Xeon better for overclocking than Core 2 duo?

[GuitarDaddy]

I know with AMD the equivalent Opterons were considered better overclockers than the standard A64 parts. Is the same true with Xeons vs. Core 2 duo?

I'm finally looking to upgrade and will either get E6400/E6600 or Xeon 3050/3060, is the extra few bucks for the Xeon worth it?

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I know with AMD the equivalent Opterons were considered better overclockers than the standard A64 parts. Is the same true with Xeons vs. Core 2 duo?

I'm finally looking to upgrade and will either get E6400/E6600 or Xeon 3050/3060, is the extra few bucks for the Xeon worth it?

My 3060 will do 3.6-3.8 on Air.... on a 975x Chipset ASUS P5WDH

I Run 3.4 Ghz 24/7 1.325 vCore 38 deg C at Idle 52 deg. max Dual Orthos 12 Hours...using Intel TAT.... The Asus Probe reads 82 F at Idle 72 F Ambient

I'm using, and reccomend Scythe Infinity.... Or Sunbeam Tuniq Tower.

1 Gig overclock on Air....yeah they are sweet.... They have gone up in price since I bought mine... I wrote the First Review On NewEgg...

 

[The-Noid]

Same chips, better warranty. Ff you want a guaranteed overlcocking chip, buy an ES. They are handpicked to send to reviewers.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Same chips, better warranty. Ff you want a guaranteed overlcocking chip, buy an ES. They are handpicked to send to reviewers.

you piqued my interest. how would I go about buying one?

 

[Duvie]

Also remember some of those lines of core 2 duo based xeons (51xx series) are 1333mhz fsb...They may have lower multis which could suck for ocing...

the 3xxx series like mentioned above seem to be exact matches of the 1066fsb chips we see now as E6300-E6700

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Also remember some of those lines of core 2 duo based xeons (51xx series) are 1333mhz fsb...They may have lower multis which could suck for ocing...

the 3xxx series like mentioned above seem to be exact matches of the 1066fsb chips we see now as E6300-E6700

i Thought the 51xx and 53xx series are Socket 771 and not the Socket 775

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: VooDooAddict

Originally posted by: Duvie
Also remember some of those lines of core 2 duo based xeons (51xx series) are 1333mhz fsb...They may have lower multis which could suck for ocing...

the 3xxx series like mentioned above seem to be exact matches of the 1066fsb chips we see now as E6300-E6700

i Thought the 51xx and 53xx series are Socket 771 and not the Socket 775

You are right they are...They are also the only ones I believe that work in a 2P format..

 

[InlineFive]

Out of curiosity, what sort of ratio can you compare C2D/Xeon speeds to an old P4? I'm looking to get a new server and I am wondering if dual 1.86Ghz Xeons are sufficient. Or if I should pay over the major dough to get 2.3xGhz models.

 

[The-Noid]

no. The 1.86 Clovertowns pinmod to higher speeds and that is a relatively safe overclock. Read 2cpu.com forums for clovertown pinmod info. As for speeds over a p4. I setup a dual clovertown box that was roughly 4x faster than a dual dempsey 3.2 ghz box for a friend.

 

[InlineFive]

I'm not asking about overclocking. I want to know as how they compare to P4s. I want to know if that will give me enough speed to grow into. It's just going to be an DC.

 

[The-Noid]

without overclocking they are about 4x faster. That is why I said. Also you are posting in an overclocking forum...and Dedicated Computing loves extra horsepower anyway it can get it.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: InlineFive
I'm not asking about overclocking. I want to know as how they compare to P4s. I want to know if that will give me enough speed to grow into. It's just going to be an DC.

I think in a Core to Core basis that a Core 2 Duo is about 1.8-1.9x the equivalent GHZ Pentium 4. As well I believe that may be somewhat conservative.

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
without overclocking they are about 4x faster. That is why I said. Also you are posting in an overclocking forum...and Dedicated Computing loves extra horsepower anyway it can get it.

8 Cores vs 4 Cores isn't exactly an Apples to Apples comparison.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Same chips, better warranty. Ff you want a guaranteed overlcocking chip, buy an ES. They are handpicked to send to reviewers.

you piqued my interest. how would I go about buying one?

