XP updates until 2019/ good idea or bad ?

[Virgorising]

Some is not most.

Pretty much what is not supported for sure is games that are DX10+ only.

Yes running XP at this point is poor choice, but for many many it is the only choice.

Copy that.

 

[Guest essential]

Some people would prefer that I give up Win XP, but the fact is that I cannot. My present Notebook has all of the Ram it can take and that will not permit me to install Win 7, or Win 8. I just happen to like Win XP, after all these years, plus I dual boot with Ubuntu 12.04. I had a little trouble with XP, at the start (2003), like its failing due to an error on my part. And then loosing a HDD. And, replacing the motherboard due to a power jack failure. I always reinstalled from the XP, quick recovery discs, and kept getting up, so to say. I'm staying with XP, as long as it will stay with me.

 

[nemesismk2]

just got the next patches for windows xp which are:-

Security Update for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2957509)
Security Update for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2939576)
Security Update for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2957503)
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB2957689)
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - June 2014 (KB890830)

 

[gmaster456]

Some people would prefer that I give up Win XP, but the fact is that I cannot. My present Notebook has all of the Ram it can take and that will not permit me to install Win 7, or Win 8. I just happen to like Win XP, after all these years, plus I dual boot with Ubuntu 12.04. I had a little trouble with XP, at the start (2003), like its failing due to an error on my part. And then loosing a HDD. And, replacing the motherboard due to a power jack failure. I always reinstalled from the XP, quick recovery discs, and kept getting up, so to say. I'm staying with XP, as long as it will stay with me.

If your machine can handle Ubuntu 12.04 than it can handle Windows 7. What are the specs?

 

[sweenish]

Some people would prefer that I give up Win XP, but the fact is that I cannot. My present Notebook has all of the Ram it can take and that will not permit me to install Win 7, or Win 8. I just happen to like Win XP, after all these years, plus I dual boot with Ubuntu 12.04. I had a little trouble with XP, at the start (2003), like its failing due to an error on my part. And then loosing a HDD. And, replacing the motherboard due to a power jack failure. I always reinstalled from the XP, quick recovery discs, and kept getting up, so to say. I'm staying with XP, as long as it will stay with me.

Claims to not be able to give up XP.

Also boots Linux.

I'm pretty sure any XP-era software can be run through wine with little to no issue.

XP is dead. Long live XP. Users like you just need to let it die.

 

[Ketchup]

I was thinking about this thread earlier today, and honestly guys and gals, I don't see what the big deal is.

Windows provides easy access to the registry for anyone with the correct account settings, so if adding an entry makes this "theft" so simple, blame the geniuses at Microsoft for making it that way.

Is anyone using this tweak going to be contacting Microsoft for anything? Highly doubt it. Sine first having a computer in the early '90s, I can only recall one instance where I called Microsoft for anything about Windows, and that wasn't even for my computer.

 

[Torn Mind]

XP, nice, comfortable user experience...until some godforsaken piece of spyware, malware, or something invades your system and renders it broken and not like it was out of the box. Even with it all patched up, it still had vulnerabilities after vulnerabilities. Sheesh, Microsoft wanted to retire XP 5 years before this year, but the netbook craze gave it extra life, along with enterprise lobby, I guess. During that extended lease on life, countless security updates were released for XP. Yep, so many vulnerabilities found, and I'll bet there's still more waiting to be discovered.

Using IE was basically walking through a landmine. Sure not running as an admin could've helped, but you just feel so limited when you're not using it as admin. XD And some folks never used virus protection or disabled it because the computers were so damned slow. I was one of them. lol. I did use anti-spyware utilities.

 

[Torn Mind]

Some people would prefer that I give up Win XP, but the fact is that I cannot. My present Notebook has all of the Ram it can take and that will not permit me to install Win 7, or Win 8. I just happen to like Win XP, after all these years, plus I dual boot with Ubuntu 12.04. I had a little trouble with XP, at the start (2003), like its failing due to an error on my part. And then loosing a HDD. And, replacing the motherboard due to a power jack failure. I always reinstalled from the XP, quick recovery discs, and kept getting up, so to say. I'm staying with XP, as long as it will stay with me.

