Xenadrine or Stacker?

[ZaneNBK]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: derek2034
ephedra sucks, ephedrine HCL is the way to go.

Nah, ephedrine hydrocloride is nothing compared to injectable sesame oil Ephedrine, which is nothing compared to Clenbuterol, and why not dissolve some salmeterol in water, dry it, filter it and mix it with sesame oil and then inject it?

You want hardcore, why stop at little legue?

What a idiot

And yes, ephedrine does have a diuretic effect. I suggest you do your homework before shooting off your trap.

Why would he do that? He can't even be bothered to read my posts and understand them before replying.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: derek2034
ephedra sucks, ephedrine HCL is the way to go.

Nah, ephedrine hydrocloride is nothing compared to injectable sesame oil Ephedrine, which is nothing compared to Clenbuterol, and why not dissolve some salmeterol in water, dry it, filter it and mix it with sesame oil and then inject it?

You want hardcore, why stop at little legue?

What a idiot

And yes, ephedrine does have a diuretic effect. I suggest you do your homework before shooting off your trap.

ephedrine is a VERY mild diuretic (so mild that it is not even mentioned as a side effect of the compound in the packages) so it is neglectable... got that moron?

Yes, if you take over 300G of it, you will notice the diuretic effect but you will loose a lot of weight as you die in cramps...

Compared to caffeine (which is another MILD diuretic with a 2:1 ratio) it is about 1:10th as diruetic, if you want to include something into that, you could include naringine, asc.ac, NAC, NAG and so on and so forth...

The diuretic effect of the dosage is sooo small that you will not notice it...

get that? *sighs* educate yourself and stop shouting, moron....

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: derek2034
ephedra sucks, ephedrine HCL is the way to go.

Nah, ephedrine hydrocloride is nothing compared to injectable sesame oil Ephedrine, which is nothing compared to Clenbuterol, and why not dissolve some salmeterol in water, dry it, filter it and mix it with sesame oil and then inject it?

You want hardcore, why stop at little legue?

What a idiot

And yes, ephedrine does have a diuretic effect. I suggest you do your homework before shooting off your trap.

Why would he do that? He can't even be bothered to read my posts and understand them before replying.

Could that be because your posts were pretty much worthless?

You want to expend calories, you ingest a possibly dangerous compound that you have to pay for or you take a walk... DOH...

Or you eat less, it IS NOT A FVCKING MAGICAL FAT LOSS COMPOUND, IT IS A SIMPLE THERMOGENIC!!!!!! (and not a very effective one, even when stacked with C and A)

IF YOU EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU EXPEND YOU LOOSE WEIGHT, WITH OR WITHOUT EPHEDRA!

Got it this time?????????

 

[idNut]

What about TrimSpa? $100.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: idNut
What about TrimSpa? $100.

LOL!

Yes, another proof that advertising does indeed work...

 

[ZaneNBK]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK
Um, I've been using an ECA stack (different types) for going on 11 months now cycling 4 weeks on, 1 or 2 off. During that time I lifted 3x's a week and did 30-40 minutes of heavy cardio 4-6x's a week. I was also on a very strict healthy diet (high protein, decent complex carbs, low simple carbs, low fat) with some vitamins and some supplements (mainly glutamine). I lost 80lbs. in the first 8 months and dropped from around 33%+ body fat to 15% body fat. Even with the strict diet and tons of excercise I had low energy when off the ECA (before I started ECA as well). ECA makes a HUGE difference in my day-day energy levels, much more than the 2% you throw around.

No, ECA wasn't the primary reason I lost that much weight, the primary reason was definately diet and excercise. ECA just helped me loose it faster and helps keep my energy levels up throughout the day. Eventually when I hit my body-fat goals I'll go off ECA completely. Right now I'm at about 13% and I'm shooting for 10%.

It's not the holy grail of weight loss, but it's not the totally useless substance you make it out to be. Far from it.

*sighs*

I have competed in bodybuilding on an international level since 94, i have been in the iron game since 85....

