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XP Pro to Vista Premium is the switch worth it?
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AnonymouseUser
Diamond Member
Wait for Vista to come out of BETA. If XP is any indication, that should be when Service Pack #2 is released.
pcslookout
Lifer
Yes. Windows Vista 64 bit will work great on that machine. Go ahead and do it!
andrei3333
Senior member
i have vista ultimate 64 and all my drivers work aside from and aside from a few really old and obsolete programs i have no issues
go ahead and take the plunge, after SP1 vista has been fixed, its a way better os in terms of safety, feel/look, and programming of course...
go ahead and take the plunge, after SP1 vista has been fixed, its a way better os in terms of safety, feel/look, and programming of course...
I heard this somewhere before, could be speculation, could be not, but if you buy retail of a version (premium, ultimate, etc.) that both the choices for 64 and 32 bit are open to you. *That is only what I've heard*. But I know for a fact that if you purchase OEM, you must buy the specific type of system (32bit or 64 bit)
RebateMonger
Elite Member
Since you are changing from XP Professional to Vista Home Premium, be aware there are some feature differences. Vista Home Premium adds Media Center stuff, but takes away Remote Desktop, the ability to join a Domain, and has reduced built-in backup features compared to Vista Business and Vista Ultimate.
I was bored this morning so I went up to thw Microsoft website to check out the different Vista OS available and read the questions and tips for installing the product.
I decided to try microsoft advisor for Vista to see if I could and should move to Vista.
I was bored so I let it check my current system and then advise me on which to purchase. Funny thing happened, it somehow recognized my business software installed on the computer and advised me to purchase the Vista Business OS....
RebateMonger
Elite Member
I'd guess it just saw "XP Pro" and immediately suggested Vista Business.
Really, though, although it costs more money, if you are performing business operations on a PC, then the "Business" or "Ultimate" versions may be a time- and money-saver over the long run. The fancier versions offer Shadow Copies that will instantly restore an older version of a document, for instance, which can save a ton of time in the case of an accidental overwrite of a file.
I'm sensitive to this because I see so many offices that have purchased the "wrong" version of XP or Vista and it's expensive to do the needed OS upgrades to make a functional business network.
For people who want the Business features plus the Media Center features, the obvious choice is Ultimate. It's not that pricey in the OEM or Retail Upgrade versions. Retail Ultimate (even the Upgrade version) also gives you both 32-bit and 64-bit disks in the box.
andrei3333
Senior member
i can confirm that vista ultimate gave me the option of 64 VS 32 at install time
Spicedaddy
Platinum Member
really? I thought the retail Ultimate came with both media (32 and 64), but they were separate DVDs.
Anyways, the upgrade path for XP Pro is Vista Business. And get the x64 version with that much ram.
Butterbean
Banned
I just installed a new mobo and Vista Ultimate a few days ago (OEM 32 version - didn't see a 64 option during install and didnt ecpect one). So far I dont like Vista much even though it has some nice features. Worst of all is the noise. The drives are constantly grinding away doing indexing. People say "oh just let it do its things and then it settles down and runs smooth" - but even after that it still indexes and grinds. If you record a 90 minute movie Vista will still be grinding gears and "digesting" the new data long after movie is over.
I purposely build PC's to be mostly quiet. I get the passive coolers for the video cards etc. Vista is a horror show as far as noise goes. Luckily the indexing/searching can be disabled and I did so and now its not too bad except for first 10 minutes or so at start up. Before that my cpu was going at 35% while doing nothing (2 days after install even). If I put something like Nero Burning elements on which also does indexing/searching I would have 10% of cpu left for me.
My clock was also stuck on PM when it was AM (I fixed that). IE freezes once every hour. My Epson scanner wont work despite a Vista driver. The "Delete" option is missing in left margin menu in "Pictures" but I have all this other rubbish I wont use and cant seem to edit as yet.
On the plus side I like Aero and I like the volume control. Vista makes volume the same between apps. No more turning volume way up to hear a radio station with low volume and then getting me head blasted off on a MySpace page.
I haven't run games yet but I expect to like it ok that way. I fear putting Steam on just yet, and having that do its thing on startup while all the other crapolla is going on at the same time. I know I can take it off startup and will.
I am glad I have Vista for DX 10 but after that I could care less for this. If I am building another PC tomorrow I am using XP again. My ZoneAlarm alerts were going crazy with permissions when the indexing and searching were on. I swear it was like I owned 75% of pc and someone else owned the other 25%. My biggest impression of Vista so far is that of a growling stomach that's just making lots of noise all day while your trying to read and do things.
I purposely build PC's to be mostly quiet. I get the passive coolers for the video cards etc. Vista is a horror show as far as noise goes. Luckily the indexing/searching can be disabled and I did so and now its not too bad except for first 10 minutes or so at start up. Before that my cpu was going at 35% while doing nothing (2 days after install even). If I put something like Nero Burning elements on which also does indexing/searching I would have 10% of cpu left for me.