Windows 7 can be installed on computers with 1 GB of RAM. No, it won't blaze at all and overuse the page file, but it is "permitted" on the system.

A computer that can take only two 256 MB modules will cost you your time and electricity bill. I doubt the processor your computer has is even a Pentium M, but rather some old Pentium 4-M clunker that can barely crawl in just browsing the Web. Maybe even a Pentium III laptop from 1998 or 1999. Or you're just a one post troll.

 

[Guest essential]

If your machine can handle Ubuntu 12.04 than it can handle Windows 7. What are the specs?

I've heard too many complaints of Win 7, blocking dual booting. It requires disabling something or other. I would not be interested.

Claims to not be able to give up XP.

Also boots Linux.

I'm pretty sure any XP-era software can be run through wine with little to no issue.

XP is dead. Long live XP. Users like you just need to let it die.

Wine, I've looked at. Too much disc space required. I can't spare it, at this point in time.

Windows 7 can be installed on computers with 1 GB of RAM. No, it won't blaze at all and overuse the page file, but it is "permitted" on the system.

A computer that can take only two 256 MB modules will cost you your time and electricity bill. I doubt the processor your computer has is even a Pentium M, but rather some old Pentium 4-M clunker that can barely crawl in just browsing the Web. Maybe even a Pentium III laptop from 1998 or 1999. Or you're just a one post troll.

It's a Pentium 4, with at least 1 gig of ram. But, I'm not interested in speed, rather, accuracy. I make adjustments for copy/downloads, etc., so as not to have (speed fault) problems later on.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I've heard too many complaints of Win 7, blocking dual booting. It requires disabling something or other. I would not be interested.

Nope, it doesn't block dual-booting at all. My friend dual-boots Windows 7 and Linux Mint all the time.

Wine, I've looked at. Too much disc space required. I can't spare it, at this point in time.

Time to upgrade the HDD then. Or the entire computer.

It's a Pentium 4, with at least 1 gig of ram. But, I'm not interested in speed, rather, accuracy. I make adjustments for copy/downloads, etc., so as not to have (speed fault) problems later on.

Are you concerned that newer PCs are "inaccurate"? LOL.

Two-post troll, indeed.

 

[RampantAndroid]

It's a Pentium 4, with at least 1 gig of ram. But, I'm not interested in speed, rather, accuracy. I make adjustments for copy/downloads, etc., so as not to have (speed fault) problems later on.

Accuracy of what? What degrades this accuracy?

 

[Torn Mind]

I've heard too many complaints of Win 7, blocking dual booting. It requires disabling something or other. I would not be interested.

All dual boot setups could cause trouble for some people. But 7 can be dual booted with XP or a Linux distro. I personally have done both with no issues. One was a netbook in which my sister physically and irreversibly borked the install partition and I had to switch over to Debian out of necessity. The other was on a Pentium 4 computer with XP.

It's a Pentium 4, with at least 1 gig of ram. But, I'm not interested in speed, rather, accuracy. I make adjustments for copy/downloads, etc., so as not to have (speed fault) problems later on.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Analog_vs_Digital

Use a phrase besides "does not permit me to", because that is not synonymous with "can install but don't want to".

A new CPU and the rest of the system is not going to make file integrity any worse or better. That's because digital signals are either/or. The 0s and 1s are the same or they're not. You do checksum checks for file integrity, not hold onto old hardware under misguided notions of guaranteed file integrity.

Speed of the processor has nothing to do with file errors if running within stock specifications. Computers use digital signals, not analog. If you want to live in peace that the computers' calcuation can be obserably correct, build yourself a fortune and can one of those ancient analog computers from the 1940s. There, you can visually verity every calculation, instead of worrying about electrical signals being incorrect in a Pentium 4, since the difference between a P4 and a Haswell in terms of doing calculations are exactly the same.

