XFX GeForce 7900 GTX XXX

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: moonboy403
as long as we're satisfied with our own purchase, who cares which card is the best?!

Correct. You are a secure and confident buyer. It seems others need to do a reality check every other thread.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Concerning the differing results foun@G3D and Xtech for the XXX, why wouldn't they be different?

FX60 v. FX57

1gb ram@2-2-2-5 v. 2gb ram@2-3-3-6

Different boards *few percentage point change in performance isn't unusual*, can't tell if the FWs were the same.

Different vid drivers

Guru3D also uses their own custom timedemo for most benchies.

I'd be more apt to raise hell if the results weren't different.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I doubt one driver revision would have as much of an impact on overall scores.

Once again your hypocrisy shines like the sun.

You always cry about a review that does not use the latest driver or is more than a week old and yet here is a review with the latest drivers and is recent and now you have to cry simply because the card you favor lost. Get over yourself.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I doubt one driver revision would have as much of an impact on overall scores.

Once again your hypocrisy shines like the sun.

:sun:

Here's one: Nvidia users have 8.32% more hair on their backs than ATI users and ATI users have penises that are on average 0.22 inches smaller than Nvidia users.

 

[Ackmed]

No other review out there shows any card, win every single test. The fact that they have a normal clocked GTX winning every game test as well, doesnt help their case. Im not saying that they are cheating the tests or anything, but they do not line up with other reviews. No other review that I know of, shows the GTX, or the XTX winning ever tests. They often trade "wins" in different games. guru3d is far from the top of my review sites. I trust FS much more.

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

edit, I am mistaken. The card on newegg that I thought was the XXX, is not. Its clocked at 690, not 700. And 1750, not 1800. So its not even the XXX that $600, newegg doesnt carry the XXX. Does anyone have it in stock? ZZF has it for $800, and out of stock.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards. It was in another thread. Something about 4:1. ATI is continuously cutting prices to push their cards. We all know the X1900XTX is worth more than 410.00. It is a beastly card. But ATI just can't push em like they want you to.

P.S. I think a large contributing factor is the availability and widespread ownership of SLI motherboards, and SLI's maturity over Crossfire. Master Cards and all might not be as appealing as not having to have one to run two cards together. IMHO.

Edit: Typo.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

I could do your research for you. I mean, you are the one knocking the results, not I. I think we all know who needs to prove, or disprove anything right about now.

So in another words, you have absolutely no credible proof to show that the drivers constitute the performance difference between the results obtained by Extremetech and Guru3D and you were talking out of your ass, I thought so.

Show you? I only suggested we should be on the lookout for other reviews utilizing the same driver Guru did. Now your acting all like I stated something for a fact. The review was posted, your knocking the reviews results, so you need, or want, to convince us that it is inaccurate. Not the other way around.

You tried to nullify Extremetech's results as being outdated by referencing a driver revision. I asked you to provide proof that the driver revision makes that much of a performance impact by linking me to a driver review from a reputable source. Now all you're doing is backpedaling. Typical nv troll..

if they didn't provide more performance neither company would bother updating their drivers.

aren't the 84.43s the ones that were released for oblivion, or is this new since then?

 

[BFG10K]

The same card was compared here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1945659,00.asp and the results were different than Guru3D's

That would be because they run totally different benchmarks within the games, among other things.

From the Release Notes (v84.43) you clearly see that the only thing changed is the tombraider stuff. Granted not all changes gets listed but the above test show no other benefits either for performance or IQ.

Exactly.

I think it's quite comical to watch certain individuals demand the latest drivers be used with ATi but then turn around and claim driver version doesn't matter on nVidia cards.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards. It was in another thread. Something about 4:1. ATI is continuously cutting prices to push their cards. We all know the X1900XTX is worth more than 410.00. It is a beastly card. But ATI just can't push em like they want you to.

P.S. I think a large contributing factor is the availability and widespread ownership of SLI motherboards, and SLI's maturity over Crossfire. Master Cards and all might not be as appealing as not having to have one to run two cards together. IMHO.

