YA(Auto industry)T - Michael Moore on Larry King CNN

[evident]

I normally think that moore is a nutjob and think he went off the deep end w/ farenheit 911, making up lies and exaggerating when he simply coulda told the truth and get the same effect.

He's on larry king talking about the bailout of the big 3. he has mixed feelings like i do about it. it's interesting to hear him talk about it since his family was from flint, MI.

are you guys watching? what do you think of his opinions?

 

[Cuda1447]

Flint Michigan is a shit hole. What did he say about it?

 

[ProfJohn]

Cliffs?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjGfFSv4L_w

 

[Thump553]

Definately need Cliff's-Moore is very hard to take when he goes on his rants (like he does on King). Plus that god-awful cheesy beard on his triple chin-ug.

The parts I caught-the common rant about the problem a couple of decades in the making, management needs to be replacing, forcing cars on the public it doesn't want.

New to me-GM is currently investing $300M in building a SUV plant in Russia. Plus I've seen from other news reports that GM is currently actively seeking to boost its investment in a Chinese carbuilding venture.

I didn't see the entire interview, couldn't stand it. But from my viewpoint, any bailout of the US auto industry had better be tightly structured to create US jobs and to turn the companies around. Propping up the corporate structure so they can move their business offshore is not an acceptable option to me at all.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Flint Michigan is a shit hole. What did he say about it?

Ponticrack is alot worse than Flint.

Either way I wouldn't listen to that dumbass, he has been against the GM since his families(iirc) and others lost jobs there. He is one of those people that can lie very well.

 

[Deliximus]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Definately need Cliff's-Moore is very hard to take when he goes on his rants (like he does on King). Plus that god-awful cheesy beard on his triple chin-ug.

The parts I caught-the common rant about the problem a couple of decades in the making, management needs to be replacing, forcing cars on the public it doesn't want.

New to me-GM is currently investing $300M in building a SUV plant in Russia. Plus I've seen from other news reports that GM is currently actively seeking to boost its investment in a Chinese carbuilding venture.

I didn't see the entire interview, couldn't stand it. But from my viewpoint, any bailout of the US auto industry had better be tightly structured to create US jobs and to turn the companies around. Propping up the corporate structure so they can move their business offshore is not an acceptable option to me at all.

agreed. but i do find moore quite compelling to watch (not his physical aspects).

 

[Kuragami]

In my opinion Moore hit the nail 100% on the head.

Watch the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?".

The whole system is the problem. You can no longer make an argument that it is not feasible to make electric cars or that they don't go fast or don't go far enough or that they don't have performance or that you can only have one and not the others. The technology is there and has been there for a very long time and had they spent some effort in researching in that area we would have been where we are today many decades ago. The vast majority of research on this front has been done by either individuals, schools, or very small companies.

One of the largest problems is a lack of mass transit in North America. Canada is in the same boat. One major advantage of Russia during its collapse was an extensive cheap mass transit system that allowed the population to be flexible, which is what we lack. We depend almost exclusively on motor vehicles and this allows a small group of corporations to control a large part of the population because you end up spending money you could have instead spent on better health, better school for your kids or more time off from work.

Everything Moore said is exactly what needs to occur but it is only a partial solution to a corrupt system. This doesn't touch upon monetary policy and the two are heavily linked. Obama should take over the Fed and print his own money with only a tiny interest paid on it, which would go back to the people since they would own the Fed. This way whatever money is used to finance the mass transit and transportation program would be easily paid off and benefit everyone.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Kuragami
In my opinion Moore hit the nail 100% on the head.....

The whole system is the problem. ~~snip~~

Generous Motors has always been about short-term profit. They could care less about market share, new and emerging technologies or anything else.

I thought Roger and Me was great. Hard to believe it's been 20 years - and how appropriate is it that Moore tried to track down Roger Smith at the yacht club and fancy gym when this year BigAutoCo flies to Washington in their private jets with their tin (bailout) cups in hand?

 

[Stunt]

American manufacturers were not concerned about offering a full product line; they moved resources to the most profitable divisions: Service and SUVs.

Even to this day the profit from an SUV is many times greater than profits on a small cheap car. In GM's eyes, 1 SUV = 10 cars; so why invest in cars. Similarly with service, they realized this was a high margin business and life cycle engineering was created to increase service visits and maintenance. This gave their quality a bad reputation, combine that with a product line unable to cope with increasing oil prices and you have a dead company.