xp-120 and fan questions

[MidNiteMysT]

first, ide like to introduce myself cuz im new to the board. just to warn you guys, im really good at asking questions, haha. i have a antec p160 case

1)first question, i remember when i first built my comp, i didnt put enough thermal compound and the processor was running really hot and i didnt know it cuz i didnt have windows installed and didnt know what the temps should be running at. i installed windows (who knows how hot it was running that whole time) then when in windows, i installed my intel software and saw how hot i was really getting. then messed with a bracket when the comp was still on (stupid me) and it loosened the contact and cause my processor to get really hot and shut down. when i turned it on it said (shut down because of thermal, get serviced asap). should i be worried? did i damage the cpu or the motherboard by this happening? should i get them replaced? i added enough thermal compound and everythings fine now, just a little concerned.

now i plan on getting the xp-120 for my comp. just a few questions about that. i made a order for the xp-120 from newegg but put it on hold till i know what i want. if im gonna get a panaflow, im gonna order everything from bestbyte.net, but if i get a fan that new egg has, i will order from them even though its more expensive there, their customer service and shipping is amazing so i mind the extra cash for them. i heard panaflow is pretty much the best. just a few concerns i have.
1)when i mount this monster xp120, it will prob block my exhaust fan. how much of a problem will this be? i feel like its gonna cause my case temps to go up and i really dont want that. should this be a cause for concern?
2)should i go with the panaflow L1A or the M1A? im also curious if it has rpm sensing as long as i attach this wire connector? would that work or the rpm has to be built into the fan? i could also get this antec fan but it seems to only have 2 wires meaning no rpm sensing which kinda sux. so which fan should i get?
3)should i upgrade my exhaust fan? it seems kinda stupid that the heatsink fan will be so powerfull and the exhaust fan is as strong. i currently have the antec led fan that came with the come there. maybe i should put the panaflow for the exaust and antec led fan on the heatsink? or maybe just get two panaflows, one for the heatsink and one for the exhaust fan? i think the exhaust fan should be more powerfull then the heatsink fan.

hopefully you guys can help clear up me up on what i should buy/do. thanx.

 

[Regulator07]

1) if it works ok now you should be ok, it shuts down to make sure heat does not damage it, but i would not make a habit of it, but lesson learned, dont do that again, any time you are playing with hardware it is a bad idea to do it while the comp is on

2) it whould not be a problem, the fan on the xp120 will blow down onto the cpu and mobo, and will then just be exhausted out the back on one side, should not be a problem, plus having the extra air blwoing on the ram or mobo should help

3) i would go with a panaflo, that is what i have on my xp120, as for speed that is up to you, i have the high one @103cfm @2500rpm, and it is BX (which means it has rpm sensing, some of the others do not, it should say) and i use asus q-fan on my mobo to automatically slow it down, on load it only goes to like 1200rpm and is very quiet. (i am also biased to panaflo's, i think they are excellent fans)

4) i dont think you need to upgrade your exhaust, if you want to that is a different story, i have a 120mm exhaust that has a speed dial on it, so i can keep it real quiet when idle and then turn it up when i game, i find in my case it is better to have negative pressure (more out than in)

i would look at Sidewinder computers, they have the xp120 and a great variety of panaflo's and deltas, and they ship VERY fast, faster than newegg (i ordered thursday night and got it saturday afternoon)

 

[yokomo]

I got delta every where, 2 80mm intakes in the rear bring in cool air right to the 92mm on my SI-97. I have 2 80mm in blow holes in the top and a 120mm in the front drawing cool air, and last I have one 120mm in the side window between the cpu and the vid card for more cooling... I am running a xp2400 at 2.3gig and it sits right around 32'c and 36'c under load... but rember with delta's CFM means "can't find mouse" they have some sound to them but I am deaf any way so it really does not matter to me..

 

[MidNiteMysT]

thanx for all the answers. i see that i cant get the rpm sensing with the panaflow since it isnt bx from bestbyte. i will be connecting these fans to my motherboard. i think im gonna go with panaflo since its panasonic and the hydro wave sounds really good. now all i have to decide is if i should get two panaflos, one for the heatsink, and one for the exhaust fan? and what types, L1A, M1A, H1A. they will be connected to the mobo so i dont think i should use the H1A. what do you suggest? just get the L1A for the heatsink and leave everything else alone? or maybe replace the exhaust fan with L1A or M1A too? just a little bummed that these dont have rpm sensing. i monitor my fan speeds and temperatures using intels software and i wont be able to tell how fast the fan is spinning now.

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i find in my case it is better to have negative pressure (more out than in)

thats what i want. thats why im worried about the exhaust fan being blocked that air will build up and not let the air properly exhaust out.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

bump

 

[Regulator07]

if you get the H1A from sidewinder it will come with rpm sensing, if that is what you want and you can use progs to adjust speeds. otherwise i would say L1A for the heatsink and M1A for the exhaust, that way you can switch them if you think the cpu is too hot or whatever, either way you should be good, and you could also invest in a fan controller.

 

[yokomo]

so cut a hole and drop in another fan? if that is what is needed?

