XP1700+ TBred (OEM) for $51 shipped at Newegg

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larciel

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rebagged means that the CPU was "SUPPOSED TO' run at the rated speed, (for ex 2400+ or 2600+, but failed the tests), so they downgrade it and sell it as lower speed cpu, rather than throwing it away.

so chance of hitting the original speed is very low, but hey, if it does, cong to you :)
 

cc510

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hmm...well after i put it in today the bios shows it up as "Unknown CPU Type", and I just set it as 1700+ for now so it's "Unknown CPU Type 1700+", and it's asking me for replace an invalid system disk (there's nothing in any of my drives), but when I press any key it just boots into windows anyway..

By the way I have an Abit KR7A-Raid mobo...so I'm guessing I just need to update the bios, in which i'm trying to back up my raid now so it won't destroy my data (the newest bios updates from 2.31 to 2.32)

I'm just wondering if anybody's ever had this problem and maybe can give me some solutions or is it for sure just the bios that I need to update?
 

Krakn3Dfx

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Well, some good came out of this. Last night to set up the new PC with the 1700+ I pulled a 512MB stick of PC2700 out of my AthlonXP 2400+ machine, which has never been able to overclock worth a damn and wouldn't even run at 166MHz FSB. On a whim, I tried it with only a single stick of 512MB PC2700 left in the box, and now my 2400+ is running at a nice 2158Mhz (166x13). I'm happy :)
 

larciel

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i got one today from newegg

and it's date is 0224 .WTF ???

of course it's tbred A

mine's supposed to be stepped down of 2600+ .. i'll be amazed if it even reaches 2100 :p

 

minendo

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Finally got mine up and running on an Epox 8rda with pc2400 Corsair XMS. Doing 2.005ghz with no problem at 43C under full load. Heatsink is an AX-7 with panaflo L1A.
 

PremiumG

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Originally posted by: cc510
hmm...well after i put it in today the bios shows it up as "Unknown CPU Type", and I just set it as 1700+ for now so it's "Unknown CPU Type 1700+", and it's asking me for replace an invalid system disk (there's nothing in any of my drives), but when I press any key it just boots into windows anyway..

By the way I have an Abit KR7A-Raid mobo...so I'm guessing I just need to update the bios, in which i'm trying to back up my raid now so it won't destroy my data (the newest bios updates from 2.31 to 2.32)

I'm just wondering if anybody's ever had this problem and maybe can give me some solutions or is it for sure just the bios that I need to update?

does the KR7A automatically unlock the Tbreds?


 

cc510

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I thought the thoroughbreds were unlocked by default?

if you're asking was I able to overclock it with my mobo, then yea
I'm able to hit 2ghz at default voltage with a temp of around 35 C at idle, haven't tried any higher.

And I seem to be having a problem with warcraft 3 running with it, at 2ghz the graphics glitch and flicker before taking me to a blue screen. At default speeds, it just locks up and forces me to restart the computer. Everything else seems to run fine on both default and o/c'd speeds

and just a note war3 worked fine before i made the switch to tbred
I'm wondering if it's the tbred, the new mobo bios (which by the way identifies it as an Athlon XP CPU now), or maybe my gfx card (compatibility issues?)

well maybe i should be posting in the technical help section...but just thought i'd throw this out there for anybody who knwos what i'm talking about
 

larciel

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on side note, after getting 0224 XP1700 from newegg, which didn't even hit 150mhz FSB, i went to mwave and bought one retail 1700+ and OEM1700+

retail is LTC and code of MPMW purple solid color Die, running at 169mhz FSB at default volt.. going to try higher.

OEM is UTC and code of VPMW blue-ish die color .. downgrade from 2700+ , and acording to the site, this should oc VERY well.

date of retail is 0310

OEM is 0312 :)

 

larciel

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retail can't go above 170mhz,

i'm cruising at 173mhz w/ OEM 0312 VPMW right now.. runing prime95
 

demenion

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well, I got my tbred 1700 A :( :( :( from newegg today

I have it running at 11 x 172 (1.9 ghz)
 

LetapVJ

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I got mine today from Newegg and I can't tell which one I got please help me verify if it is A or B TBred? Thanks

AXDA1700DLT3C
9798908260227
AIRGA0224MPMW
 

Kenny0829

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AIRGA0224MPMW
A0224

Tbred " A " week 24 of 2002

seems like newegg has a LOT of old chips shipping out
 

Karaktu

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I got a Tbred "A" from Newegg earlier this week that maxes out as a 2400+ at 1.7v or 2200+ at 1.65v (default is 1.5v).

