From what I hear there are a lot better selection of games on the 360, yet there is a temp overheat problem.
XBox 360 still more popular than the wii?
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Yes, the reliability of the 360 is currently poor. A new and cooler design is supposed to be out before the end of the year.
The 360 has the best "serious" game line up and the best online play.
The wii is a "social" / "party game" system for playing with friends in the same room. Graphics are weak since it's just 2 GameCubes duct-taped together with new waggle controllers.
The 360 has the best "serious" game line up and the best online play.
The wii is a "social" / "party game" system for playing with friends in the same room. Graphics are weak since it's just 2 GameCubes duct-taped together with new waggle controllers.
Or pay the extra $30-60 for a 1- or 2-year extended warranty from Microsoft.
Then the only problem is that for some people it's taken over 3 weeks to get a 360 back from MS service when it breaks. So:
+ you get to play now
- you'll lose the 360 for 2-3 weeks later when it breaks on you
- you'll pay another $140 for repairs after your extended warranty is up
First there are reports of a new cooling unit on some of the repaired models also some of the elites and new premiums, and Microsoft will not announce when they change the cooling (though the likely will announce when they move to the 65nm chips which should help). Second while the failure rate has been somewhat high its not uncommon for consoles to have issues and I am not sure that the 360's failure rates are that much higher then the original (ie non slim) ps2's which also had a fair amount of problems. If you keep your console well ventilated you may not have a problem (and I know people with launch consoles that are still working fine).
purbeast0
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I have both a Wii and an Xbox360. My Wii sits there and collects dust. Infact my power went out about 6 weeks ago and the light on it is still red because I haven't bothered turning it on since then.
I play my xbox360 almost daily. The games are just a lot more fun to me.
The reliability of the 360 is seriously something to consider however. My launch one broke on me the following May. Pretty much every person that I know in real life (that's about 10 people) who has an Xbox360 has had it break on them atleast once. My half brother got an Xbox360 for xmas last year and he's on his 3rd Xbox360 already.
I play my xbox360 almost daily. The games are just a lot more fun to me.
The reliability of the 360 is seriously something to consider however. My launch one broke on me the following May. Pretty much every person that I know in real life (that's about 10 people) who has an Xbox360 has had it break on them atleast once. My half brother got an Xbox360 for xmas last year and he's on his 3rd Xbox360 already.
Fingolfin269
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It kind of makes you wonder if it is a batch/regional issue. No one I know has had an issue and everyone you know has had an issue. That's just too weird to be coincidence.
People report every number in between, 0% to >100% (multiple failures) for their friends in all the 360 failure threads I've read.
The number is clearly higher than normal, even Microsoft has shifted from their old denial of "normal" to non-answers like "it's a moving target", "focus on how we handle the repairs" and the latest: "a vast majority" (i.e. at least 51%) "of owners are happy."
They have also:
- admitted the launch batch had manufacturing issues and extended the warranty to essentially forever
- added epoxy to the Elite motherboard to reduce failures
- switched heatsink designs to reduce the problem of shipped refurbs failing almost immediately (an ArsTechnica GESC member had his refurb replacement die in 1 hour).
Despite the "blame the victim" claim of "mine works, you must be abusing yours" many people here and at Ars have had failures of 360s that were always treated properly.
The number is clearly higher than normal, even Microsoft has shifted from their old denial of "normal" to non-answers like "it's a moving target", "focus on how we handle the repairs" and the latest: "a vast majority" (i.e. at least 51%) "of owners are happy."
They have also:
- admitted the launch batch had manufacturing issues and extended the warranty to essentially forever
- added epoxy to the Elite motherboard to reduce failures
- switched heatsink designs to reduce the problem of shipped refurbs failing almost immediately (an ArsTechnica GESC member had his refurb replacement die in 1 hour).
Despite the "blame the victim" claim of "mine works, you must be abusing yours" many people here and at Ars have had failures of 360s that were always treated properly.
Do you have a gaming PC? If so, the 360 won't offer you much over what the PC does, since nearly all the good games are ports or will be ported.
Yes, 360s overheat and die. A lot. For every person that says they don't know anyone who's 360 has died, you can find a person that says they don't know anyone who's 360 hasn't died. (I'm one of them).