It IS a useless substance, what is it you do not get about it? It expends CALORIES, you can EAT LESS CALORIES, or you can walk to EXPEND MORE CALORIES...

It is NOT A FAT LOSS AGENT...

You want to waste your money, i got a pile of sugar to sell you, great for pre-workout energy boosts...

Where did I claim it was a FAT LOSS AGENT? Eh? As I said, it HELPED me loose fat (by raising my daily caloric expenditure, which you agree it does but to a lesser degree than I believe) and it primarily raised my day to day energy a HUGE amount. That was and still is the primary bonus for me. Hopefully once I've lost all I want and can up my intake to a maintenance level I won't need the boost provided by ECA. We'll see.

You constantly claim it is ineffective, here are some studies proving that it is beneficial (ECA anyway) to those trying to loose weight:

Report of Harvard Medical School and Columbia University's study.
Marshall-Blum Herbal Research Clinic Study report.
There are more but I don't have time to sort through them at the moment.

Where are your studies showing the contratry? It seems to me you've made up your mind on your own and are sticking to your guns despite the facts. Ignorance is understandable; stubborness is not.

 

[ZaneNBK]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Could that be because your posts were pretty much worthless?

You want to expend calories, you ingest a possibly dangerous compound that you have to pay for or you take a walk... DOH...

Or you eat less, it IS NOT A FVCKING MAGICAL FAT LOSS COMPOUND, IT IS A SIMPLE THERMOGENIC!!!!!! (and not a very effective one, even when stacked with C and A)

IF YOU EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU EXPEND YOU LOOSE WEIGHT, WITH OR WITHOUT EPHEDRA!

Got it this time?????????

I've never disagreed with the statement you're shouting. Again, read my posts. I've also never claimed it's a magical fat loss compound. If you're going to argue with me, argue with a statement I've actually MADE.

I got it before you ever posted it. Do YOU get it this time? Sheesh.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Could that be because your posts were pretty much worthless?

You want to expend calories, you ingest a possibly dangerous compound that you have to pay for or you take a walk... DOH...

Or you eat less, it IS NOT A FVCKING MAGICAL FAT LOSS COMPOUND, IT IS A SIMPLE THERMOGENIC!!!!!! (and not a very effective one, even when stacked with C and A)

IF YOU EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU EXPEND YOU LOOSE WEIGHT, WITH OR WITHOUT EPHEDRA!

Got it this time?????????

I've never disagreed with the statement you're shouting. Again, read my posts. I've also never claimed it's a magical fat loss compound. If you're going to argue with me, argue with a statement I've actually MADE.

I got it before you ever posted it. Do YOU get it this time? Sheesh.

I got a bit carried away, it happens every now and then, sorry you had to be the one...

Yes, ephedrine does expend calories through the thermogenic effect, but what i am saying is... do NOT eat that snickers bar, or DO walk for 10 minutes extra, you will have the same effect and no side effects...

It does work this way, expend and consume...

You know this, the magical pill isn't there, get off your lazy bum and do some walking...

Yes, i have been in this business for a long time, i have seen people come and go... the clenbuterol crowd (usually stacked with longer acting salmeterol) are the fitness crowd, then we have the steroid crowd (and nowdays, you can get compounds that will ruin your liver, cause water retention AND make small increases in weight, hooooray for 1-AD) which is usually a well informed crowd... then you have the all out crowd... who cares if it is dangerous and if there are better ways, i want it NOW (those are the ephedra people, along with the insulin-IGF1 idiots)...

You have to understand my viewpoint, i have done this for so long, the ECA stuff was around when i started out, i KNOW from experience that just 15 mins extra a day is a better choice (and no, actually, you cannot stack excersise with it as the effect of ECA does decrease when you expend energy through excersise)...