My clock was also stuck on PM when it was AM (I fixed that). IE freezes once every hour. My Epson scanner wont work despite a Vista driver. The "Delete" option is missing in left margin menu in "Pictures" but I have all this other rubbish I wont use and cant seem to edit as yet.
On the plus side I like Aero and I like the volume control. Vista makes volume the same between apps. No more turning volume way up to hear a radio station with low volume and then getting me head blasted off on a MySpace page.
I haven't run games yet but I expect to like it ok that way. I fear putting Steam on just yet, and having that do its thing on startup while all the other crapolla is going on at the same time. I know I can take it off startup and will.
I am glad I have Vista for DX 10 but after that I could care less for this. If I am building another PC tomorrow I am using XP again. My ZoneAlarm alerts were going crazy with permissions when the indexing and searching were on. I swear it was like I owned 75% of pc and someone else owned the other 25%. My biggest impression of Vista so far is that of a growling stomach that's just making lots of noise all day while your trying to read and do things.
Gamingphreek
Lifer
Before you swear it off and start bashing it, how about you read up on some of Vista's "under-the-hood" features"!
Indexing can be turned off if you don't search much. Any other hard drive noise you are talking about seems like you didn't install something right or like one of your other programs is doing something in the background. Also looks like you just complained that if you let Nero index things then you lose some processor cycles as well - well yea that tends to happen when a program runs -_- ...
Also, if you are going for a noiseless system, you shouldn't be able to hear your HDD in the first place. Stupid question, but are you sure one of the bearings haven't gone in your fans or something - unless you have a wafer thin aluminum case, and a 15K SCSI drive, it shouldn't be aggravatingly loud.
Your clock is frozen on PM? I have never even heard of that problem and it seems like an isolated incident that can be fixed with a reinstall or something.
I'm not sure why zone alarm would be going crazy. UAC will alert you when you try to open or execute a file (Which is good despite what certain less educated people say). Auto Updates might be running in the background and check the internet. Outside of that, one again, it isn't Vista, it is YOUR programs.
-Kevin
Butterbean
Banned
Thanks for tips. I have Auto updates turned off. I cant blame my programs because I didn't install hardly any at time of first post. The Nero I mentioned came with my DVD drives and it will use 50% of my cpu when it's indexing feature runs. I disable that feature but I wonder how people who might not know about that "feature" could survive with that common app on a Vista pc that is also sucking resources doing its own indexing.
I do search now and then but I dont need nuclear search built into my OS and becoming such a drag. Someone decided that Search/indexing was going to be a central part of Vista experience and I really question the need or motivation for that.
My Dives are WD 750 AKKKS drives that are normally pretty quiet quiet and less than a year old. When XP was on the PC all I heard in the silent early AM hours was crickets. A person would need listen close to even figure if PC was on. I put on Vista and it was like a whole other PC "whaaaa.nic..whaaaa nic (indexing sound). The sounds are gone now that search is disabled.
I've never been a MS basher and looked forward to Vista. Now that I have it I see it has some great features and some awful ones. I like the way games look on it (did finally install steam etc) and I am sure I can tweek a lot of the issues. However I think things like a steroidish search/indexing function is a horrible thing and cant see why anybody would put that on a laptop especially. On a 1 to 10 I give Vista a 6.5 I know MS reconfigured a lot of under the hood functions and perhaps that boeds well for the future.
Well I bought the Retail version of Vista Ultimate, I bought it off Ebay and it was listed as
You are bidding on a RETAIL copy of Windows Vista Ultimate, not an upgrade, OEM, etc.
This copy is good for 1 computer.
Reading his discription sounds like it is a NEW retail package, but I am old and sometimes not savy on how discriptions can be deceiving.....
I will see when I get it in a few days if it is what I thought I was buying
You are bidding on a RETAIL copy of Windows Vista Ultimate, not an upgrade, OEM, etc.
This copy is good for 1 computer.
Reading his discription sounds like it is a NEW retail package, but I am old and sometimes not savy on how discriptions can be deceiving.....
I will see when I get it in a few days if it is what I thought I was buying
eternalone
Golden Member
I took off vista off my machine, wait for Windows 7. Im sure it will be sooner than later, being how many people despise crappy vista. Im sure windows 7 will be in beta release by summer.
I never understood the argument that the computer should not be using resources while it is idle. As far as I'm concerned, it should be doing as much as possible for system maintenance/indexing/superfetching during idle time. The real question is: when you actually use the computer, are those background tasks reducing performance? If not, I fail to see what the issue is.
hans030390
Diamond Member
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Jeff7181
Lifer
Even a week is not enough time to give Vista to "settle down" and stop accessing the hard drive so frequently. After it's done indexing it's learning your usage patterns, moving things in and out of the Superfetch cache. Once it has learned that, you'll see a lot less disk activity.
Regardless, I can't hear when my hard drive is being accessed and I didn't build my computer specifically to be quiet. I think if you have and you can hear your hard drive being accessed you may have picked the wrong hard drive.
Regardless, I can't hear when my hard drive is being accessed and I didn't build my computer specifically to be quiet. I think if you have and you can hear your hard drive being accessed you may have picked the wrong hard drive.
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