Xp reactivation--How many of you have used up your five lives?

dpick

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I bought Xp OEM when it was first released. I've upgraded a couple of times, reinstalled a couple of other times, and I add new hardware often. Now, I have used up my five activations, and reactivating over the phone is a hassle.

Today, I upgraded my video driver. I have not changed any hardware since building this system (when I had to do a phone activation, too), and Xp started up and said, "Major hardware changes..blah, blah, blah...reactivate." I just changed my video driver!


So, I called and refused to type in the nearly 30 numbers into the phone. I have a big monitor, those numbers are tiny, and if you screw up one, you do the whole thing over again. So, I mumbled until the automated response gave up, and I got a real person. Now, it's not the lady's fault I'm reactivating. It's not her fault she can barely speak English. It's not her fault she works for a company that treats their customers like thieves.

But she heard about it.

She was nice, heard me out, but we had to go through the whole process. I told her it will be a couple of years until Longhorn is released. I will change plenty of hardware and update plenty of drivers until that happens. And I'm going to have to call every time to be allowed the privilege of using their OS that I paid for.

Since it's been a couple of years or so since Xp's release I wonder how many of you have used up your five lives? If you build systems, play around adding hardware, reinstall a couple of time, it's easy to use up your activations. I guess my point is writing to M$ is like pissing in the wind. So, I'll do non-violent protest every time I go through this. I'll get a real person, take as long as possible to work through the process, and hopefully if enough people do this it will start to cost major dollars since there must be there must be thousands who are hitting this "milestone."

Have a nice day and think twice about that new nVidia driver...
 

Netopia

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I don't know what you mean by five lives. Whenever I've reloaded XP I've had to reactivate by phone. EVERY TIME.
 

RalfHutter

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I've jumped through that WinXP hoop at least 50, if not 100 times. Just part of the "fun" of using a legitimate copy of the OS and changing hardware constantly.
 

mikecel79

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Originally posted by: RalfHutter
I've jumped through that WinXP hoop at least 50, if not 100 times. Just part of the "fun" of using a legitimate copy of the OS and changing hardware constantly.

You've re-installed XP or changed hardware enough that it trips activation over 100 times since it was released? So you average a XP install roughly every 10 days or so? Wow maybe you should look into WHY you are reinstalling so much.
 

Budman

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After buying a real genuine copy of XP I wonder if one could use legaly a copy he aquired that doesnt need activation? or some kind of hack that disables activation?


I am not suggesting anything,just asking a question. Mod's please dont ban me :)
 

MrChad

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1. Activation is not that big of a deal. Honestly, it should only take a matter of minutes and I haven't heard of Microsoft hassling anybody about it.
2. I've never heard of driver installation triggering an activation. What installation process did you go through?
3. If you really want to protest, drop Windows and switch to Linux or some other operating system.
 

mehmetmunur

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After you have activated your windows XP save your wpa.bak and wpa.dbl files under system 32 folder. After you reinstallation copy them back onto the new system 32 folder. No need even to go online. If you have not changed hardware, it will not cause you any headache, and also completely legal.
 

skyking

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Take a look at my heat link. I have tested almost all that hardware on this install, and I have never reactivated or reinstalled..... what are you guys doing?:p
 

imported_Kiwi

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Originally posted by: mehmetmunur
After you have activated your windows XP save your wpa.bak and wpa.dbl files under system 32 folder. After youR reinstallation, copy them back into the new system 32 folder. No need even to go online. If you have not changed hardware, it will not cause you any headache, and also completely legal.
Before I ran my first XP install, I'd been advised to reduce the size of the hardware "footprint" by answering the install's question about usage with "Laptop", which eliminates a great deal of checking that relates to docking stations on those. I became irritated at the silly OS rather soon and uninstalled, didn't get to test whether the laptop setting helped or not. But I also *had* saved the "wpa" files, just in case.

(And then later when I wondered if I had been too impatient with XP-Home, and gave XO-Pro a try, I found it even more annoying. Both are on a software shelf where stuff goes that I may never mess with again.)



:thumbsdown:
 

spyordie007

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I've also never seen a driver installation trigger an activation (typically changing your video card shouldnt even trigger one); is it possible you changed your video card out in conjunction with the driver installation?
So you average a XP install roughly every 10 days or so?
Even if that were the case he wouldnt have to reactivate; Windows will operate for 30 days before requiring activation ;)
I guess my point is writing to M$ is like pissing in the wind. So, I'll do non-violent protest every time I go through this. I'll get a real person, take as long as possible to work through the process, and hopefully if enough people do this it will start to cost major dollars since there must be there must be thousands who are hitting this "milestone."
Though I agree that frequently activating can be a hassle I think you're playing this up a little.