The wii is unique and fun, but it really seems to be a love it or hate it thing. But the fact that you're probably not going to be able to just waltz into a store and buy one may complicate things.
If you have to ask, you're certainly not a "hardcore gamer", and you'll probably enjoy the Wii. If you want shooters and racers, have other friends with a 360, and don't mind being called a cotton picking n**** by 11 year olds all across the country, 360 all the way. Gears of War with 7 friends was definitely an incredible experience though.
But being told "Draw 4, mother f***r!!! Color is green, BIATCH!!", by someone who is clearly prepubescent, in a casual game of UNO is not for everyone.
Cellulose
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Originally posted by: BD2003
Do you have a gaming PC? If so, the 360 won't offer you much over what the PC does, since nearly all the good games are ports or will be ported.
Yes, 360s overheat and die. A lot. For every person that says they don't know anyone who's 360 has died, you can find a person that says they don't know anyone who's 360 hasn't died. (I'm one of them).
The wii is unique and fun, but it really seems to be a love it or hate it thing. But the fact that you're probably not going to be able to just waltz into a store and buy one may complicate things.
If you have to ask, you're certainly not a "hardcore gamer", and you'll probably enjoy the Wii. If you want shooters and racers, have other friends with a 360, and don't mind being called a cotton picking n**** by 11 year olds all across the country, 360 all the way. Gears of War with 7 friends was definitely an incredible experience though.
But being told "Draw 4, mother f***r!!! Color is green, BIATCH!!", by someone who is clearly prepubescent, in a casual game of UNO is not for everyone.
I have a gaming PC (e6600 8800gts etc.) but I still prefer playing my Xbox, in fact my PC is barely touched now which seems like a HUGE waste of money
Since when was it ever more popular? Wii's sales rates have always been higher than the 360 throughout its life. Although the 360 has been out a year long and also has more sales overall because of that.
Well of course the 360 is going to have a better selection, it has been out a year longer compared to the Wii's few months
As far as overheating, I wouldn't worry about that too much unless you live in a warm environment and cram your 360 into a cabinet with poor air circulation and full of other hot electronic devices.
I'm holding out on a 360 more for a price drop more than improved cooling (although I'm also hoping the more cooling efficient hardware revisions are available by then...that would certainly seal the deal for me) In the meantime I'll enjoy my Wii (+ older systems and PC).
I do a lot of pc games (sports, LOTRO Online, WOW, S.T.A.L.K.E.R)
I like the feature though that vista and xbox360 can work hand in hand.
I like the feature though that vista and xbox360 can work hand in hand.
360 + BestBuy warranty FTW. I bought my 360 Elite on launch day, and it's been doing great! But if anythign goes wrong with it, I just take it back to BB and replace it that day. None of this waiting for 2-3weeks junk.
Don Vito Corleone
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This is more or less totally false. Many of the premier titles on the 360 have no PC counterpart, nor will they.
- you'll lose the 360 for 2-3 weeks later when it breaks on you[/quote]
thats way off man. i sent my 360 in and got it back in less than a week.
i would not waste my money getting a wii, even with having to send my 360 back in.
Dead Rising, Forza and GoW are the only notable titles I can think of that arent off or coming to the PC.
Over at Ars a poster in the GESC forum waited 26 days, and the refurb replacement failed after 1 hour.
Some people get one back in a week, but 2-3 is common.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DonVito
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: BD2003
Do you have a gaming PC? If so, the 360 won't offer you much over what the PC does, since nearly all the good games are ports or will be ported.</end quote></div>
This is more or less totally false. Many of the premier titles on the 360 have no PC counterpart, nor will they.</end quote></div>
Lets take a look at the top 10 best reviewed games for the 360 (according to gamerankings.com)
1) Oblivion - PC
2) Gears of War
3) Guitar Hero II
4) GRAW - PC
5) Castlevania (XBLA)
6) Call of Duty 2 - PC
7) Forza Motorsport 2
8) Rainbow Six Vegas - PC
9) Burnout Revenge
10) PGR 3
11) Oblivion: Shivering Isles - PC
12) Geometry Wars - (XBLA)
13) GRAW 2 - PC
14) Dead or Alive 4
15) FNR 3
16) Dead Rising
17) Viva Pinata
18) NBA 2k7
19) Splinter Cell Double Agent - PC
20) F.E.A.R. - PC
7 of the 20 (35%) are currently available on PC.