Edit: Typo.

Care to back that up with some facts, that $600+ GTX's are selling more than $410 XTXs? Make a poll if you like to see which most people would choose. Im betting the XTX by a landslide, or you dont want ot be proven wrong? Who said anythhing about SLI or CF?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards. It was in another thread. Something about 4:1. ATI is continuously cutting prices to push their cards. We all know the X1900XTX is worth more than 410.00. It is a beastly card. But ATI just can't push em like they want you to.

P.S. I think a large contributing factor is the availability and widespread ownership of SLI motherboards, and SLI's maturity over Crossfire. Master Cards and all might not be as appealing as not having to have one to run two cards together. IMHO.

Edit: Typo.

Care to back that up with some facts, that $600+ GTX's are selling more than $410 XTXs? Make a poll if you like to see which most people would choose. Im betting the XTX by a landslide, or you dont want ot be proven wrong? Who said anythhing about SLI or CF?

Do you really care about this that much? Ok then.

Wow, look at this 7900GTX for 509.00 with a copy of TombRaider ($50 value?)

Newegg is absolutely brimming with 7900GTX's now. At least ten models are in stock.

If you noticed Ackmed, in the Guru review, they had the XXX XFX 7900GTX AND a stock 7900GTX bench results. Why spend 600 bucks on the XXX if the stock GTX is doing the job? So the link above demonstrates that a 7900GTX (slightly o/c'd from factory) can be had for about 460.00 if you remove the cost of the Tomb raider game. Not bad at all.

So please don't get all huffy with "Care to back this up". Your going to extremes as folks tend to do when backed into a corner and quotas must be met.

Oh, yes, I almost forgot. If you do not wish to understand why I mentioned SLI and CF, thats one thing. But if you truly do not understand the intended context, that is not my problem.

P.S. I was just able to add 18 of the 509.00 7900GTX's and 99 (newegg limit) of the 519.00 7900GTX's. Seems Nvidia delivered, or vendors finally ordered enough to keep stock up.

P.S.S. This is just from newegg. Other places may be cheaper. Cheapest X1900XTX is 454.00 after 25.00 mail in rebate.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

when it comes to performance, the 7900 GT sometimes outperforms even the X1900 XTX, and it always stays near the top of the pack.

The ignorance with this one is beyond belief. The only game 7900GT beats X1900XT series is probably Pacific fighters, a game no one plays and uses a vertex fetch ATI cards cannot do. Benchmarks without AA/AF do not matter either since no one buys a $300 graphics card and plays in Pure Speed modes. Wreckage you always seem to forget that bringing outliers into a discussion only implies how desperate you are to promote Nvidia. Why don't you mention anywhere that X1900XTX gets 50% faster framerates in FEAR, COD2 and Oblivion and beats 7900GT in 95% of all games, while often getting higher minimum framerates than 7900GTs average. And not in just 1 or 2 games.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

You suffer from a severe case of denial. It's one card. If you have an SLI motherboard you can use two of them.

look at the pictures it only takes up ONE PCIe slot. It is the fastest single card on the planet (until the 7950 X2 come out).

 

[Nirach]

I guess this might seem slow, and behind the times to most of you. But.

I took a look at the ExtremeTech site, and their graphs (I've known eleven year olds to better graphs, but hey.)

And all I can see you arguing about is.. Hm, at best, 10-15 FPS. These taking the FPS into the 100+ in most cases. Oh, and don't scream OMGYOUDIDN'TLOOKATTHEGURUTHINGANDUSETHOSE because, frankly, I just don't care.

What's the big deal with wanting an extra few FPS? You won't notice it. Wait for somethign worth spending another $600+ for. Something like a 60+ FPS jump at higher screen res. Then maybe it'll make sense.

Also, what's the big deal with models? I can't see anything special..

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards. It was in another thread. Something about 4:1. ATI is continuously cutting prices to push their cards. We all know the X1900XTX is worth more than 410.00. It is a beastly card. But ATI just can't push em like they want you to.