The best place to find one is in the FS/FT forums.

the xtremesystems.org fs/ft cpu section is full of them!

the c2d's are now getting cheaper even the ES's!

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Same chips, better warranty. Ff you want a guaranteed overlcocking chip, buy an ES. They are handpicked to send to reviewers.

you piqued my interest. how would I go about buying one?

While they are overclockers from hell, just remember that they come with no warranty whatsoever, if that makes a difference to you.

 

[The-Noid]

if you overclock you don't have a warranty, and shouldn't deserve a warranty. Defrauding a company is selfish in the end. Also if you buy an ES it is going to work, and from there if you take precaution or it breaks from your overclocking, the only one you have left to blame is yourself. I would like to see a study of how many chips actaully break from stock speeds, without major human error (heatsink not on correctly or something). I bet number is tiny. Most RMA requests are from overclockers that have no idea what they are doing and are trying to defraud the company.

 

[ewitte]

Only if you killed it from the overclock (probably voltage). If it was genuinely faulty there is nothing wrong with RMA. They expect you to overclock. Pretty much everything today is designed for it.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
if you overclock you don't have a warranty, and shouldn't deserve a warranty. Defrauding a company is selfish in the end. Also if you buy an ES it is going to work, and from there if you take precaution or it breaks from your overclocking, the only one you have left to blame is yourself. I would like to see a study of how many chips actaully break from stock speeds, without major human error (heatsink not on correctly or something). I bet number is tiny. Most RMA requests are from overclockers that have no idea what they are doing and are trying to defraud the company.

Defrauding? My lord someone is feeling high and mighty. Why don't you go look down your nose at some people. I'm always astounded at people that think their moral position is superior to others without knowing the others moral position. Why don't you just wag your finger at them and tell them they are going to hell.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
if you overclock you don't have a warranty, and shouldn't deserve a warranty. Defrauding a company is selfish in the end. Also if you buy an ES it is going to work, and from there if you take precaution or it breaks from your overclocking, the only one you have left to blame is yourself. I would like to see a study of how many chips actaully break from stock speeds, without major human error (heatsink not on correctly or something). I bet number is tiny. Most RMA requests are from overclockers that have no idea what they are doing and are trying to defraud the company.

Defrauding? My lord someone is feeling high and mighty. Why don't you go look down your nose at some people. I'm always astounded at people that think their moral position is superior to others without knowing the others moral position. Why don't you just wag your finger at them and tell them they are going to hell.

hey guy... this is cpu/oc, not OT or P&N.

let's just stick to overclocking, k?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: ewitte
Only if you killed it from the overclock (probably voltage). If it was genuinely faulty there is nothing wrong with RMA. They expect you to overclock. Pretty much everything today is designed for it.

Sorry, but this is incorrect. Overclocking voids most warranties. Period.

The only CPUs "designed for it" are AMD's FX line and Intel's Extreme Edition line. They may have additional provisions in their warranties that allow for overvolting and overclocking. Normal CPUs do not.

Originally posted by: rahvin

Defrauding? My lord someone is feeling high and mighty. Why don't you go look down your nose at some people. I'm always astounded at people that think their moral position is superior to others without knowing the others moral position. Why don't you just wag your finger at them and tell them they are going to hell.

Uh . . . ? What was "high and mighty" about what Yoxxy said? He's mostly right, though I have no idea what percentage of RMAs are "legit". When you void the warranty, you void the warranty. No ifs, no ands, no buts. People who burn out their own hardware and ship it back for replacement wind up costing everyone else money. Those extra costs incurred by retailers and/or manufacturers get passed along to the rest of us.

Nobody in their right mind advocates, much less tolerates, bogus RMAs. Fraud is fraud.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: ewitte
Only if you killed it from the overclock (probably voltage). If it was genuinely faulty there is nothing wrong with RMA. They expect you to overclock. Pretty much everything today is designed for it.

If every chip was designed to run at a higher speed then they wouldn't bin them and give them different model numbers, we'd all be using X6800s.

 

[Superguy]

Got 3.6GHz off my Xeon 3060 at 1.475V on a P5B Deluxe. Haven't tried pushing it further yet.

 

[Shimmishim]

GOOD job! keep pushin' i'm sure there's still room.

i got mine to 3.7 @ 1.475 on a p5b deluxe... but mine is about average