XM Radio Can't Stop the Bleeding

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most people that have experienced both services prefer Sirius.

Do you have a source for that? I've often wondered if someone has done a real study on what people who have both prefer.

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
am/fm ftw

Ugh... I hope you like hearing the same 20 songs 400 times a day and the same news casts on every radio station. That's what am/fm is like. Except for NPR.

CDs FTW

MP3s FTW

 

[chibchakan]

Originally posted by: fisher
i do know a few people who left sirius for xm when fox news switched (or joined xm? not sure which happened, i just know they are xm subs because of fox news).

Sirius announced Friday it had reached a new agreement to carry the Fox News and Fox News Talk channels beginning March 15. The previous agreement had expired at the end of 2005.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most people that have experienced both services prefer Sirius.

Do you have a source for that? I've often wondered if someone has done a real study on what people who have both prefer.

Just from what I've read and heard, both on these forums and from my own personal experiences when I was trying to decide which to get.

That said I don't want either to fail as I think it's great to have uncensensore Radio that our Repressive Government can't touch no matter how much those assholes from the Religious Right complain

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I think O&A and Stern suck are a bunch of unfunny hacks.

Well it's debatable whether you think at all. Granted they aren't always funny and I know that most women like you find their humor a bit offensive but then when yiou get a bunch of non fegula guys together the humor is often off color.

Tuesday they had one of Stern's guys (Richard Christie) get a bikini wax on air and it had to be the funniest bit I've ever heard anywhere. Pure Comedy Gold!

Def. funny, but that bit with Buck riding the sybian had me gagging in the car

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: chibchakan

Originally posted by: fisher
i do know a few people who left sirius for xm when fox news switched (or joined xm? not sure which happened, i just know they are xm subs because of fox news).

Sirius announced Friday it had reached a new agreement to carry the Fox News and Fox News Talk channels beginning March 15. The previous agreement had expired at the end of 2005.

if they switch back i'll let you know. i'm still holding out for the jungle.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: TheNinja


Exactly, let's say even 2 million joined b/c of Stern.

If you think 2 million people signed up for Sirius because of Stern, then you have some issues.

I'm guessing there's a small number who signed up for Sirius strictly because of Howard Stern... and there's a bit larger number of people who were leaning towards Sirius that the Stern signing convinced to actually subscribe.

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

I think you're delusional. After years of operation they had 600k subscribers, they have 5 times that now and you don't think Stern was responsible for most of that?

Ummm... I think at most Stern might've put enough buzz on Sirius to be taken seriously by some people. But I think you are the delusional one if you think even 1 million subscribers signed up for Sirius just to listen to Howard Stern.

The growth that you see in Sirius can be more attributed to a company finally getting name recognition and precious store shelf space than by signing Stern.

You want proof? Look at XM's growth during their first two years-- it is the same as what Sirius has undergone. I guess Howard Stern was responsible for that as well, too.. huh?

 

[torpid]

Sirius has been doing a lot of advertising these past couple of years. I remember tons of advertising during football games to tout the satellite NFL stuff.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: TheNinja


Exactly, let's say even 2 million joined b/c of Stern.

If you think 2 million people signed up for Sirius because of Stern, then you have some issues.

I'm guessing there's a small number who signed up for Sirius strictly because of Howard Stern... and there's a bit larger number of people who were leaning towards Sirius that the Stern signing convinced to actually subscribe.

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

I think you're delusional. After years of operation they had 600k subscribers, they have 5 times that now and you don't think Stern was responsible for most of that?

Ummm... I think at most Stern might've put enough buzz on Sirius to be taken seriously by some people. But I think you are the delusional one if you think even 1 million subscribers signed up for Sirius just to listen to Howard Stern.

The growth that you see in Sirius can be more attributed to a company finally getting name recognition and precious store shelf space than by signing Stern.

You want proof? Look at XM's growth during their first two years-- it is the same as what Sirius has undergone. I guess Howard Stern was responsible for that as well, too.. huh?

Why is it delusional? He had more than 12 million listeners at one point.... How do you think they got the recognition you refer to? Stern was a big help no doubt.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: TheNinja


Exactly, let's say even 2 million joined b/c of Stern.

If you think 2 million people signed up for Sirius because of Stern, then you have some issues.

I'm guessing there's a small number who signed up for Sirius strictly because of Howard Stern... and there's a bit larger number of people who were leaning towards Sirius that the Stern signing convinced to actually subscribe.

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

I think you're delusional. After years of operation they had 600k subscribers, they have 5 times that now and you don't think Stern was responsible for most of that?

Ummm... I think at most Stern might've put enough buzz on Sirius to be taken seriously by some people. But I think you are the delusional one if you think even 1 million subscribers signed up for Sirius just to listen to Howard Stern.

The growth that you see in Sirius can be more attributed to a company finally getting name recognition and precious store shelf space than by signing Stern.

