One thing that'll sell 7-10 million ps2's is *drum roll* SQUARESOFT! Rpg's are a huge market here and in Japan. Plus add developers like, damn forgot, whoever made Lunar, ps2 WILL be a big sucess. Honestly, i could care less if x machine pushes x polys, i want gameplay. That's why to this day, she SNES is my favorite machine, with PSX a close second.
Yeah, I remember both those games. I didn't thinkt he first one was real, but I know rouge squadron 2 was real. I couldn't judge the system with only Rogue squadron 2 though. Cause I think any console system can pull off that kind of graphics.
It's Nintendo extremist time! With your Nintendo jihad-practicing fanatic, AMDJ!
Now I love ripping apart the bodies of anti-Nintendo infidels, but I'll give you a chance to claim your true console lord now with a few good resources and collected facts.
Xbox downgraded. - Well, seems some people never know when to stop lying, from original specs to reasons why the specs now suck.
The tell-all comparative sheet, complete with add. info. from IGNs' editors.
Important follow-up information and comments to the sheet. - Smackin' down on those lyin' Sony and Microsoft and their consoles like the media on Jesse Jackson and his love child.
Not only 1080 Snowboarding, but an ADVANCED version of SSX, a popular PS2 game.
Now, who do I get to sacrifice in my zealous devotion to Nintendo?
Now I love ripping apart the bodies of anti-Nintendo infidels, but I'll give you a chance to claim your true console lord now with a few good resources and collected facts.
Xbox downgraded. - Well, seems some people never know when to stop lying, from original specs to reasons why the specs now suck.
The tell-all comparative sheet, complete with add. info. from IGNs' editors.
Important follow-up information and comments to the sheet. - Smackin' down on those lyin' Sony and Microsoft and their consoles like the media on Jesse Jackson and his love child.
Not only 1080 Snowboarding, but an ADVANCED version of SSX, a popular PS2 game.
Now, who do I get to sacrifice in my zealous devotion to Nintendo?
Software will make or break the X-Box. Tech specs don't mean too much to me and I won't compare X-Box to PS-2 until I see them up close and personal. If X-Box lacks good software which it just might if it doesn't sell very well then it will flop.
In my opinion, X-Box will make it to the shelves but it will not sell anywhere near as well as the PS-2 because of Sony's name recognition in the console market. Failing to achieve market penetration will attract fewer software developers leaving MS to develop inhouse. This will further hurt sales <GRIN> Finally, X-Box sell in the bargain bin at Wal-Mart, K-Mart etc
In my opinion, X-Box will make it to the shelves but it will not sell anywhere near as well as the PS-2 because of Sony's name recognition in the console market. Failing to achieve market penetration will attract fewer software developers leaving MS to develop inhouse. This will further hurt sales <GRIN> Finally, X-Box sell in the bargain bin at Wal-Mart, K-Mart etc
<< Not a chance, it will get slowly and viciously raped by the GameCube >>
Couldn't have said it better myself. Gamecube has virtually all the same 3rd parties to deliver the 18-35 market (minus the PC developers looking for a quick port), and they have all the first parties to get the 13-18 market. Development on both systems is supposedly fairly easy, although I've heard that a decent game can be pumped out in 7 months on the Gamecube. Think about all the parents who buy their kids a Gamecube and will actually also find a good game for themselves(parents who would never buy a system for themselves). The awesome part of the Gamecube is how it will reach multiple target markets in one swipe. And it's price will absolutely kill the Xbox. The proprietary interface will really help against pirating, which will attract 3rd parties, especially in two or three years when Xbox and PS2 pirating is more common. Re PS2, the long-term plans Sony has with Playstation are very cool, and I think they have the best long-term plans. PS3 will not be just a game machine, that's pretty sure thing.
The more I think about it, I think the XBox is going to have heat problems. The system is slated to come out in about eight months and they have not gotten the final silicon yet. Who knows how hot the NV2A is going to run? Combine that with a hot processor (P3-733), hot memory and the heat coming off the hard drive (they should have used a mobile-type hard drive!!!). The system is going to way too hot for that puny 80mm fan in the back of the unit to handle.
They can't make the console any bigger, the Japanese are already complaining that it is too big. It's going to be to see all the problems between the heat, noise, size and people crashing the HD from dropping the unit.
Perhaps by the XBox3 they will get it right?
PS: That X-Wing MPEG is awesome!!!
