Xbox One games at E3 were running on Geforce/Win7

[tviceman]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...ng-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html


Oh, the irony!

 

[2timer]

And Windows 7? What's that about

 

[Olikan]

irony inside of an irony

HP powered, Windows 7 system with Nvidia's 700 series GTX GPU.*

 

[AnandThenMan]

I'm trying to think of a way MS could spin this into a positive. I got nothing.

Epic fail wrapped in a face plant. Free PR for Nvidia. Check. Not even the confidence to use Windows 8. Check. Dev kit (if that's what that box even is) doesn't use hardware remotely like the Xbone. Check.

Microsoft.

 

[parvadomus]

lol, so not only they used a geforce, but the whole thing crashed? How is this free PR to Nvidia? It was a complete fail for everyone

 

[VulgarDisplay]

That would really explain why the Xbone games are able to look similar to the ps4 games with less GPU power. They were using far more GPU power. lololol.

This E3 has been a debacle from start to finish for Microsoft. I mean this may go down in history as one of the worst PR disasters in history.

 

[notty22]

That's why I did not step in to the debate, about the best graphics ever, PC or console, new gen, and so on.
You can't be sure what we are previewed will be what the games look like. That goes for PC preview for PC.
Console for Console, and in these cases, PC for consoles Just this past year that new AVP fail where the game looked nothing like a early preview.

 

[AnandThenMan]

How is this free PR to Nvidia?

From a casual observers perspective it's great PR for Nvidia. Instead of the Xbone being an AMD equipped box that MS is showing off, it's actually GeForce hardware. They can say hey, guess it takes real hardware to wow the audience etc. etc. there are many angles I can think of.

On the flip side, seeing Sony is using actual dev hardware, that does give validity to the argument that the PS4 is more akin to a high end PC than a mid level or even budget box when it comes to what is capable visually. But most people won't care or think about it that way, the first impression seeing GeForce in a PC masquerading as Microsoft's latest and greatest creation is just bad optics.

 

[Hitman928]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35144504&postcount=244

I agree it's a pr fail and bad optics though.

 

[HeXen]

I don't think this fact really says or means a god damned thing really when it comes down to it considering the system isn't released yet which means the reason being is because either the Xbone or/and games are not ready or to that stage yet.

Console games are always developed on PC hardware, it makes perfect sense that all the tech demo's would be running too rough to play on anything but a pretty high end system atm.

 

[notty22]

PS4 crashed to a custom OS
PS4 Games At E3 Ran On PS4 Dev Hardware, Not High-End PCs



Crash Reveals PS4 HDD Details and Streaming?

by Justin B. on June 11, 2013 @ 9:34 pm

 

[RussianSensation]

The only thing left to completely burry XB1 is RROD2. The console is a fail out of the gate in nearly every way imaginable. I don't think it even matters that they were using GeForce or an AMD card. What stands out is that XB1 will continue to use a Windows OS environment and with 3 separate OSes. Whether or not PS4 will be more stable needs to be evaluated over time but things look more risky for XB1 based on the complexity of its OS. The OS alone eats up 3GB of RAM. Compounding that with all the other areas the XB1 trails PS4, MS should take 2-3 months to reevaluate the pricing and the entire XB1 strategy, revise the HDD to 1TB, drop the price $100 or even $150 from $499, add a solid launch game. In the eyes of hardcore gamers (no, not 14 year old COD players), the XB1 is dead in the water. Many people I spoke to said they wouldn't even buy XB1 if it was $300 given all the disadvantages it has against PS4.

 

[AnandThenMan]

What stands out is that XB1 will continue to use a Windows OS environment and with 3 separate OSes.

I'm getting a very strong impression that the same mindset/design goals that went into Windows 8 are also a big part of the Xbone. If true, this is a very frightening proposition for the future of the console.

An older article, but this is something I wonder if MS is able to compete with:

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level. The system is also set up to run graphics and computational code synchronously, without suspending one to run the other.​

 

[Arkaign]

They are so freaking busted it's unbelievable. This would be akin to Honda announcing a new 250hp turbo Civic, letting car mags test drive it, all while telling them 'this is representative of the actual product'. Open the hood, and there's an 850HP LS7, RWD conversion, and 12.5" wide racing slicks.

It's deceptive to the max. And worse yet, they're not even running on the same family of GPU that they chose for the console.

Let's compare :

Discrete i7 (almost certainly an i7 in there, if not a full blown i7-X hex) @ at least 3.8Ghz range.
780GTX with 384-bit dedicated memory bus to memory with almost 300GB/sec speed, on a GPU so powerful that it makes the GPU portion of the Xbone APU look like a Ti99/4A.

vs. what amounts to a glorified tablet CPU, crap memory, and crap GPU onboard. Yeah, sure that's equal.

The icing on the cake is Win7, lol.

When Xbone actually launches, and the games look like crap in comparison to the E3 mock-ups in detail/framerate, I'm going to laugh even harder at them. It will be a great thing indeed to see them flee from the gaming marketplace, but I hope they lose a few billion first. 'Emergency edition Xbones for $199/$249' will be a fair possibility before the end.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It was honestly only a matter of time before they found a way to stream "bullshots" in real time. It's officially happened.