Not bad, but for $65.50 shipped, I've been getting JIHUB Tbred "B" chips from Excalibur PC that do 2600+ at 1.7v (default is 1.65v) and seem to runner cooler doing it. One of these days, I'll go for 3000+. :)

Joe
 

VirtualLarry

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Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but that "downgraded from" stuff is pure speculative (IMHO) BS.

CPU chips aren't made for different speeds - they're all made off of the same line, and tested. Certain chips will go to higher speeds (at certain voltages), and those are "binned" to higher speed grades. The only time that a CPU chip is "downgraded", is if there is a market demand for a lower speed grade, when there are only higher speed grades in stock at the mfg. In that case, yes, they will remark them, but they won't put that information right on the front of the chip in human-readable/decodable form, and if they were remarked, then they should hit those higher speed grades literally effortlessly (no vcore adjustments).

But given the number of reports of: a) not being able to hit the supposedly "original" speed grade, even with additional vcore, and b) some numbers in that field being wildly out of range of AMD's current and planned CPU speed grades (numbers in the 60+ range), the theory (completly unsubstantiated if you read the original thread that it was taken from - it was invented by some kid in Singapore or Malaysia, I think) just doesn't make sense.

(For an example of a "true" "downgraded" CPU, consider the original 0.25 2.0v PII-300 SL2W8 stepping. Those chips (nearly 99% of them), would do 450Mhz, without any vcore adjustment, just change FSB speed and go. Since comparable PII-350 and PII-400 chips of the same era had difficulty reaching 450Mhz stable, rumor/legend has it that these chips were originally planned on being 450Mhz chips. However, the "true" 450Mhz PII chips, had a modified heatspreader compared to all of the other PII speed grades. So perhaps they were planned to be sold as 450s, but Intel chose to re-design the heatspreader for better cooling at that speed, and then sold those "original" 450 chips as 300s, simply by changing the default FSB speed detected at the Slot-1 edge-connection. But *no-where* on the chips is there any external marking that would indicate that they were "downgraded". That sort of information is only kept internally by the CPU mfg, if at all, and only xref-able by the lot/fab/production-run numbers, which is what I suspect that entire number field is for on the AMD CPUs, not some "downgraded from" speed grade.)

The only thing that gave this vicious internet rumor any sort of credibility whatsoever, is that AMD XP chips often overclock (given some additional vcore) to real-Mhz speeds, approaching or in some cases surpassing their "XP-speed rating", which in the BIOS often shows an XP-speed rating of nearly what those speculative "downgraded from" numbers show (since the most common numbers in that field seem to be 26 or 28).
 

nutxo

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dunno, mines runs stable at 2.2ghz all day long, who cares if its rebadged, dowwngraded or shot out of a pigs butt at supersonic speed before i got it.
 

PedoClown

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I got a TBred 1700+ from Newegg a couple weeks ago and, to my surprise, the L1 bridges were uncut so the simple old pencil trick works flawlessly.

Too bad a bridge (L5? L7? I Don't remember) has to be cut in order to access the higher multipliers. Scribbling on my processor is one thing but I'm not gonna start chipping away at it to pass the 1.67GHz barrier. And dropping my low quality RAM down to 100MHz just to overclock the FSB would probably only let me break even, at best, in games. But I can't complain, it whoops the Duron it replaced.
 

slycat

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how come Excalibur has 3 1700+ versions all looking very similar with same codes?...
2 brown pcb and 1 green pcb.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: PedoClown
I got a TBred 1700+ from Newegg a couple weeks ago and, to my surprise, the L1 bridges were uncut so the simple old pencil trick works flawlessly.

Too bad a bridge (L5? L7? I Don't remember) has to be cut in order to access the higher multipliers. Scribbling on my processor is one thing but I'm not gonna start chipping away at it to pass the 1.67GHz barrier. And dropping my low quality RAM down to 100MHz just to overclock the FSB would probably only let me break even, at best, in games. But I can't complain, it whoops the Duron it replaced.


why write on anything, do the wire trick :) it rocks

 

touchmyichi

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i'm pretty ticked. I have a 50 dollar credit card thing i got for XMas that I want to use on one of these. The problem is I live in the state of CA, so i have to pay a tax on it. Very dumb. Do you guys think it will drop to around 46-48? If it did then I could use this card on it. BTW, is there a good chance of getting a 1700+ t bred B?
 

phatboi

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don't think it'll drop any time soon. maybe in a few months. better to just go ahead and get it and pay the tax. i've read the reviews some people on Apr. 9 and 10th have gotten Tbred B's still. but it's still luck of the draw. good luck man.