They can't make the console any bigger, the Japanese are already complaining that it is too big. It's going to be to see all the problems between the heat, noise, size and people crashing the HD from dropping the unit.
Perhaps by the XBox3 they will get it right?
PS: That X-Wing MPEG is awesome!!!
This about the x-box
<< Graphics processor: From 300MHz to 250MHz
Polygon performance: From 300 M/sec to 125 M/sec
<<
Hmm looks like the graphic processor just got replaced by a slower version.
<< Graphics processor: From 300MHz to 250MHz
Polygon performance: From 300 M/sec to 125 M/sec
<<
Hmm looks like the graphic processor just got replaced by a slower version.
Bwahahahahahha! X-Box will destroy the PS2? Not likely...
Look at the arguments for the X-Box:
1) More powerful
2) Developers flocking to it/easy to develop for (the latter is the cause of the former)
3) Its Microsoft - $$$ and marketing speaks volumes
To refute:
1) a) Doesn't matter - N64 was more powerful than the PS1. 3DO was extreemly powerful. Even the amazing Dreamcast is not dominant because of its power. You know what is the number one console in the world today? The 8-bit GAMEBOY.
b) X-box power is being measured in apples to oranges compared to PS2 and GameCube. Take a PIII 733, and a GeForceII Ultra. Run it through TV-out. Impressive... but doesn't wow me like MGS2, GT3, or even Soul Calibur. Game design is all that matters. Besides - run evena stripped down version of Win 2k on a 64 MB PC... watch how much power is left over for games.
2) I think this is X-box's true achillies heel - that the same lazy crap that gets churned out for the PC every week is now coming to your console. You really think M$ will say no to ANY game proposed that pays the marketing fee? So we saturate the market with endless PC ports. You know, PC ports are the worst selling set of Dreamcast games, and market saturation with poor quality games is what toppled Atari. X-box has a hard drive and runs DirectX... how many patches are we going to download? Buggy games here we come! Wow! Dad bought me Deer Hunter 18 for Christmas...
3) One word: Bob.
I think a lot of us here, especially, have powerful PCs. Are you going to stop buying graphics cards? Faster processors? No - you will keep upgrading, and the market will keep developing new technology. So why will you buy an Xbox to play Quake4 on? Or will you buy Q4 for your PC and play on your 21 inch monitor at 1600x1200? Anything released for Xbox will be released for PC almost immediatly - they are the same thing! (Unless M$ can buy off a few games for exclusivity).
So PC gamers won't need an X-box. Almost everything else is coming out for PS2 and or GameCube as well. Sony and especially Nintendo have thier own development teams (989, Naughty Dog, Rare...etc). M$ makes Midtown Madness and Flight Sims - not system sellers.
Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!!
PS2 has flaws, so will Gamecube. But I see Dreamcast slowly fading after a very respectable run, PS2 and GameCube in a 2 way race... and who knows what for the Xbox.
All I know is I own a Dreamcast, PS2, Gameboy, N64, PS1, SNES, Genesis... I'm buying the Gamecube. But I just can't seem to want the Xbox.
Look at the arguments for the X-Box:
1) More powerful
2) Developers flocking to it/easy to develop for (the latter is the cause of the former)
3) Its Microsoft - $$$ and marketing speaks volumes
To refute:
1) a) Doesn't matter - N64 was more powerful than the PS1. 3DO was extreemly powerful. Even the amazing Dreamcast is not dominant because of its power. You know what is the number one console in the world today? The 8-bit GAMEBOY.
b) X-box power is being measured in apples to oranges compared to PS2 and GameCube. Take a PIII 733, and a GeForceII Ultra. Run it through TV-out. Impressive... but doesn't wow me like MGS2, GT3, or even Soul Calibur. Game design is all that matters. Besides - run evena stripped down version of Win 2k on a 64 MB PC... watch how much power is left over for games.
2) I think this is X-box's true achillies heel - that the same lazy crap that gets churned out for the PC every week is now coming to your console. You really think M$ will say no to ANY game proposed that pays the marketing fee? So we saturate the market with endless PC ports. You know, PC ports are the worst selling set of Dreamcast games, and market saturation with poor quality games is what toppled Atari. X-box has a hard drive and runs DirectX... how many patches are we going to download? Buggy games here we come! Wow! Dad bought me Deer Hunter 18 for Christmas...
3) One word: Bob.