In other words... as i said earlier... if you want true long-lasting weight reduction, eat less, move more... it works, nothing else does...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: ZaneNBK
Um, I've been using an ECA stack (different types) for going on 11 months now cycling 4 weeks on, 1 or 2 off. During that time I lifted 3x's a week and did 30-40 minutes of heavy cardio 4-6x's a week. I was also on a very strict healthy diet (high protein, decent complex carbs, low simple carbs, low fat) with some vitamins and some supplements (mainly glutamine). I lost 80lbs. in the first 8 months and dropped from around 33%+ body fat to 15% body fat. Even with the strict diet and tons of excercise I had low energy when off the ECA (before I started ECA as well). ECA makes a HUGE difference in my day-day energy levels, much more than the 2% you throw around.

No, ECA wasn't the primary reason I lost that much weight, the primary reason was definately diet and excercise. ECA just helped me loose it faster and helps keep my energy levels up throughout the day. Eventually when I hit my body-fat goals I'll go off ECA completely. Right now I'm at about 13% and I'm shooting for 10%.

It's not the holy grail of weight loss, but it's not the totally useless substance you make it out to be. Far from it.

*sighs*

I have competed in bodybuilding on an international level since 94, i have been in the iron game since 85....

It IS a useless substance, what is it you do not get about it? It expends CALORIES, you can EAT LESS CALORIES, or you can walk to EXPEND MORE CALORIES...

It is NOT A FAT LOSS AGENT...

You want to waste your money, i got a pile of sugar to sell you, great for pre-workout energy boosts...

Where did I claim it was a FAT LOSS AGENT? Eh? As I said, it HELPED me loose fat (by raising my daily caloric expenditure, which you agree it does but to a lesser degree than I believe) and it primarily raised my day to day energy a HUGE amount. That was and still is the primary bonus for me. Hopefully once I've lost all I want and can up my intake to a maintenance level I won't need the boost provided by ECA. We'll see.

You constantly claim it is ineffective, here are some studies proving that it is beneficial (ECA anyway) to those trying to loose weight:

Report of Harvard Medical School and Columbia University's study.
Marshall-Blum Herbal Research Clinic Study report.
There are more but I don't have time to sort through them at the moment.

Where are your studies showing the contratry? It seems to me you've made up your mind on your own and are sticking to your guns despite the facts. Ignorance is understandable; stubborness is not.

Comparison: study group no1 do ECA, group no2 walk for an extra 20 mins every day, eat better... who looses more weight in the long run?

How about this, the ECA stack does provide a T3 reverse feedback that is not easily changed, the enzymes lacking are not produced, they are produced when you EXPEND the energy, therefore when you quit your ECA stack you will gain weight....

Damn, i thought i already explained all of this... oh, the T4-T3 conversion factor can be either produced (if you excersise enough) or injected, in one case it is produced, in the other it is not... take a wild guess...

 

[Soybomb]

ECA makes a HUGE difference in my day-day energy levels, much more than the 2% you throw around.

"I'm just draggy all day if I haven't had my crystal meth!" Seriously isn't the effect of the ephedrine on the body just like any amphetamines? I'll pass

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Soybomb

ECA makes a HUGE difference in my day-day energy levels, much more than the 2% you throw around.

"I'm just draggy all day if I haven't had my crystal meth!" Seriously isn't the effect of the ephedrine on the body just like any amphetamines? I'll pass

Yes it is, the effect is similar because of the poor fit at receptor sites, this makes the andregenic effects small and the effects of the nervous system, that is why you FEEL more effect than you get...

(the Meth does not fit at all and does not increase the andregenic effects at all, but it does screw up your endocrine system)

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Soybomb

ECA makes a HUGE difference in my day-day energy levels, much more than the 2% you throw around.

"I'm just draggy all day if I haven't had my crystal meth!" Seriously isn't the effect of the ephedrine on the body just like any amphetamines? I'll pass

Yes it is, the effect is similar because of the poor fit at receptor sites, this makes the andregenic effects small and the effects of the nervous system, that is why you FEEL more effect than you get...

(the Meth does not fit at all and does not increase the andregenic effects at all, but it does screw up your endocrine system)

And passing on spending your money on something that can be done by eating one snack less or walking for 15 mins is a smart thing to do....