It is only with overclocking does silent data errors creep in, provide the electricity coursing through the system is not badly filtered(ripple/noise suppression).

Also, your original point was that you wanted to keep XP, which can be installed on CPUs all the way up to Ivy Bridge, not your alleged benefits(which don't exist) of the Pentium 4. If you want to continue being a masochist and deal with an obscenely slow time-waster, be my guest. Even if you're mistaken and misguided, no one can put a gun to your head to change.

 

[chimaxi83]

I've heard too many complaints of Win 7, blocking dual booting. It requires disabling something or other. I would not be interested.




Wine, I've looked at. Too much disc space required. I can't spare it, at this point in time.





It's a Pentium 4, with at least 1 gig of ram. But, I'm not interested in speed, rather, accuracy. I make adjustments for copy/downloads, etc., so as not to have (speed fault) problems later on.

Is the computer also cold with solution?

 

[Guest essential]

Nope, it doesn't block dual-booting at all. My friend dual-boots Windows 7 and Linux Mint all the time. - VirtualLarry

O.K., maybe I'm misinformed.

Time to upgrade the HDD then. Or the entire computer.

Hardly. Why do I need Wine?

Are you concerned that newer PCs are "inaccurate"? LOL.

No. But, perhaps the problem regarding speed and error's, is now corrected!? I don't know for sure, I'm just saying that 'speed' DL's, etc., have been known to, and may still, cause error's.

 

[Guest essential]

Accuracy of what? What degrades this accuracy?- RampantAndroid

As stated in a previous reply; my understanding is, that excessive 'speed' can cause error's during downloading, etc.

 

[Guest essential]

All dual boot setups could cause trouble for some people. But 7 can be dual booted with XP or a Linux distro. I personally have done both with no issues. One was a netbook in which my sister physically and irreversibly borked the install partition and I had to switch over to Debian out of necessity. The other was on a Pentium 4 computer with XP.-Torn Mind

Great, glad to hear it. Is Windows 7, still supported? If so, until what date?

Use a phrase besides "does not permit me to", because that is not synonymous with "can install but don't want to".

Btw, what would be the incentive for installing Win 7? And, I feel no humiliation, because I prefer something that others do not. I would rather think for myself.

 

[Guest essential]

Is the computer also cold with solution? - chimaxi83

umm, please elaborate!

 

[VirtualLarry]

As stated in a previous reply; my understanding is, that excessive 'speed' can cause error's during downloading, etc.

Overclocked systems, not done properly, can cause errors in data ("bit rot"). It's no so much the speed itself, but the fact that the overclock is unstable.

At least for stock speeds, accuracy is basically guaranteed by the mfg. That's not to say that certain combinations of CPUs and motherboards and RAM can't be unstable; you do need to do your job of system integration properly if you are building your own system.

The long and the short of it is - "unstable" systems can cause errors; "fast" systems do not.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Great, glad to hear it. Is Windows 7, still supported? If so, until what date?




Btw, what would be the incentive for installing Win 7? And, I feel no humiliation, because I prefer something that others do not. I would rather think for myself.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

As stated in a previous reply; my understanding is, that excessive 'speed' can cause error's during downloading, etc.

I still don't understand this; speed doesn't cause any errors. Do you mean CPU speed, download speed? Speed of what?

Overclocked systems, not done properly, can cause errors in data ("bit rot"). It's no so much the speed itself, but the fact that the overclock is unstable.

At least for stock speeds, accuracy is basically guaranteed by the mfg. That's not to say that certain combinations of CPUs and motherboards and RAM can't be unstable; you do need to do your job of system integration properly if you are building your own system.

The long and the short of it is - "unstable" systems can cause errors; "fast" systems do not.

This.

To be a little more technical, it's about whether the CPU can form a proper square wave.