P.S. I think a large contributing factor is the availability and widespread ownership of SLI motherboards, and SLI's maturity over Crossfire. Master Cards and all might not be as appealing as not having to have one to run two cards together. IMHO.

Edit: Typo.

Care to back that up with some facts, that $600+ GTX's are selling more than $410 XTXs? Make a poll if you like to see which most people would choose. Im betting the XTX by a landslide, or you dont want ot be proven wrong? Who said anythhing about SLI or CF?

Do you really care about this that much? Ok then.

Wow, look at this 7900GTX for 509.00 with a copy of TombRaider ($50 value?)

Newegg is absolutely brimming with 7900GTX's now. At least ten models are in stock.

If you noticed Ackmed, in the Guru review, they had the XXX XFX 7900GTX AND a stock 7900GTX bench results. Why spend 600 bucks on the XXX if the stock GTX is doing the job? So the link above demonstrates that a 7900GTX (slightly o/c'd from factory) can be had for about 460.00 if you remove the cost of the Tomb raider game. Not bad at all.

So please don't get all huffy with "Care to back this up". Your going to extremes as folks tend to do when backed into a corner and quotas must be met.

Oh, yes, I almost forgot. If you do not wish to understand why I mentioned SLI and CF, thats one thing. But if you truly do not understand the intended context, that is not my problem.

P.S. I was just able to add 18 of the 509.00 7900GTX's and 99 (newegg limit) of the 519.00 7900GTX's. Seems Nvidia delivered, or vendors finally ordered enough to keep stock up.

P.S.S. This is just from newegg. Other places may be cheaper. Cheapest X1900XTX is 454.00 after 25.00 mail in rebate.

Sigh, do you even read before replying?

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards.

So, as you can see, you claimed most are making the $600 choice, over the $410 choice. Not the $500 choice. You cant remove the costs of the Tom Raider game, you have to pay for it it.

The cheapest X1900XTX is $410 after shipping, not $454. There is an instant $50 off with a coupon code, "iloveati".

What extremes am I going to? Posting actual prices of cards? Sorry to be factual.. this thread is about the XXX, and you posted saying most people are making the $600 choice. If you believe that, make a poll and ask if people would rather have a $600 GTX, or a $410 XTX.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Wreckage

when it comes to performance, the 7900 GT sometimes outperforms even the X1900 XTX, and it always stays near the top of the pack.

The ignorance with this one is beyond belief. The only game 7900GT beats X1900XT series is probably Pacific fighters, a game no one plays and uses a vertex fetch ATI cards cannot do. Benchmarks without AA/AF do not matter either since no one buys a $300 graphics card and plays in Pure Speed modes. Wreckage you always seem to forget that bringing outliers into a discussion only implies how desperate you are to promote Nvidia. Why don't you mention anywhere that X1900XTX gets 50% faster framerates in FEAR, COD2 and Oblivion and beats 7900GT in 95% of all games, while often getting higher minimum framerates than 7900GTs average. And not in just 1 or 2 games.

You are severly wrong.
Link
There is a massive community behind this game.

edit - this is why this game and several of its types are in most benchmarks.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

it's widely known that joker is an ATI fanboy -- handing out links to ATI cards and reviews daily

at the same time, guru3d is overly favorable to nvidia

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Lets see.. what would I rather have. The GTX in questions for $600, or the XTX for $410. Hmm... pretty easy choice.

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards. It was in another thread. Something about 4:1. ATI is continuously cutting prices to push their cards. We all know the X1900XTX is worth more than 410.00. It is a beastly card. But ATI just can't push em like they want you to.

P.S. I think a large contributing factor is the availability and widespread ownership of SLI motherboards, and SLI's maturity over Crossfire. Master Cards and all might not be as appealing as not having to have one to run two cards together. IMHO.

Edit: Typo.

Care to back that up with some facts, that $600+ GTX's are selling more than $410 XTXs? Make a poll if you like to see which most people would choose. Im betting the XTX by a landslide, or you dont want ot be proven wrong? Who said anythhing about SLI or CF?

