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XP or XP pro? for stand alone work station?

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Originally posted by: STaSh
It's the exact same OS plus some bloat that's not useful for average home networks
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Support for 2 CPUs is not bloat.
The ability to join a domain is not bloat.
EFS is not bloat.
Group policy is not bloat.
Advanced NTFS ACL'ing is not bloat.
Remote desktop is not bloat.

All of these have a negligible impact on CPU and memory performance.
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Agreed, all of those features are rather useful to advanced users, but for what the OP wants to do, entirely uneccesary 🙂

(Not picking a fight here, I'm agreeing more than anything that the features are definitely not bloat)
 
What are these in simple definitions?

The ability to join a domain is not bloat.
EFS is not bloat.
Group policy is not bloat.
Advanced NTFS ACL'ing is not bloat.


Thanks

I ask because I don't know.
 
Originally posted by: Mongoo
What are these in simple definitions?

The ability to join a domain is not bloat.
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Joining a domain is not something you'll be doing, I'll wager. A domain is most commonly used in an office, and it's a collection of computers, centrally managed, with specific access rights. If it's going to be a regular home PC then don't worry about it.
EFS is not bloat.
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EFS = Encrypted File System. This basically means that XP Pro can encrypt files so they cannot be viewed outside of your user account. While this may initially seem like a good idea, for home users it's disastrous if you have to reformat the PC and need access to your files.
There are way to backup your encryption "settings" (or Private Key), but for the most part, if your data cannot be lost, then don't use encryption.

Group policy is not bloat.
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Again, this mostly applies to corporate use of Windows XP- it allows system administrators to apply certain access rights and security levels to the machines so the users can't go playing 😉

Advanced NTFS ACL'ing is not bloat.
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Nothing to worry about; XP Pro has more comprehensive filesystem security controls. Under XP Home, you can deny other users access to, say, "My Documents", and XP Pro has a more comprehensive and flexible way of achieving the same goal. 99.9% of home users won't need this; it's mostly advanced users and serious geeks 🙂

Thanks

I ask because I don't know.
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Hopefully, now you do 🙂
Hope this helps!
 
Call me dumb (jvarszegi) and call me a moron (Dopefiend) but what if Mongoo WANTS to learn about and use advanced features and functionality; perhaps in the future if not right away? With a little effort you can find deals on XP Pro and if you don't use the extras so what? And if for some reason you DO....well there it is. I just ordered XP Pro for a new machine I'm building through a deal between Microsoft and my local community college for $80 taxed and shipped. Check the college in your area Mongoo and see what you can find out. Taking an interesting class or two, getting a deal on XP Pro; i like it! And if you don't want to go to the trouble, then I humbly agree with the others, XP Home is just fine for what you want to do.
 
Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

No i didn't spend money on my copy. My cousin recieved it via school so it was an enterprise edition. It is legal, he got it during a computer class at school. So he let me install it while he was visiting.

-Kevin
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So it's not legal then. Unless you own and have ownership of said copy of XP, it's not yours, it's your cousins. So, you're a pirate.
How's that working out for you?
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It is mine. My cousin got it and gave it to me. What is hard about that to understand? He got it through school and then just gave it to me. He already had a copy, and didn't need another. There is nothing Illegal about it.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: jvarszegi

You just wasted money, which is dumb.
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OK, I humbly agreed with you and you flamed me again. As I said, I paid $80 for XP Pro taxed and shipped. If that's wasting money then OK, you got me, I'm dumb. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

No i didn't spend money on my copy. My cousin recieved it via school so it was an enterprise edition. It is legal, he got it during a computer class at school. So he let me install it while he was visiting.

-Kevin
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So it's not legal then. Unless you own and have ownership of said copy of XP, it's not yours, it's your cousins. So, you're a pirate.
How's that working out for you?
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It is mine. My cousin got it and gave it to me. What is hard about that to understand? He got it through school and then just gave it to me. He already had a copy, and didn't need another. There is nothing Illegal about it.

-Kevin
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So he let me install it while he was visiting
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Gamingphreek: It's definitely illegal because you don't go to that school and didn't take that class. Nor is it legal for him to use it at home if he's no longer in that class.
 
Originally posted by: BCinSC
Gamingphreek: It's definitely illegal because you don't go to that school and didn't take that class. Nor is it legal for him to use it at home if he's no longer in that class.
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No if that was the case dont you think they would have put a timer on it?