If you count the arcade games, which can almost definitely be obtained one way or another for the PC, you get 9 of 20 (45%).
So there is a significant amount of overlap between 360 and PC, but not so much that a 360 is irrelevent, especially since it is a pretty cheap and easy to use alternative to PC gaming.
EDIT: Plus Gears of War is the big system seller right now and is 360 exclusive. When Halo 3 comes out it will be at least a year and probably more until the PC version comes.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: BD2003
Do you have a gaming PC? If so, the 360 won't offer you much over what the PC does, since nearly all the good games are ports or will be ported.</end quote></div>
This is more or less totally false. Many of the premier titles on the 360 have no PC counterpart, nor will they.</end quote></div>
Lets take a look at the top 10 best reviewed games for the 360 (according to gamerankings.com)
1) Oblivion - PC
2) Gears of War
3) Guitar Hero II
4) GRAW - PC
5) Castlevania (XBLA)
6) Call of Duty 2 - PC
7) Forza Motorsport 2
8) Rainbow Six Vegas - PC
9) Burnout Revenge
10) PGR 3
11) Oblivion: Shivering Isles - PC
12) Geometry Wars - (XBLA)
13) GRAW 2 - PC
14) Dead or Alive 4
15) FNR 3
16) Dead Rising
17) Viva Pinata
18) NBA 2k7
19) Splinter Cell Double Agent - PC
20) F.E.A.R. - PC
7 of the 20 (35%) are currently available on PC.
If you count the arcade games, which can almost definitely be obtained one way or another for the PC, you get 9 of 20 (45%).
So there is a significant amount of overlap between 360 and PC, but not so much that a 360 is irrelevent, especially since it is a pretty cheap and easy to use alternative to PC gaming.
EDIT: Plus Gears of War is the big system seller right now and is 360 exclusive. When Halo 3 comes out it will be at least a year and probably more until the PC version comes.
Don Vito Corleone
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Depends what you mean by "notable," and how long you're willing to wait. There are no Burnout or PGR games on the PC, nor will there ever be, and these are two of my favorite franchises. GTA4 will not be out on PC anytime in the foreseeable future, and you'll wait a long time for Halo 3 as well. I don't believe there are PC ports of Guitar Hero in the works either.
I was a console holdout for a LONG time - I didn't own a console between my NES and my Xbox - but now I see consoles as a great value, in that my 360 cost only as much as a video card, and doesn't require constant upgrading and maintenance. I also prefer lounging on the couch and gaming on my 50" TV and floor-shaking audio system to sitting in my desk chair and playing on a 20" monitor. To each his own I guess.
Well, I wouldnt count the arcade games, and 45% is pretty serious. Those are certainly the top 20 games, but I still dont consider most of the non-ports notable, although I should add Viva Pinata to my list of notables. GH2, Burnout and NBA2k7 can all be bought for the PS2 even. Out of that list of 20, only 6 (gow, forza, pgr3, doa4, dead rising and viva pinata) are actually exclusive to the 360.
I'm not saying that a 360 is *useless* if you have a gaming PC, just that there is a HUGE amount of overlap with the PC and other consoles. GoW is great and all, but the Wii, on the other hand has a far more unique library that he just isnt going to experience with his PC. If he was going to buy one console, and one console only, I'd say go for the one that is least like what you already have.
Unless he has lots of friends with a 360 - then its absolutely killer for xbox live, and that IS exclusive.
Don Vito Corleone
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I guess I find your post nonsensical. The 360 is the only console that combines these titles, whether or not they're exclusive - it doesn't make any sense to exclude the XBLA games. At the end of the day, it has (IMO) the most satisfying library of any current-gen console.
I don't really understand recommending a console based on the fact that it is "less like" other ones - by this criteria a DS would be just as valid a suggestion. The Wii has been an amazing success story in the market, but it isn't really a viable choice for most serious gamers - the people I know who have them spend more time messing with their Miis than they do playing games. It's interesting how twitchy and palsied the Wii control scheme is in the menus - this is the same reason it doesn't lend itself to precise control during gaming.
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