I do suggest though that you take your complains to somebody who will do something with it (I doubt that the folks who handle the activation hotline really are going to do much if you complain about it). I'd suggest making a post on the product suggestions page:
http://register.microsoft.com/...Fmswish%2Fthanks%2Ehtm
 

Navid

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Originally posted by: mehmetmunur
After you have activated your windows XP save your wpa.bak and wpa.dbl files under system 32 folder. After you reinstallation copy them back onto the new system 32 folder. No need even to go online. If you have not changed hardware, it will not cause you any headache, and also completely legal.

This used to work when XP was in beta testing mode and when it was initially released.
Since SP1, this technique has not worked anymore.

Even if it did work, it would only work if he did not change any hardware. As soon as he changes a hardware component that requires re-activation, your suggested technique will definitely fail.
 

Spearhawk

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What I can't understand is why this "feature" is there in the first place, I can't see it doing any good. I mean they have released a version that doesn't requier activation for large organisations (like universities), which version do you think is being pirated?
 
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I think what we should do is constantly install or make it make us call, and start calling MS's 800# so many times that it because so expensive for them to staff and pay the phone bill they will give up on the whole idea. Or just use a corporate cd.
 

mikecel79

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Originally posted by: Spearhawk
What I can't understand is why this "feature" is there in the first place, I can't see it doing any good. I mean they have released a version that doesn't requier activation for large organisations (like universities), which version do you think is being pirated?
Microsoft never said this would stop all pirating of its software. They only put it in to stop casual pirating of software.

Here's an example. Someone local to me offers services to fix computer problems. They perform this out of their home for people that aren't so computer savvy. In the past one of the services they performed was upgrades to Win2k. Well it turns out she was using the exact same key for every single installation and charging customers $150+ for the license and the upgrade and they were buying nothing!

Now part of this could have been blamed on the user but most of the time they were just happy to get their machine back in working order and in the meantime they were pocketing all the money. Can you imagine if she did this with XP and one of the pirated corporate keys? When the end user goes to install SP1+ they are going to have a fit.

Like I said this was never intended to stop mass pirating of XP, it was only to stop the casual copying or pirating from small shops like I mentioned above. Here's a link to a thread about this.

BTW even the corporate editions need a license key, but they don't need activation.
 

Geforcer

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I've only had to call them 1 time to get it activated, and then SP2 came out and I upgraded. Reinstalled not long after, and I was able to activate over the net again. So I guess SP2 gave me some more lives :D
 

AnonymouseUser

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Originally posted by: MrChad
3. If you really want to protest, drop Windows and switch to Linux or some other operating system.

Amen.

I did just that. WinME is the reason I went to Linux, WinXP is the reason I am staying with Linux.

Unfortunately, though, I do own a retail copy of XP, and after a recent motherboard swap got the dreaded "OMG, THEEF! ' reactivation message after reinstalling XP. Mandrake didn't complain once, swapping the mobo was completely painless, and I legally use the same copy of Mandrake on 2 machines.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: mikecel79
Originally posted by: RalfHutter
I've jumped through that WinXP hoop at least 50, if not 100 times. Just part of the "fun" of using a legitimate copy of the OS and changing hardware constantly.

You've re-installed XP or changed hardware enough that it trips activation over 100 times since it was released? So you average a XP install roughly every 10 days or so? Wow maybe you should look into WHY you are reinstalling so much.

OTOH, why should that matter? If the user paid for the software, they should be allowed to use it freely. I hope all of those phone calls are on MS's dime. Perhaps MS should get billed for the user's time as well, since MS is intentionally using that time by causing activation hassles. Just IMHO, of course. I'm not a fan of 'activation' technologies, not by any means. At least MS is (currently) being rather lenient about it, by letting people re-activate, at all, even if it is after a telephone hassle.

I've seen cases where people purchase retail-box software (Norton SystemWorks, I think), because of issues they were having with their machine, and because of those issues, they used up their five activations trying to get it installed and working (after a few restorations from backups during the process), and were then told "tough luck - buy the software again, if you really want it!". What kind of BS garbage is that?

IMO, 'activation-ware', is just another name for stealing from your customers. Look at Valve with their Steam service, taking it to another level, with stealing prior paid-for games from a user's account, after it is banned for allegedly stealing HL2.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Spearhawk
What I can't understand is why this "feature" is there in the first place, I can't see it doing any good. I mean they have released a version that doesn't requier activation for large organisations (like universities), which version do you think is being pirated?