 

[0___________0]

This isn't unusual, and they've been doing it for years; although it's still deceptive nonetheless. If the game also has a PC variant, that's what they usually use to showcase it. They may be handing out Xbox controllers, but it's a PC that's running it. There was a journalist who wrote an article about last year's E3 and said almost everyone he spoke to admitted their multiplatform games were really being run on PC's. It's a little different now with the PS4 having very nice specs so they probably don't need any trickery; but there's a reason Dice chose to use PC's for their Battlefield demo.

I want to say it was Crysis 2, EA had IGN or someone come do a live stream preview of the Xbox 360 version, the game crashed and left everyone staring at a Windows OS. Wasn't even at E3 or anything. Maybe MS doesn't have the XB1 polished enough, but I don't think that's the primary factor, since this isn't anything new.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I was under the impression going by past launches that dev systems were at least an approximation of the final hardware. The processors could be clocked higher, more memory/storage etc. but based on the final architecture. But in this case the system was not even using a GPU from the same vendor, how can Microsoft even begin to claim they are fine tuning code to take advantage of their hardware? If MS plans on launching around the same time as the PS4, you'd think the hardware would be at a much later state of development.

 

[SPBHM]

the Assassins Creed live demo freezing during the Sony conference was running on a PC or dev hardware?

anyway, Nvidia and probably Intel CPU (?) feels like the Xbox1, I mean the old Xbox from 2001.

 

[Siberian]

Windows 7 and NVIDIA are probably the development platform for xbox1. This does destroy the myth that games might be optimized for AMD hardware.

 

[Genx87]

Windows 7 and NVIDIA are probably the development platform for xbox1. This does destroy the myth that games might be optimized for AMD hardware.

Exactly what I was thinking. Don't expect AMD optimizations. At least not out of the gate if the dev hardware is Nvidia powered.

What a PR disaster E3 has been for Microsoft.

 

[Erenhardt]

Jeez..Sony doesn't need to do a damn thing. M$ made Sony win this round. Xbone will be the greatest flop in gaming history!

 

[HeXen]

Jeez..Sony doesn't need to do a damn thing. M$ made Sony win this round. Xbone will be the greatest flop in gaming history!

No it won't, for the types that come to forums like this maybe, but in the mass market it will do fine, even if it's not #1.

 

[Arkaign]

No it won't, for the types that come to forums like this maybe, but in the mass market it will do fine, even if it's not #1.

I dunno, are you on Facebook? I am, though I know a few tech types boycott it. The word is OUT, half my FB feed of like 900 people are crapping all over the Xbox One, and good riddance. This is the world of social media, and with a reputation worse than the Nazis, I think Microsoft very well might fall right on their faces with Xbone.

 

[Lonyo]

They are so freaking busted it's unbelievable. This would be akin to Honda announcing a new 250hp turbo Civic, letting car mags test drive it, all while telling them 'this is representative of the actual product'. Open the hood, and there's an 850HP LS7, RWD conversion, and 12.5" wide racing slicks.

It's deceptive to the max. And worse yet, they're not even running on the same family of GPU that they chose for the console.

Let's compare :

Discrete i7 (almost certainly an i7 in there, if not a full blown i7-X hex) @ at least 3.8Ghz range.
780GTX with 384-bit dedicated memory bus to memory with almost 300GB/sec speed, on a GPU so powerful that it makes the GPU portion of the Xbone APU look like a Ti99/4A.

vs. what amounts to a glorified tablet CPU, crap memory, and crap GPU onboard. Yeah, sure that's equal.

The icing on the cake is Win7, lol.

When Xbone actually launches, and the games look like crap in comparison to the E3 mock-ups in detail/framerate, I'm going to laugh even harder at them. It will be a great thing indeed to see them flee from the gaming marketplace, but I hope they lose a few billion first. 'Emergency edition Xbones for $199/$249' will be a fair possibility before the end.

Lets tone down the bit about other people's posts being stupid and terrible please. -Shmee

"A high spec PC running Windows 7 is clearly superior to a lower spec console running Windows Kernel but not Windows itself".
That's why people have spent ages talking about how you can get more out of console hardware than comparable PC hardware. See: all the threads and general conversation in the wide world.

Don't bring in stupid car analogies that aren't comparable and have zero relevance.
Also consider the console isn't out yet. Games aren't out yet. Optimisation is still to come, so high end PC hardware with unoptimised game vs lower end console hardware with optimised game.

How is it not representative? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but there's no way to be sure, and it's entirely possible, if not likely, that it is in fact representative, since textures will be the same, res will be the same, and unless they need to cut details, the details might well be the same too. FPS might be lower on the console, but who knows, because it's not an optimised game yet.

Lets compare:
Your post about cards and PCs.
A sensible post which doesn't talk about cars, and realises that these games aren't yet optimised, and usually standardised console hardware can be more precisely utilised than PC hardware.

 

[Lonyo]

I dunno, are you on Facebook? I am, though I know a few tech types boycott it. The word is OUT, half my FB feed of like 900 people are crapping all over the Xbox One, and good riddance. This is the world of social media, and with a reputation worse than the Nazis, I think Microsoft very well might fall right on their faces with Xbone.

Remember all the people who were going to boycott CoD whatever, and then all bought it.