 

[MidNiteMysT]

well it looks like sidewinder doesnt have many in stock cept he medium panaflo. and bestbyte doesnt have the L1A anymore for some reason so im left the medium or the high from bestbyte. what do you say about getting just the medium, using that for my exhaust fan, and putting my current antec exhaust fan onto my new heatsink? cuz the panaflow will be more powerfull then my antec fan right? sound like a good idea or should i just get two m1a panaflo's.

and question about the fans power. is it ok to connect these fans to the mobo. will it like overload the fan pin on the mobo? someone told me that once. i just dont want the fan to be too powerful that it overloads the fan 3pin on the mobo if you know what i mean.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

i think i found out something. when i connect any fan to the heatsink fan pin connector, its gonna operate at full speed all the time since its only 3 pin and not 4 pin. if its not a 4pin connection (not molex) its gonna make it operate at full speed all the time. im not sure if this is true or not, but if it is true, that pretty much sux lol. i think i really may be true. my exhaust fan is pretty loud at full speed so if i used that as the heatsink fan, its gonna be pretty annoying.

 

[ericlala]

umm usually 2 pin is for power and the 3rd is for signal. Maybe some of the 3 pins on your MB are only for power. On my DFI ultra D, I have 5 fan connectors but only 3 is controlable via software. The other 2 is for power only.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

i dunno, but its in this article
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-012074.htm
didnt really make sense to me either cuz all you need is 3 pins to be able to control the fan but that article said otherwise...
what do you think? is it true?

if this is true, im prob gonna have to rethink my fan situation.

 

[Regulator07]

if the fan has a 3 pin connector with all three wires (the yellow is usually the rpm sensor) than you can see how fast it is spinning. fan speed is not controlled by the wires, if the fan can be turned on then you can control the speed. the speed is controlled by how much voltage it is fed. feed it the normal 12 volts and it will run at full speed, give it less volts and it will run slower, if you want to control it with software or the motherboard than you need to connect it to a 3 pin header on the mobo, if you want to use a rheostat or fan controller, than you can use any connector (2 pin, 3 pin, or 4 pin molex). Very simply, any fan can be controlled, it just matters how you want to control it. Hope that helps!

 

[MidNiteMysT]

yea, i know what u mean, and i understand. but look at the intel article. thats what confused me. but im just gonna buy the damn fan anyway and see what happens i guess. i guess it back to my other question then.

"well it looks like sidewinder doesnt have many in stock cept he medium panaflo. and bestbyte doesnt have the L1A anymore for some reason so im left the medium or the high from bestbyte. what do you say about getting just the medium, using that for my exhaust fan, and putting my current antec exhaust fan onto my new heatsink? cuz the panaflow will be more powerfull then my antec fan right? sound like a good idea or should i just get two m1a panaflo's.

and question about the fans power. is it ok to connect these fans to the mobo. will it like overload the fan pin on the mobo? someone told me that once. i just dont want the fan to be too powerful that it overloads the fan 3pin on the mobo if you know what i mean. "

 

[Chode Messiah]

go for the panflo, or a yate loon. I'd say nexus, but u don't wan't to spend $17.00 on a fan. Welcome to the AT Forums btw.:thumbsup:

 

[MidNiteMysT]

Originally posted by: Chode Messiah
go for the panflo, or a yate loon. I'd say nexus, but u don't wan't to spend $17.00 on a fan. Welcome to the AT Forums btw.:thumbsup:

that didnt really quite answer my last question, should i get two m1a's or just one and is it ok to connect the m1a to the mobo. check my last post for more specifics on my question. thanx.

 

[Chode Messiah]

get 2 , and I heard it can overload the mobo, so just plug them into a fan controller. U can throttle them back for quieter operation if they bother u.

 

[Regulator07]

i have the H1 and it does not overload the mobo, i put less volts through it but ran it at high for about 2 months no problem, you will be fine with the M1, the only fans you really need to worry about are the ultra high speed panaflo's and the some of the delta, otherwise you are fine

 

[MidNiteMysT]

i ended up ordering the L1A from jabtech and ordered the xp-120 and other stuff from bestbyte. ill follow up when i get my stuff in the mail

 

[Capt Caveman]

The 4pin fan connector on the mobo is for Intel HSF. If you don't use the Intel HSF, a 3pin connector will work fine also. The 4th pin is used by Intel HSF to adjust fan speed based on mobo sensor temps of the CPU.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The 4pin fan connector on the mobo is for Intel HSF. If you don't use the Intel HSF, a 3pin connector will work fine also. The 4th pin is used by Intel HSF to adjust fan speed based on mobo sensor temps of the CPU.

so that means it wont controll the 3pin fan that i connect the mobo for the heatsink? i thought all you need to do is drop the voltage to lower the speed and the monitoring software always monitors the temps anyway.

 

[MidNiteMysT]

well i got my panaflow in, and i connected it to the mobo and it wont let me adjust the fan speed. i guess it HAS to have rpm sensing in order to be adjustable... that really sux. i might aswell just connect it to the power supply then...
im considering sending back the panaflo for a refund because it almost does no good for me if i cant even adjust it. then its the same as my loud antec fan.

 

[live2game]

Try them panaflos are quieter than most stock fans

 

[JBDan]

I use a cooler master 1200 rpm atop my xp120. Sleeve bearing/quiet/cheap @ the egg/ and glows! lol whoopiiee. I dont care much for the led's but it is a quiet fan that keeps my 3500+ Win @ 2.53 around 37 idle/46 load. Ambient is 73 in room.

 

[JBDan]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999063
9 bux not bad.