I think a lot of us here, especially, have powerful PCs. Are you going to stop buying graphics cards? Faster processors? No - you will keep upgrading, and the market will keep developing new technology. So why will you buy an Xbox to play Quake4 on? Or will you buy Q4 for your PC and play on your 21 inch monitor at 1600x1200? Anything released for Xbox will be released for PC almost immediatly - they are the same thing! (Unless M$ can buy off a few games for exclusivity).
So PC gamers won't need an X-box. Almost everything else is coming out for PS2 and or GameCube as well. Sony and especially Nintendo have thier own development teams (989, Naughty Dog, Rare...etc). M$ makes Midtown Madness and Flight Sims - not system sellers.
Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!!
PS2 has flaws, so will Gamecube. But I see Dreamcast slowly fading after a very respectable run, PS2 and GameCube in a 2 way race... and who knows what for the Xbox.
All I know is I own a Dreamcast, PS2, Gameboy, N64, PS1, SNES, Genesis... I'm buying the Gamecube. But I just can't seem to want the Xbox.
The thing they didn't address in the anti-N64 article was if the GameCube is designed for 6 year olds like the N64. That's what turned me off.
I was sick of "Happy Flower Boy's Magical Quest."
That's why I love my PS and DC!
I was sick of "Happy Flower Boy's Magical Quest."
That's why I love my PS and DC!
Optimus: Good post.
Has anyone seen any XBox ads yet? The 500 million dollar ad campaign was supposed to start yesterday. I know that they were going to start with magazines and billboard ads. I think we may see an XBox television ad during the Super Bowl.
I really think the XBox is going to suffer from overhype. Remember the Gabbo and Poochie episodes from the Simpsons?
Has anyone seen any XBox ads yet? The 500 million dollar ad campaign was supposed to start yesterday. I know that they were going to start with magazines and billboard ads. I think we may see an XBox television ad during the Super Bowl.
I really think the XBox is going to suffer from overhype. Remember the Gabbo and Poochie episodes from the Simpsons?
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Lifer
- Oct 19, 2000
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I first decided to reply to Optimus' post to refute many things he said, but decided against it. Here is my opinions.
First of all, most of you say it's the quality of the games that will sell systems, not the power. Not true at all. Mabye to us *cough* elite *ahem* group of gamers, but not to the mass market. The Dreamcast has some of the most unique and original games packed with quality, but they are flailing their arms in the wind right now. Do you think little 8 year old Timmy and his mother who buys him the PS2 care about more quality in games? I seriously doubt it. Mommy wants him to shut up, and little Timmy just wants to shoot and kill. It doesn't matter to little kids, which is who most of these systems are sold to. I read the stats of the age of people who play these consoles somewhere, and it's around 12-14 years of age. Sorry, I cannot provide a link, you'll just have to take my word for it.
<< Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!! >>
First, the DVD is extra, which will allow them to price the console cheaper. They can just overcharge for the little remote thingy to make a couple of extra bucks. But what you are failing to realize is that DVD should be considered something extra. Just because the PS2 had DVD playback doesn't mean every other console should. It's a gaming machine, first and formost, and I think the idea of paying extra for the DVD playback is reasonable. Now when comparing this to the standard DVD playback of the PS2, that's a whole nother story. I'm just commenting on everyone bitching about having to pay extra for it. Just because PS2 has it doesn't make it a standard. Plus, it's a known fact that console developers lose money on console sales, so I can see a $300 price point reasonable, because Microsoft is too smart to pull a Sega Saturn or 3D0 and charge $400 or more. That would put it six feet in the hole before it even started.
I have a Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, did have a Gameboy, and have owned a Nintendo and Super Nintendo in the past. And I plan on owning the XBox and Gamecube. All systems have their good games, which is a given. And good lord, I have no idea what my whole point was in this reply, I think I just felt like typing a lot....hmmmmm, anyway, you guys should buy all the consoles because they all will rock.
First of all, most of you say it's the quality of the games that will sell systems, not the power. Not true at all. Mabye to us *cough* elite *ahem* group of gamers, but not to the mass market. The Dreamcast has some of the most unique and original games packed with quality, but they are flailing their arms in the wind right now. Do you think little 8 year old Timmy and his mother who buys him the PS2 care about more quality in games? I seriously doubt it. Mommy wants him to shut up, and little Timmy just wants to shoot and kill. It doesn't matter to little kids, which is who most of these systems are sold to. I read the stats of the age of people who play these consoles somewhere, and it's around 12-14 years of age. Sorry, I cannot provide a link, you'll just have to take my word for it.
<< Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!! >>
First, the DVD is extra, which will allow them to price the console cheaper. They can just overcharge for the little remote thingy to make a couple of extra bucks. But what you are failing to realize is that DVD should be considered something extra. Just because the PS2 had DVD playback doesn't mean every other console should. It's a gaming machine, first and formost, and I think the idea of paying extra for the DVD playback is reasonable. Now when comparing this to the standard DVD playback of the PS2, that's a whole nother story. I'm just commenting on everyone bitching about having to pay extra for it. Just because PS2 has it doesn't make it a standard. Plus, it's a known fact that console developers lose money on console sales, so I can see a $300 price point reasonable, because Microsoft is too smart to pull a Sega Saturn or 3D0 and charge $400 or more. That would put it six feet in the hole before it even started.
I have a Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, N64, did have a Gameboy, and have owned a Nintendo and Super Nintendo in the past. And I plan on owning the XBox and Gamecube. All systems have their good games, which is a given. And good lord, I have no idea what my whole point was in this reply, I think I just felt like typing a lot....hmmmmm, anyway, you guys should buy all the consoles because they all will rock.
Bottom Line---Nintendo started out selling playing cards, and worked itself into a gaming empire. Think of Nintendo as Ancient Rome, its control and influence reaches across entire land masses to cover the whole of the world. Nintendo is the NEW WORLD ORDER (just threw that one in for all you conspiracy buffs). Before Nintendo all shall perish. At the bloodied, war-torn hands of Nintendo, sony shall meet its end. The armegeddon fortold in the bible is the holy war between Nintendo (the good side, and GOD) and Sony (the bad side, or the Beast). Xbox really doesnt fit into the equation here, so lets just forget it. Besides, its going to be lost in the mix of the other systems anyway. So, to save yourself, purchase a GameCube as soon as possible. If you wish to burn forever, go ahead and get sucked into the hype of the PS2, and damn yourself. The choice is yours. (I realize that I sound like a nut here, so just so you know, I dont actually beleive this stuff, well maybe except that nintendo is god that is)
Juggalo- If Nintedo were indeed that great and powerful, how did Sony ever get a chance in the first place.
Face, the N64 was in everyway more powerful than the Playstation. It still lost. Why? The adults wanted to play adult games.
Face, the N64 was in everyway more powerful than the Playstation. It still lost. Why? The adults wanted to play adult games.
It goes deeper than that, BD. Nintendo's censorship did indeed chase off their older audience, but there are other important factors. Firstly, the carts were expensive, and Nintendo's licensing was expensive, so it took awhile for developers to accept that risk. Those same carts chased off Square. The N64 died immediately in Japan because there were no games available, especially no RPGs. The N64's software assortment was pretty meager for a long time.
I want an X-Box for 1 very good reason. It's probably hackable. It'll run Winblowz ME 3 times faster then my I-opener
How bout this perspective.
None of you here really know the inside track on this unless you are developing them.
This is the same thing that happened with psx and n64.
Psx had better and more gory and adult centered games.
But Nintendo didnt have a problem selling its system.
And I dont really see a true leader in the field.
PSX technically have more sales?
I think PSX had the advantage because it was easier to make copies.
As menial and "bad" as that may sound, its the reason I picked up a PSX.
PS2 older model are already modded, and the DVD writers have been around for years. Just at CES did they announce a component DVD writer that you can input and source to and make a direct copy. Nothing holding you back. So any CD based system will be more desirable to computer geeks then any cartridge based system.
And my GFs brother has a ps2, I dont see whats so impressive.
They released the same whack a$$ tekken type game. A bit more texture smoothing on the floor and background like the sky and clouds.
But from what I see, the software isnt doing anything for the hardware in that system. Not impressive, not worth the money, or the wait, or the platform switching.
FFX looks leet as it gets though
Nvidia's chip will smoke in the xbox, you can deny nvidia is making the premium video chips today. They own you, bottom line.
A harddrive, from what I read, all xbox games are cashed so there is no loading time. THAT feature alone would make for a consumer buy.
None of you here really know the inside track on this unless you are developing them.
This is the same thing that happened with psx and n64.
Psx had better and more gory and adult centered games.
But Nintendo didnt have a problem selling its system.
And I dont really see a true leader in the field.
PSX technically have more sales?
I think PSX had the advantage because it was easier to make copies.
As menial and "bad" as that may sound, its the reason I picked up a PSX.