You want proof? Look at XM's growth during their first two years-- it is the same as what Sirius has undergone. I guess Howard Stern was responsible for that as well, too.. huh?

Well lets see, before Stern left the air he had over 20 million listeners so is it that hard to understand that 10% would follow him over to Sirius? Well I guess for an idiot like you it would be. Trust me, before it's all said and done Stern will be responsible for at least 10 million subscribers.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: TheNinja


Exactly, let's say even 2 million joined b/c of Stern.

If you think 2 million people signed up for Sirius because of Stern, then you have some issues.

I'm guessing there's a small number who signed up for Sirius strictly because of Howard Stern... and there's a bit larger number of people who were leaning towards Sirius that the Stern signing convinced to actually subscribe.

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

I think you're delusional. After years of operation they had 600k subscribers, they have 5 times that now and you don't think Stern was responsible for most of that?

Ummm... I think at most Stern might've put enough buzz on Sirius to be taken seriously by some people. But I think you are the delusional one if you think even 1 million subscribers signed up for Sirius just to listen to Howard Stern.

The growth that you see in Sirius can be more attributed to a company finally getting name recognition and precious store shelf space than by signing Stern.

You want proof? Look at XM's growth during their first two years-- it is the same as what Sirius has undergone. I guess Howard Stern was responsible for that as well, too.. huh?

Well lets see, before Stern left the air he had over 20 million listeners so is it that hard to understand that 10% would follow him over to Sirius? Well I guess for an idiot like you it would be. Trust me, before it's all said and done Stern will be responsible for at least 10 million subscribers.

Was it 12 or 20? I couldnt remember, i know it was over 10....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: TheNinja


Exactly, let's say even 2 million joined b/c of Stern.

If you think 2 million people signed up for Sirius because of Stern, then you have some issues.

I'm guessing there's a small number who signed up for Sirius strictly because of Howard Stern... and there's a bit larger number of people who were leaning towards Sirius that the Stern signing convinced to actually subscribe.

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

I think you're delusional. After years of operation they had 600k subscribers, they have 5 times that now and you don't think Stern was responsible for most of that?

Ummm... I think at most Stern might've put enough buzz on Sirius to be taken seriously by some people. But I think you are the delusional one if you think even 1 million subscribers signed up for Sirius just to listen to Howard Stern.

The growth that you see in Sirius can be more attributed to a company finally getting name recognition and precious store shelf space than by signing Stern.

You want proof? Look at XM's growth during their first two years-- it is the same as what Sirius has undergone. I guess Howard Stern was responsible for that as well, too.. huh?

Well lets see, before Stern left the air he had over 20 million listeners so is it that hard to understand that 10% would follow him over to Sirius? Well I guess for an idiot like you it would be. Trust me, before it's all said and done Stern will be responsible for at least 10 million subscribers.

Was it 12 or 20? I couldnt remember, i know it was over 10....

Well I know he lost a bunch when the Nazi Corporation Clear Channel took him off their stations thanks to the rat Bastards Religious Right and their Lackeys in Government.

 

[tm37]

I have been an XM subscriber for over two years and I love it.

I looked at Sirus and I thought the XM was the better deal (@ the time it was cheaper)

I could care less abnout stern or O&A. I do like the comedy channel and sports talk channels.

The music is OK (I mainly listen to country) and I would so take Base ball over FB on the radio.

I use my XM exclusively in my car and so do the majority of users.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[Well lets see, before Stern left the air he had over 20 million listeners so is it that hard to understand that 10% would follow him over to Sirius? Well I guess for an idiot like you it would be. Trust me, before it's all said and done Stern will be responsible for at least 10 million subscribers.

Only an idiot would lie or exagerate to try to prove a point in vain.

Howard Stern had somewhere between 9 and 12 millions listeners a week when he left.
That doesn't mean he had 9 to 12 million listeners every day-- only that 9 to 12 million people at some point during the week tuned in-- even if only for fifteen minutes.

Now, according to a study (article here) about 23% of self-described Stern listeners said they would follow him to Sirius-- which equates to a to around a total of 2 million subscribers at most.

And that is even assuming that the people sampled are representative of the 9 million that listened to him during any given week. There is something seriously wrong with your thinking if you think Stern is going to pull in 10 million PAID subscribers when only 9 million people listened to him at any point during the week FOR FREE.

The simple fact is Sirius is experiencing the same growth that XM did a couple years ago.

I didn't completely dismiss the Howard Stern effect... but to say Sirius turned itself around solely on the back of Howard Stern is very misguided. I think their pricing options and their other programming (such as NFL, which is HUGE) had as much of an effect as Stern did.

 

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[Pantoot]

Originally posted by: MathMan
And that is even assuming that the people sampled are representative of the 9 million that listened to him during any given week. There is something seriously wrong with your thinking if you think Stern is going to pull in 10 million PAID subscribers when only 9 million people listened to him at any point during the week FOR FREE.