Do you really care about this that much? Ok then.

Wow, look at this 7900GTX for 509.00 with a copy of TombRaider ($50 value?)

Newegg is absolutely brimming with 7900GTX's now. At least ten models are in stock.

If you noticed Ackmed, in the Guru review, they had the XXX XFX 7900GTX AND a stock 7900GTX bench results. Why spend 600 bucks on the XXX if the stock GTX is doing the job? So the link above demonstrates that a 7900GTX (slightly o/c'd from factory) can be had for about 460.00 if you remove the cost of the Tomb raider game. Not bad at all.

So please don't get all huffy with "Care to back this up". Your going to extremes as folks tend to do when backed into a corner and quotas must be met.

Oh, yes, I almost forgot. If you do not wish to understand why I mentioned SLI and CF, thats one thing. But if you truly do not understand the intended context, that is not my problem.

P.S. I was just able to add 18 of the 509.00 7900GTX's and 99 (newegg limit) of the 519.00 7900GTX's. Seems Nvidia delivered, or vendors finally ordered enough to keep stock up.

P.S.S. This is just from newegg. Other places may be cheaper. Cheapest X1900XTX is 454.00 after 25.00 mail in rebate.

Sigh, do you even read before replying?

It would seem the choice most are making are the six hundred dollar cards.

So, as you can see, you claimed most are making the $600 choice, over the $410 choice. Not the $500 choice. You cant remove the costs of the Tom Raider game, you have to pay for it it.

The cheapest X1900XTX is $410 after shipping, not $454. There is an instant $50 off with a coupon code, "iloveati".

What extremes am I going to? Posting actual prices of cards? Sorry to be factual.. this thread is about the XXX, and you posted saying most people are making the $600 choice. If you believe that, make a poll and ask if people would rather have a $600 GTX, or a $410 XTX.

Speaking of reading. I said it "seemed" that most are making the six hundred dollar choice. I used the figure of 600 dollars because you did. What I really believe is that more people are buying 7900GTX's and 7900GT's than they are X1900XT/XTX's and they are buying the cheapest ones they can grab.

I have seen you a few times in the past using the cost of a packaged game with a video card to try to dumb down the cost of a card. As far back as the bundled HL2 coupons. So don't go there.

And the 509.00 7900GTX sold 3 since my last post. So, they are being bought. Now only 15 available from 18 early this morning. Now you can go try to find those three people and try to convince them to return those GTX's and by what you want them to, but I don't think you'll have much luck there.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

You suffer from a severe case of denial. It's one card. If you have an SLI motherboard you can use two of them.

look at the pictures it only takes up ONE PCIe slot. It is the fastest single card on the planet (until the 7950 X2 come out).

For such a devout NV troll, you sure lack the knowledge of their products. I dont care if it's on one board or if they slapped two cards together using rubber bands, that Asus card requires an SLI mobo to work.

First look at the digit-life review:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g70-8.html
"There are some disadvantages, of course. Quite a large PCB, mandatory SLI support in your motherboard."

Then look at the mobo compatibility list at the official site:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=198&model=786&modelmenu=1
Only SLI boards are listed. If I dont have an SLI board and wanted to get the single fastest card, that Asus card will not work.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

LMAO@ how many have taken to screaming witch! since the AEG viral marketing story broke :laugh: Now every brand loyal member is a plant, Fin' rich! :beer: These threads are akin to announcing Mortal Combat! 😛

Just stop with the silly arguments already. You guys have been reduced to behaving like NASCAR fans raging over GM v. Ford *whispers* that's really bad 😉

 

[Nirach]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
LMAO@ how many have taken to screaming witch! since the AEG viral marketing story broke :laugh: Now every brand loyal member is a plant, Fin' rich! :beer: These threads are akin to announcing Mortal Combat! 😛

Just stop with the silly arguments already. You guys have been reduced to behaving like NASCAR fans raging over GM v. Ford *whispers* that's really bad 😉

QFT.