PS2 older model are already modded, and the DVD writers have been around for years. Just at CES did they announce a component DVD writer that you can input and source to and make a direct copy. Nothing holding you back. So any CD based system will be more desirable to computer geeks then any cartridge based system.
And my GFs brother has a ps2, I dont see whats so impressive.
They released the same whack a$$ tekken type game. A bit more texture smoothing on the floor and background like the sky and clouds.
But from what I see, the software isnt doing anything for the hardware in that system. Not impressive, not worth the money, or the wait, or the platform switching.
FFX looks leet as it gets though
Nvidia's chip will smoke in the xbox, you can deny nvidia is making the premium video chips today. They own you, bottom line.
A harddrive, from what I read, all xbox games are cashed so there is no loading time. THAT feature alone would make for a consumer buy.
Jesus freaking christ. I havent seen this much bullshyt in a thread in a WHILE.
Optimus' post is the post of the devil. Everything he says is pure bull. I don't even feel the urge to defend against it, but hell, why not?
<< 1) a) Doesn't matter - N64 was more powerful than the PS1. 3DO was extreemly powerful. Even the amazing Dreamcast is not dominant because of its power. You know what is the number one console in the world today? The 8-bit GAMEBOY. >>
Woo-freaking-hoo. PS1 had like an 80% market share when Nintendo came in with a machine that was incredibly difficult to develop for, expensive due to cartridges, and a 3DO would run you $600. It was a toy that you played with at Fred Meyer, not something you took home.
<< b) X-box power is being measured in apples to oranges compared to PS2 and GameCube. Take a PIII 733, and a GeForceII Ultra. Run it through TV-out. Impressive... but doesn't wow me like MGS2, GT3, or even Soul Calibur. Game design is all that matters. Besides - run evena stripped down version of Win 2k on a 64 MB PC... watch how much power is left over for games. >>
Apples and oranges eh? How so? The machine is 3x the power of the PS2. Game design is all that matters, and obviously 160 developers with past experience will not be able to create compelling games. And THEY are trying to talk fucking apples and oranges? Youre trying to compare a full operating system that is 200MB to one that weighs in at 400Kb.
<< 2) I think this is X-box's true achillies heel - that the same lazy crap that gets churned out for the PC every week is now coming to your console. You really think M$ will say no to ANY game proposed that pays the marketing fee? So we saturate the market with endless PC ports. You know, PC ports are the worst selling set of Dreamcast games, and market saturation with poor quality games is what toppled Atari. X-box has a hard drive and runs DirectX... how many patches are we going to download? Buggy games here we come! Wow! Dad bought me Deer Hunter 18 for Christmas...
>>
Yeah, every game that came out for SNES or PS1 were masterpieces. You know goddamn well that only 10% of games are good games. Look at the freaking crapware for PS1, its nearly sickening. Even franchise games such as Twisted Metal games have gone from good fun games to choppy gameplay-sacrificed-for-eyecandy coasters that you only play because of the hype.
<< Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!! >>
Oooh, so lets get an add on hard drive for your PS2 that will be supported by only 5 companies. Fun! Theres more cash! DVD costs $20 extra so it will save you nearly $50 on console price. (By taking away DVD/Mpeg2 licensing fees) Controllers and mice are extra for EVERY CONSOLE, wtf! And we all know that the PS2 USB is exactly spec, not proprietary. Sigh, did you just come in and try to nef this?
<< I think a lot of us here, especially, have powerful PCs. Are you going to stop buying graphics cards? Faster processors? No - you will keep upgrading, and the market will keep developing new technology. So why will you buy an Xbox to play Quake4 on? Or will you buy Q4 for your PC and play on your 21 inch monitor at 1600x1200? Anything released for Xbox will be released for PC almost immediatly - they are the same thing! (Unless M$ can buy off a few games for exclusivity). >>
Xbox supports HDTV resolutions, meaning you can hook it straight to your monitor. And all games for Xbox will be on PC? Are you out of your mind? Do you seriously think that we can run games like they can? We have things called bottlenecks, consoles do not.
Gamecube looks to me like its Nintendo going back to its roots. Xbox is a beast machine with more features than any electronic device ever created, with a hard drive for expansions and killed load times. Built in ethernet will allow for internet play. I personally will own both a Gamecube AND an Xbox, because Nintendo will have killer titles that i will NEED to play also. PS2 doesnt stand a chance.