I agree with most of your post, but remember, Stern was only available to a limited market. Now anyone with 13 bucks a month can hear him if they want.

 

[TallBill]

I'll stick with AM/FM or a Mp3 player instead.

 

[Yreka]

As an owner of both, here is my take.

Equipment is a wash for me. Both units sit on my Alpine AI net. They are little boxes that mount in the back with external ant. Damn near identical.

I love O&A, I love Stern, and lil Jimmy Norton is the funniest bastard on any channel *he's a sits in on the O&A show, but isnt there all the time*
I have had XM for years, and used to pay extra to hear O&A when they first got there. Back then Stern sucked ass, in fact he has sucked for years on FM. Now it seems like the tables are turning. Stern is more entertaining than I have ever heard him, and O&A are annoying me because all they do is bitch now that Stern is also on Sat. I think they have an inferiority complex or something, notice the comparisons are between Stern and Oprah, but hardly anyone mentions O&A ever ?

And as far as secondary shows go, Bubba is lame, but JFC.. Ron and Fez are easily the worst thing I have ever heard on the radio.

Sports.. Don't care. I like football better, but i have Sunday ticket. Baseball would be nice, but I get almost all the A's games on local TV anyway.

Music.. I listen to mainly rock, country, classic rock. Very little rap&r&b. The music is WAY better on Sirius. It seems like they have the same channels on paper, but the playlists seem night and day better to me on Sirius.


If I had to pick one to keep, it would be Sirius. In fact, when my XM sub runs out I doubt I will renew. The only thing I would miss would be O&A, but I will most likely bump up my DirecTV sub so I can get them on satalite.

Edit ** forgot about the coast to coast AM show on XM, I am gonna miss that too **

 

[Rainsford]

I love the XM vs Sirius fanboy fights...brings back great memories of the good old days of the Intel vs AMD flame wars. Listen to what you want, jeez, is everyone really that insecure?

 

[zbalat]

Originally posted by: fisher

if they switch back i'll let you know. i'm still holding out for the jungle.

Agreed. Wherever Rome goes I'm going too (assuming the he abandons terrestrial radio). He said today that he will make his decision in a month or so. My guess is a 2 hour show on satellite but where is the question.

 

[JohnAn2112]

I love my Sirius sub. I listen to NHL Live on the way to work and then the metal station for the rest of the day. I looked into XM before I got Sirius but didn't see any real metal stations so I went with Sirius. I also like listening to the various NHL game broadcasts throughout the day too.

 

[BlueWeasel]

I picked up one of the first generation JVC Sirius car kits back in December 2004 for $50. That money, plus the $13 bucks/month subscription, is one of the best purchases I've made.

 

[Starbuck1975]

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

That a majority of those subscribers joined Sirius around the time that Stern made the jump from terrestrial radio to satellite is a mere coincidence then?

I ordered Sirius just to get Stern...I know of or convinced at least 5 other people to do the same.

Look at Opera's audience, as opposed to the idiots who blindly follow Stern, they are women with disposable income

Actually Stern's demographic has a huge white collar contingent of educated white males with disposable income.

As far as Stern is concerned, yes they're paying him a lot of money. But they're getting a whole channel just for him (not just a half hour out of Oprah), plus they have income from his cable PPV channel to add to that, whatever he shows on there they get a slice of.

Actually Stern has two channels broadcasting, with talk of him expanding to more.

Tuesday they had one of Stern's guys (Richard Christie) get a bikini wax on air and it had to be the funniest bit I've ever heard anywhere. Pure Comedy Gold!

The Stern bits on Sirius are some of the funniest things he has done in a decade...and how can you not enjoy tissue time with Heidi Cortez.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

But I'm convinced the vast majority of those 2.7 million new subscribers weren't pursuaded one way or the other by Stern's signing.

That a majority of those subscribers joined Sirius around the time that Stern made the jump from terrestrial radio to satellite is a mere coincidence then?

I ordered Sirius just to get Stern...I know of or convinced at least 5 other people to do the same.

Look at Opera's audience, as opposed to the idiots who blindly follow Stern, they are women with disposable income

Actually Stern's demographic has a huge white collar contingent of educated white males with disposable income.

As far as Stern is concerned, yes they're paying him a lot of money. But they're getting a whole channel just for him (not just a half hour out of Oprah), plus they have income from his cable PPV channel to add to that, whatever he shows on there they get a slice of.

Actually Stern has two channels broadcasting, with talk of him expanding to more.

Tuesday they had one of Stern's guys (Richard Christie) get a bikini wax on air and it had to be the funniest bit I've ever heard anywhere. Pure Comedy Gold!

The Stern bits on Sirius are some of the funniest things he has done in a decade...and how can you not enjoy tissue time with Heidi Cortez.

I thougth they stopped tissue time?!!

 

[imported_Condor]

I still remember when the same things were being said about Amazon.