It is legal. What would you rather me take his copy and him keep the school copy!? It makes no difference, im not stealing or pirating.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: STaSh
Based on what he is going to be doing, its bloat to him.
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I'm not saying he needs any of that, but none of it fits the definition of bloat. Bloat is a word that is bandied about frequently here, usually inaccurately.
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Bloat is lots of unecessary features or software that comes packaged with whatever you are getting. He needs none of this, and the point to the thread is which version is better for him for his money, so it is accurate to call all this bloat in this context.
 
Bloat is lots of unecessary features or software that comes packaged with whatever you are getting. He needs none of this, and the point to the thread is which version is better for him for his money, so it is accurate to call all this bloat in this context.
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No. That is the (incorrect) definition of bloat that people use with increasing frequency to describe features that they do not like or feel are necessary. More often than not, what they describe is not bloat at all.

'Software bloat is a derogatory term used to describe the tendency of newer computer programs to use larger amounts of disk space, more CPU power and/or more RAM memory (sic) than older programs.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat

Additional features in software that may be unnecessary to some users is not bloat, unless that software has a noticable impact on the resources of the computer (HDD, CPU and RAM). Which is why none of the additional features in XP Pro are bloat. They have a negligible impact on performance.

Is XP Pro and its extra features unnecessary in this case? Probably. Are those features bloat? No.
 
Originally posted by: STaSh
Bloat is lots of unecessary features or software that comes packaged with whatever you are getting. He needs none of this, and the point to the thread is which version is better for him for his money, so it is accurate to call all this bloat in this context.
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No. That is the (incorrect) definition of bloat that people use with increasing frequency to describe features that they do not like or feel are necessary. More often than not, what they describe is not bloat at all.

'Software bloat is a derogatory term used to describe the tendency of newer computer programs to use larger amounts of disk space, more CPU power and/or more RAM memory (sic) than older programs.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat

Additional features in software that may be unnecessary to some users is not bloat, unless that software has a noticable impact on the resources of the computer (HDD, CPU and RAM). Which is why none of the additional features in XP Pro are bloat. They have a negligible impact on performance.

Is XP Pro and its extra features unnecessary in this case? Probably. Are those features bloat? No.
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Yes. They do hit one resource, the wallet. The are extra unecessary features that cost you more. More cost, no extra benefit, bloat. You forgot the bottom line 😛
 
Originally posted by: STaSh
If they are unnecessary and give you no extra benefit, don't buy it.

Still not bloat.

🙂
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And that's the whole friggin point to the thread. Wow, what wasted space.
 
Which I stated multiple times. I wasn't the one who told you to extend the thread by bringing up an erroneous definition of bloat again 5 posts up, was I?

Whatever. OP, buy what you think will do the job. If you have extra cash and think you might want to learn about the features of Pro, go with Pro. Otherwise Home will suit you just fine.
 
Originally posted by: STaSh
Whatever. OP, buy what you think will do the job. If you have extra cash and think you might want to learn about the features of Pro, go with Pro. Otherwise Home will suit you just fine.
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Good advice.
 
XP pro has something more than Xp
visit microsoft's website to understand the details
Microsoft Word?
its not included, but word pad is included
 
Originally posted by: funggorgor
XP pro has something more than Xp
visit microsoft's website to understand the details
Microsoft Word?
its not included, but word pad is included
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Wow, you really have reading & comprehension issues with threads, huh?
 
If you shop wisely you can get xppro oem for around $100.00, so with that in mind the extras included could be viewed as worth it.
eg
If you have more than 1 user, having the access management controls could save you from reinstalling the os after someone else trashes it.
I have run into this a lot.
 
Originally posted by: tiap
If you shop wisely you can get xppro oem for around $100.00, so with that in mind the extras included could be viewed as worth it.
eg
If you have more than 1 user, having the access management controls could save you from reinstalling the os after someone else trashes it.
I have run into this a lot.
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If by "access management controls" you mean the Security tab, then you can get to that in Safe Mode using the Administrator account.

Otherwise, I have no damned idea what you're talking about.
 
Originally posted by: tiap
If you shop wisely you can get xppro oem for around $100.00, so with that in mind the extras included could be viewed as worth it.
eg
If you have more than 1 user, having the access management controls could save you from reinstalling the os after someone else trashes it.
I have run into this a lot.
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They aren't "worth it" for many reasons already stated.
 
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