do I condone sex between minors and adults . . . absolutely NOT. Is there ANY scenario under which I believe an adult having sex with a child is OK . . . NO! Are there scenarios under which an adult having sex with a child is LEGAL . . . yes, in America there are states where an adult can marry a 14yo. A sad state of affairs but true no less. And our government for decades has felt little need to bring morality to bare when dealing with countries like Saudi Arabia or Indonesia where the societies all but endorse such practices.

There is no doubt that these little hot-arsed children know HOW to have sex without having the ability to REASON. Technically, I consider that nonconsensual but the law doesn't require such logic in practice. I've consented people for all kinds of medical procedures when I know full well they really don't understand. Unethical . . . maybe. Immoral . . . I think so but medicine doesn't take kindly to rocking the boat particularly when you are a steward or first mate (medical student or resident).

On the topic at hand, children need supervision to protect them from themselves, sexual predators, and a society that sells with sex on a 24hr cycle.

It's none of your damn business where I work but you can rest assured that EVERY child that I've treated would be hard pressed to find a more fervent advocate . . . including telling them how to fend off boys and men alike. The last 14yo I instructed on birth control didn't make me proud but since she was deflowered at 13yo and doesn't reliably use condoms I can do no more than encourage her to dig with a spoon instead of a shovel.

Adults having sex with children is a shameful blight on OUR society and a crime that should be punished under ALL circumstances but with careful assessment of said circumstances. Children having sex with children is a pandemic which will not be mollified by rants of the self righteous against Hollywood. Hollywood is a symptom not the disease.

 

[hagbard]

 

[Geekbabe]

After what he went thru at the hands of Charles Manson,I'd say the man's been punished enough to cover the sins of several lifetimes.

 

[exp]

I see the rape apologists are once again coming out of the woodwork to support Polanski...