Xbox + HDD = Conspiracy

[juiio]

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<< they can't hold Microsoft liable for how their equipment was used in the hands of someone else? That's like suing Compaq for someone running a kiddie porn website off of it's servers.. >>

One word (name) for you: Napster.

edit: heh >>



Napster is nothing like that.

 

[pulse8]

Napster is a company that's being sued because of how people were using their software. How is it not like that? Aside from the fact that this would be hardware?

 

[Rogue]

Because Napster set out with the sole intent of people sharing copyrighted music files amongst themselves. Microsoft is not setting out to create a console which can run games from other consoles. If the people that purchase the unit however, choose to do so with their console, that's on the user, not on Microsoft. Napster is nothing like this situation.

 

[pulse8]

<< Because Napster set out with the sole intent of people sharing copyrighted music files amongst themselves. Microsoft is not setting out to create a console which can run games from other consoles. If the people that purchase the unit however, choose to do so with their console, that's on the user, not on Microsoft. Napster is nothing like this situation. >>



Ummm...no they didn't. They never intended people to share copywritten material. The intent was to share mp3s. Not all mp3s are copywritten.

 

[Rogue]

That's a load of crap. Napster knew early on that Metallicrap music was gonna get shared. They even fought against the artists (which I am not against anyway, because the music industry is crooked anyhow) to be able to distribute protected materials. That's what did them in. They didn't stick to their original intent, according to you, of simply trading non-protected music. I seriously doubt we're gonna see Microsoft come out and say, "Sony should change their practices and make a console that uses our games too. It's not our fault our users are doing it" like Napster pretty much did.

 

[Rickten]

Just because I could do it. Yeah not only do I have an X-box but I also use it as a CS server. I would do it just because.

 

[pulse8]

Whether they knew it was going to happen or not is irrelevent. The initial writing of the software and the software in and of itself was intended to share mp3s files. It just so happened that the mp3s happened to be copywritten ones. Their original intent had nothing to do with protected or unprotected music, but just mp3 files in general. It was a file sharing program, not a copywritten music sharing program.

 

[Ameesh]

rofl

 

[Rogue]

Well pulse, I can see you're not gonna concede and you don't have to. Just realize that no matter what happens, it's not gonna be stopped once it's started, no matter what they try to do. Realize also that it won't be the first and certainly not the last time Microsoft goes to court, but at least in this instance it's for something it's users did, not Microsoft itself (directly speaking). Finally, this possibility alone is enough for me to get an Xbox. I don't give a damn if the only emulator that ever comes out for the Xbox is for SNES games, that's good enough for me.

 

[pulse8]

<< Just realize that no matter what happens, it's not gonna be stopped once it's started, no matter what they try to do. >>



Who said it would? I'd like it to happen. I'm always happier when I get bonus features out of things. I loved Napster and the ideal of file sharing will never be stopped either, no matter what they try to do.

 

[Rogue]

So bring on the PS2 emulator for Xbox! Oh yeah! Hell, bring on some Limewire while they're at it so I can choose my audio tracks to use in whatever that game that let's you do that is. Long live the 'net revolutionaries!!!

 

[frizzlefry]

Napster created software on a medium for which it made it easier for users to commit copyright infringement. Bleem created software emulation. But we did not see Sony or SEGA being sued. Same case will be for Microsoft. In in fact this is all possible, MS saw the potential of non litigation if it came down to it. The ones that create the software will be sued. not the manufacturer of the hardware. If MS does not provide the software for which one can use to emulate, they are free and clear

 

[Rogue]

That's the argument I was looking for all along frizzle. Thanks. Pulse, what he said!

 

[pulse8]

You know what, you are right. The aspect that what people would be doing with their Xboxes would be copywrite infringement is incorrect. Very good, frizzle. *pats on back*



Good night all...

 

[weevis]

I don't know if this "conspiracy" was Microsoft's full intension, but chances are if emus were made for the X-box Microsoft would probably say something publicly while behind the scenes not doing anything about it. And besides....Microsoft wouldn't want to have another potential monopoly on there hands now would they. One more comment to....Xbox=server....what? I think not. With the going prices of processors and hardware you could probably bulid a more suitable machine for the same money if not less.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

wont happen. the system doesnt have the power to run ps2 games. hell we barely have enough power to get n64 games running. to emulate the new consoles it'll be 5 or 6 more years before we start seeing decent emulation of the hardware. the easiest to emulate would be the xbox of course. but there is no way the xbox could come close to running a ps2 game through an emulator. too much specialized hardware. same for gamecube. you cant just run a "mac" game on a pc without a performance hit.

maybe im missing something.

edit: same goes for the dreamcast. psx is a possibility (bleem on the dc).

 

[Phunktion]

Oh well I wouldn't mind at $300 they can make a multi-platform console all they want...

 

[Deeko]

I highly, highly doubt that there will be a GOOD PS2 emulator anytime in the next few years. The Emotion Engine is so complicated, it would take forever to figure that thing out.

I could see a PSX emulator though, Bleem! originally was on the PC after all.

 

It would do them no good to have a system that emulates other systems. They lose money on the actual system and make money on the games. If there is a PS2 emulator, Sony will make more money than Microsoft. A PS2 emulator on a P3-733 is fairly impossible due to the complexity of the system design.

My theory of the Xbox is that it was designed to be a bailout system. If it fails as a game console they can release a mouse & keyboard and it's a low-cost Internet device, or a TIVO alternative.

 

[StageLeft]

An emulator for the PS2 on a PC is an extremely difficult thing to make. I have heard that given the CPU setup in the PS2 its really not feasible. I think this isn't going to happen. The vid and memory setups in the PS2 are also too different.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

I don't get it. Dreamcast already has emulation that allows it to play SNES, NES, genesis, gameboy, and some PS1 games. It may not be the same as Xbox emulating a direct competitor like GameCube or PS2, but isn't it similar?

 

The PS2 has a very complicated architecture. I am no expert in the PS2 design, but it has at least three high level processors. The CPU of the PS2 is much more complex than the P3 chip in the Xbox. The NV2A in the Xbox may be able to emulate the 3d chip in the PS2 but all the other stuff is way to hard.

I hear the Jaguar is not able to be emulated for the very same reasons.