xbox hd dvd or toshiba hd dvd?

mmx

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I've preordered the xbox 360 drive, but I was wondering if I'll get better performance and visuals using the toshiba or another hd dvd player? besides the fact hdmi is included.
 

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Originally posted by: mmx
I've preordered the xbox 360 drive, but I was wondering if I'll get better performance and visuals using the toshiba or another hd dvd player? besides the fact hdmi is included.

Do you have a good HT system? 360 drive = no TrueHD, Toshiba HD-A1 has the 5.1 analog outs for TrueHD
 

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: mmx
I've preordered the xbox 360 drive, but I was wondering if I'll get better performance and visuals using the toshiba or another hd dvd player? besides the fact hdmi is included.

Do you have a good HT system? 360 drive = no TrueHD, Toshiba HD-A1 has the 5.1 analog outs for TrueHD

But isn't the Xbox 360 HDDVD drive much cheaper than that Toshiba? I think it is $200 vs almost $400, but still true HD is better and you have to connect the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive to the Xbox 360. Perhaps a hassle in the future.
 

JackBurton

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I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.
 

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

They're already out. They don't have the Analog Outs
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: mmx
I've preordered the xbox 360 drive, but I was wondering if I'll get better performance and visuals using the toshiba or another hd dvd player? besides the fact hdmi is included.

Do you have a good HT system? 360 drive = no TrueHD, Toshiba HD-A1 has the 5.1 analog outs for TrueHD

Why do you need analog outs for TrueHD?

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html

According to that it's carried via HDMI. :confused:
 

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Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: mmx
I've preordered the xbox 360 drive, but I was wondering if I'll get better performance and visuals using the toshiba or another hd dvd player? besides the fact hdmi is included.

Do you have a good HT system? 360 drive = no TrueHD, Toshiba HD-A1 has the 5.1 analog outs for TrueHD

Why do you need analog outs for TrueHD?

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html

According to that it's carried via HDMI. :confused:

Well you don't, but not everyone has an HDMI connection on their receiver, especially HDMI 1.3
 

Eug

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I'm getting the 360 HD DVD drive based on the (p)reviews that say that the video output from the Xbox 360 with HD DVD is stellar (over VGA or component only though, since it doesn't have HDMI).

It doesn't have TrueHD, but that doesn't bother me at all. However, it does decode TrueHD , but reencodes it to 640 Kbps Dolby Digital 5.1. Microsoft did say though they are considering adding (in a later firmware update) an option to reencode it to 1.5 Mbps DTS.

Either 640 Kbps DD or 1.5 DTS is all I need, since I don't have an HDMI receiver.
 

mmx

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the reason I preordered the xbox drive is because of the chance that games might come out. I'll probably get the ps3 as I want bluray so might as well, but usually game machines aren't best movie players
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: Eug
I'm getting the 360 HD DVD drive based on the (p)reviews that say that the video output from the Xbox 360 with HD DVD is stellar (over VGA or component only though, since it doesn't have HDMI).

It doesn't have TrueHD, but that doesn't bother me at all. However, it does decode TrueHD , but reencodes it to 640 Kbps Dolby Digital 5.1. Microsoft did say though they are considering adding (in a later firmware update) an option to reencode it to 1.5 Mbps DTS.

Either 640 Kbps DD or 1.5 DTS is all I need, since I don't have an HDMI receiver.

I agree. I am going to get the hd-dvd drive also.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

They're already out. They don't have the Analog Outs
If they're out Toshiba doesn't know about it as it's not on their site. The HD-A2 is scheduled for sometime in November and the HD-XA2 is scheduled for late December.
 

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

They're already out. They don't have the Analog Outs
If they're out Toshiba doesn't know about it as it's not on their site. The HD-A2 is scheduled for sometime in November and the HD-XA2 is scheduled for late December.

Link
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

They're already out. They don't have the Analog Outs
If they're out Toshiba doesn't know about it as it's not on their site. The HD-A2 is scheduled for sometime in November and the HD-XA2 is scheduled for late December.

Link
"This item has not yet been released."

The release date for the HD-A2 is the week of November 13th, so no, it's not out yet.
 

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Ah, missed that. Regardless, I still believe the HD-A1 is the better deal, because of the Analog Out's.
 

mrrman

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

less inputs on the new Toshiba....I think the current model is better
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: mrrman
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.

less inputs on the new Toshiba....I think the current model is better
Well that depends on what you need. If you don't have the receiver to do HDMI switching, the A1 would probably work out better for you. But everything is moving toward HDMI so all you are doing is delaying the inevitable. I prefer an HDMI connection and faster movie load times.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: mmx
the reason I preordered the xbox drive is because of the chance that games might come out.
???

You're getting the 360 HD DVD drive for non-existent HD DVD games? :confused:


Originally posted by: mrrman
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I would personally go for the Toshiba, BUT wait for the second gen to come out (HD-A2 or HD-XA2). They should be out in a few weeks.
less inputs on the new Toshiba....I think the current model is better
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Ah, missed that. Regardless, I still believe the HD-A1 is the better deal, because of the Analog Out's.
The A2 is supposed to be faster at loading the discs.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Eug
The A2 is supposed to be faster at loading the discs.
The A2 is also much smaller than the A1, if that matters to anyone. The A2 has been said to also have a much improved remote (the A1 was kind of clunky and most people just bought a Harmony remote).

Size comparison:

HD-A1

HD-A2
 

Eug

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The other issue is that the Xbox 360 drive will come this week or next week at the latest. The A2 won't be until a bit later. OTOH, the A2 comes with 3 free HD DVDs.

P.S. With regards to disc loading, although the A2 is supposed to be faster than the A1, the Xbox 360 setup is supposed to be the fastest by far. For me it's a no brainer at $200, but that's because I don't need the other audio formats, and because I'm out of component video inputs anyway. The Xbox 360 drive allows me to add HD DVD without needing any more inputs.

I won't be using the Microsoft remote. I have a Harmony remote programmed for the Xbox 360. (I'm so happy isn't using Bluetooth like the PS3 is. Getting a universal remote for the PS3 is going to be expensive, and a pain.)
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: mmx
the reason I preordered the xbox drive is because of the chance that games might come out. I'll probably get the ps3 as I want bluray so might as well,but usually game machines aren't best movie players

Typically true, but I've found the Xbox360 to be a stellar DVD player. Better than the standalone I had before (Pioneer DVP640 or something like that), which had been my best quality player for the price.

For that reason, the fact that I don't need or care about TrueHD and the low price compard to current standalone players, I would get the Xbox360 HD-DVD player (if you already have an Xbox360)....but I don't intend to purchase any such player until a true victor over the format war emerges and movie prices have come down.

edit: Researched more about Xbox360's upscaling of regular DVDs. Apparently only 480p over component (booo!) and up to 1080p with VGA....now I'm going to have to consider shelling out the $40 for that VGA cable as I've read it does a great job of upconversion on regular DVDs.(even if my TV only does 720p/1080i).
 

mmx

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my problem is that my 60in xbr sony doesn't display more than 1280x1024 on vga, instead of 1080p.
 

Cabages

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Meh, my TV only goes up to 1080i anyway, so if its anything, its the HD-DVD drive.

Course I might just rent the movie over Live.