Optimus' post is the post of the devil. Everything he says is pure bull. I don't even feel the urge to defend against it, but hell, why not?
<< 1) a) Doesn't matter - N64 was more powerful than the PS1. 3DO was extreemly powerful. Even the amazing Dreamcast is not dominant because of its power. You know what is the number one console in the world today? The 8-bit GAMEBOY. >>
Woo-freaking-hoo. PS1 had like an 80% market share when Nintendo came in with a machine that was incredibly difficult to develop for, expensive due to cartridges, and a 3DO would run you $600. It was a toy that you played with at Fred Meyer, not something you took home.
<< b) X-box power is being measured in apples to oranges compared to PS2 and GameCube. Take a PIII 733, and a GeForceII Ultra. Run it through TV-out. Impressive... but doesn't wow me like MGS2, GT3, or even Soul Calibur. Game design is all that matters. Besides - run evena stripped down version of Win 2k on a 64 MB PC... watch how much power is left over for games. >>
Apples and oranges eh? How so? The machine is 3x the power of the PS2. Game design is all that matters, and obviously 160 developers with past experience will not be able to create compelling games. And THEY are trying to talk fucking apples and oranges? Youre trying to compare a full operating system that is 200MB to one that weighs in at 400Kb.
<< 2) I think this is X-box's true achillies heel - that the same lazy crap that gets churned out for the PC every week is now coming to your console. You really think M$ will say no to ANY game proposed that pays the marketing fee? So we saturate the market with endless PC ports. You know, PC ports are the worst selling set of Dreamcast games, and market saturation with poor quality games is what toppled Atari. X-box has a hard drive and runs DirectX... how many patches are we going to download? Buggy games here we come! Wow! Dad bought me Deer Hunter 18 for Christmas...
>>
Yeah, every game that came out for SNES or PS1 were masterpieces. You know goddamn well that only 10% of games are good games. Look at the freaking crapware for PS1, its nearly sickening. Even franchise games such as Twisted Metal games have gone from good fun games to choppy gameplay-sacrificed-for-eyecandy coasters that you only play because of the hype.
<< Cost is big too - when asked if the Xbox would be priced the same as the PS2 ($300), they replied by asking if the PS2 had ethernet and a big hard drive? Hmmmmmmm... cha-ching! Plus DVD is extra... cha-ching! Controllers and mice, keyboards, etc... proprietary USB, can't use your existing stuff... CHA-CHING!!!! >>
Oooh, so lets get an add on hard drive for your PS2 that will be supported by only 5 companies. Fun! Theres more cash! DVD costs $20 extra so it will save you nearly $50 on console price. (By taking away DVD/Mpeg2 licensing fees) Controllers and mice are extra for EVERY CONSOLE, wtf! And we all know that the PS2 USB is exactly spec, not proprietary. Sigh, did you just come in and try to nef this?
<< I think a lot of us here, especially, have powerful PCs. Are you going to stop buying graphics cards? Faster processors? No - you will keep upgrading, and the market will keep developing new technology. So why will you buy an Xbox to play Quake4 on? Or will you buy Q4 for your PC and play on your 21 inch monitor at 1600x1200? Anything released for Xbox will be released for PC almost immediatly - they are the same thing! (Unless M$ can buy off a few games for exclusivity). >>
Xbox supports HDTV resolutions, meaning you can hook it straight to your monitor. And all games for Xbox will be on PC? Are you out of your mind? Do you seriously think that we can run games like they can? We have things called bottlenecks, consoles do not.
Gamecube looks to me like its Nintendo going back to its roots. Xbox is a beast machine with more features than any electronic device ever created, with a hard drive for expansions and killed load times. Built in ethernet will allow for internet play. I personally will own both a Gamecube AND an Xbox, because Nintendo will have killer titles that i will NEED to play also. PS2 doesnt stand a chance.
Msatan: The other systems will be hackable too. Don't worry 'bout that. And you can run something cooler other than the same old some old.
Foreversilky: They're not going to worry about selling you a console if you just copy games. Most of these companies actually loose money on the consoles because the make it back with the games. Just buying a console and no games hurts the company.
Foreversilky: They're not going to worry about selling you a console if you just copy games. Most of these companies actually loose money on the consoles because the make it back with the games. Just buying a console and no games hurts the company.
blurredvision
Lifer
- Oct 19, 2000
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Sephiroth, geezuz christ man, I couldn't have said it better myself. ForeverSilky, that statement makes you look dumb. Really dumb.
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