And. Kombat, man, Kombat!

Mooorrrtaaaallll Koommmbbaatt!

</nerd>

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

You suffer from a severe case of denial. It's one card. If you have an SLI motherboard you can use two of them.

look at the pictures it only takes up ONE PCIe slot. It is the fastest single card on the planet (until the 7950 X2 come out).

For such a devout NV troll, you sure lack the knowledge of their products. I dont care if it's on one board or if they slapped two cards together using rubber bands, that Asus card requires an SLI mobo to work.

First look at the digit-life review:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g70-8.html
"There are some disadvantages, of course. Quite a large PCB, mandatory SLI support in your motherboard."

Then look at the mobo compatibility list at the official site:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=198&model=786&modelmenu=1
Only SLI boards are listed. If I dont have an SLI board and wanted to get the single fastest card, that Asus card will not work.

Then you have to ask yourself, "Who doesn't have an SLI mobo?" J/K.
---->Most<---- (just want to make sure you see the word "most") high end gaming enthusiast will not buy a mobo without SLI or CF support. They want to keep that option open even if they only have one card currently or at least arent "planning" to go SLI. But it is always nice to have the option should they get the "urge".

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

You suffer from a severe case of denial. It's one card. If you have an SLI motherboard you can use two of them.

look at the pictures it only takes up ONE PCIe slot. It is the fastest single card on the planet (until the 7950 X2 come out).

For such a devout NV troll, you sure lack the knowledge of their products. I dont care if it's on one board or if they slapped two cards together using rubber bands, that Asus card requires an SLI mobo to work.

First look at the digit-life review:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g70-8.html
"There are some disadvantages, of course. Quite a large PCB, mandatory SLI support in your motherboard."

Then look at the mobo compatibility list at the official site:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=198&model=786&modelmenu=1
Only SLI boards are listed. If I dont have an SLI board and wanted to get the single fastest card, that Asus card will not work.

Then you have to ask yourself, "Who doesn't have an SLI mobo?" J/K.
---->Most<---- (just want to make sure you see the word "most") high end gaming enthusiast will not buy a mobo without SLI or CF support. They want to keep that option open even if they only have one card currently or at least arent "planning" to go SLI. But it is always nice to have the option should they get the "urge".

And most enthusiasts will have a more than adequate power supply and cooling for their computers, so why do nV fans continually dwell on X1900 power requirements?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Your thread is wrong. This is the fastest card on the market.

If you want to get technical this is the fastest until the 7950 X2 comes out.

And if you want to get even more technical, that's just 2 cards in SLI, but placed on one board. It requires an SLI mobo, so it's not quite the single card it's trying to be.

You suffer from a severe case of denial. It's one card. If you have an SLI motherboard you can use two of them.

look at the pictures it only takes up ONE PCIe slot. It is the fastest single card on the planet (until the 7950 X2 come out).

For such a devout NV troll, you sure lack the knowledge of their products. I dont care if it's on one board or if they slapped two cards together using rubber bands, that Asus card requires an SLI mobo to work.

First look at the digit-life review:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/g70-8.html
"There are some disadvantages, of course. Quite a large PCB, mandatory SLI support in your motherboard."

Then look at the mobo compatibility list at the official site:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=198&model=786&modelmenu=1
Only SLI boards are listed. If I dont have an SLI board and wanted to get the single fastest card, that Asus card will not work.

Then you have to ask yourself, "Who doesn't have an SLI mobo?" J/K.
---->Most<---- (just want to make sure you see the word "most") high end gaming enthusiast will not buy a mobo without SLI or CF support. They want to keep that option open even if they only have one card currently or at least arent "planning" to go SLI. But it is always nice to have the option should they get the "urge".

And most enthusiasts will have a more than adequate power supply and cooling for their computers, so why do nV fans continually dwell on X1900 power requirements?

Not sure I see the connection. But if you say so.

But I guess I can try to answer you. Nv fans continually dwell on X1900 power requirements for the same reason you dwell on Nvidia shortcomings? Best answer I can give you bro.