To unneccessarily hassle paying customers, of course. It's all about annoyance, and losing market-share. Look at what happens with the copy-protection mechanisms used by early PC games, things like floppy disks with physical defects located at precise locations, and what happened to the playability of that game once the floppy wore out, etc.
 

zerocool84

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yea ive just started going through this this last 2 months now. everytime i install something new or clear my bios or uninstall some hardware it says bla bla bla 2 many times bla bla bla ur key wont work, call them, talk to "Jane" or "La Quita" from India. it is a pain in the butt having to do it almost every other week and say those million numbers and hear that stupid beeping sound all the time. well im not about to buy another copy but im having to deal with it since im messin with my comp so much and seeing wut works and wut doesnt.
 

EndGame

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Wow, this activation by MS must be selectively more scrutinizing on some systems.

I have 4 systems total running, all with XP (two also dual boot with Linux) my boys both updated their video cards, reinstalled and it took online and this after I updated their systems in October with new sound cards and one with a Hauppage PCTV350 card all of which was also activated online. I also recently added a Hauppage PCTV350 card and a BFG 6800GT, added a third SATA HD, reinstalled and activated online.

I was told the basic premise is that you have 3 reinstalls every 4 months allowed without having to phone in. The copy I'm using presently is XP Pro alone, no SP1 or SP2 added in and I've never had to call in to reactivate it.
 

dpick

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Originally posted by: MrChad
1. Activation is not that big of a deal. Honestly, it should only take a matter of minutes and I haven't heard of Microsoft hassling anybody about it.
2. I've never heard of driver installation triggering an activation. What installation process did you go through?
3. If you really want to protest, drop Windows and switch to Linux or some other operating system.
1) Obviously, you haven't talked to Norma from India lately....I don't think she was hassling me, but I don't know. We weren't exactly speaking the same language.
2) Now you have. I built this system two months ago. I've changed nothing inside (other than really cool cold cathode lighting). Remember when you uninstall your vid driver and restart, your computer sees a new hardware device--bingo. Reactivation, at least for me.
3) So, I don't like the idea of reactivation of an OS I bought, so I should buy something else and the thousands of dollars of software to go with it?

Originally posted by: spyordie007
I've also never seen a driver installation trigger an activation (typically changing your video card shouldnt even trigger one); is it possible you changed your video card out in conjunction with the driver installation?

See #2 above. I think I (and my credit card) would have remembered a new card. I think the original post made it quite clear it was just a driver. That's what made me so upset about the whole thing.
 

VirtualLarry

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Hey, was it a VIVO card, or otherwise include a tuner device? If you install DX9, it installs MS's "BDA" - broadcast data architecture or something like that. It installs a hidden 30Mbit/s network adaptor device, that you cannot remove, nor disable. If MS wanted to broadcast Windows' updates via MSNBC, and the signal could be recieved, there's no way to disable that NIC. Wonderful, eh? Anyways, just wondering, because network cards/MAC addresses are one of the activation trigger items.
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: dpick
Originally posted by: MrChad
1. Activation is not that big of a deal. Honestly, it should only take a matter of minutes and I haven't heard of Microsoft hassling anybody about it.
2. I've never heard of driver installation triggering an activation. What installation process did you go through?
3. If you really want to protest, drop Windows and switch to Linux or some other operating system.
1) Obviously, you haven't talked to Norma from India lately....I don't think she was hassling me, but I don't know. We weren't exactly speaking the same language.
2) Now you have. I built this system two months ago. I've changed nothing inside (other than really cool cold cathode lighting). Remember when you uninstall your vid driver and restart, your computer sees a new hardware device--bingo. Reactivation, at least for me.
3) So, I don't like the idea of reactivation of an OS I bought, so I should buy something else and the thousands of dollars of software to go with it?

Originally posted by: spyordie007
I've also never seen a driver installation trigger an activation (typically changing your video card shouldnt even trigger one); is it possible you changed your video card out in conjunction with the driver installation?

See #2 above. I think I (and my credit card) would have remembered a new card. I think the original post made it quite clear it was just a driver. That's what made me so upset about the whole thing.


Had to try this out. I just went from nVidia driver 67 to 70.90 and then again to the latest beta 71.20 and everything went smoothly. No problems, no request for reactivation, nothing. I then went to my wifes which has a 9800AIW and updated the drivers for her card. Again, no problem whatsoever.

You seem to have a really bizarre problem. It's like the O/S reset itself and somehow made it seem as if you actually made multiple changes to your hardware. I've changed video, sound, TV, controller cards (not at the same time and in different systems) without reinstalling and not had a request to reactivate. It seems MS may have some problems with their activation procces beyond it being a PITA in the first place.
 

dpick

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You seem to have a really bizarre problem.

I don't dispute you there. With my old system I did tons of stuff before it triggered a reactivation. But this is the first thing I have done--and it was merely a driver. The weird thing is it's a P4 cpu with an Intel board. About as plain as they come. I built this for stability.

Weird.
 

Nocturnal

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Did you feel good after you yelled at the rep because you had to pick up a phone and reactivate Windows?