From: http://www.edwardbosworth.com/My5155Textbook_HTM/MyText5155_Ch06_V06.htm

The bottom line there is a square wave. Ignore the middle one unless you read the article. The top one is what your CPU is doing. It takes time for the voltage to rise to the level required to form a "1" and drop back to "0" - if you try to move things too fast, the CPU may not have enough time to hit the voltage required to actuate the gates (it might not have time to rise all the way up and go back down.) But that's if you overclock. If you leave things as they are sold from AMD, Intel or so forth, there will be no issues for the most part.

 

[Ketchup]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Interesting link. So, is Microsoft saying that any version of Windows 8 (8.0, 8.1, whatever comes next) will actually be supported through 2018/2023?

 

[RampantAndroid]

Interesting link. So, is Microsoft saying that any version of Windows 8 (8.0, 8.1, whatever comes next) will actually be supported through 2018/2023?

Assuming whatever is released next is 8.x, I guess so?

 

[Ketchup]

Assuming whatever is released next is 8.x, I guess so?

Yeah, that just seems odd. Wasn't there a site that was saying if you don't have Win 8 update xxx, your support would end?

Course, I guess 8.1 isn't exactly an 'update' so in some ways they are the same, and some ways not.

Gosh I hope Microsoft doesn't pull this point 'whatever' crap again!

 

[Torn Mind]

@Guest_essential

Proper preservation of downloaded files means making backups, whether offsite on an Internet server or on spare hard drives.

I do not have a degree in Computer Science and I never took a class in beyond high school electricity in physics, but I have been able to get a limited understanding of how chips work.

Downloading is hardly a processor-intensive process. Having downloaded my fair share of files from file sharing sites, there were instances of corrupted files that landed on my Pentium 4-based computers, but that could have been a whole host of factors that caused it. Maybe the software, or the other person's computer had a bad hard drive. It could have been a bad stick of RAM.

Computers are not mechanical systems like revving a car. CPUs are like souped up calcuators, a bunch of integrated circuits. The Pentium 4 is already well past a barebones integrated circuit and electrically works under similar principles to an Ivy Bridge chip.

"Current" microprocessors work by applying voltages to certain pins and then the electrcity "flows" into the chip and its circuits, which could contain capacitors, resistors, and other components, all at a microscopic level; you can't see what is going on. Errors can occur when there is an electrical fault.

Current Intel and AMD CPUs "work" by sending clock signasl, and it does its work with each sent signal and there are millions or billons of these signals sent every second. Overclocking can create an electrical fault in the way RampantAndroid showed.

Overclocking, which is running the processor above and beyond its specified specs, can cause data errors. However, overclocking is blocked on practically every big box computer, so the source of electrical faults will be elsewhere, such as bad RAM, bad PSU output.

As I said before, you can upgrade your hardware(up to Ivy Bridge chips, no Haswell) and keep using XP(legally activated is preferred).

Windows 7 can be downloaded for free and tried for 30 days. It would probably not do so well on your current hardware, however, as 1GB of RAM is just too close for comfort for Windows 7.




As an aside, one of the things to just sit back and dwell on for a moment is how the modem, router and the the coax/phone/fiber connection that links your house with another computer possibly millions of miles away is able to access a file and somehow the file does not get an error from that.

 

[ViRGE]

Yeah, that just seems odd. Wasn't there a site that was saying if you don't have Win 8 update xxx, your support would end?

No. Windows 8.1 is the Windows 8 service pack. 2 years after the service pack is released, support for the previous version ends.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=16796

Support for Windows 8.0 ends on 12/01/2016.

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifecycle-Windows81-faq

 

[RampantAndroid]

No. Windows 8.1 is the Windows 8 service pack. 2 years after the service pack is released, support for the previous version ends.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=16796

Support for Windows 8.0 ends on 12/01/2016.

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifecycle-Windows81-faq

This - 8.0 is supported in that you can download 8.1 (and 8.1 is supported in that you can download 8.1U1) - same as 7 being supported in that you can download SP1. Only once you upgrade to the latest service pack will you recieve the individual security updates and whatnot.