XBox 360 Information Thread - now 3 videos up! (MTV, 2 MS)

[James3shin]

I don't think MS would use a Sony Proprietory Device/Format on their very own system...I was however expecting some kind of HD-DVD support, maybe there is....still the games and all should look hella sweet.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Wow - this thing sounds like a beast! It should be a killer HTPC when cracked open and modded.

 

[Rogue]

Looks like they've tried to incorporate most of the things that modders made a market for to limit the "issues" they had with the first Xbox. Specifically, they've attacked:

Case modding
X-link Kai
XBMC

Live free on the weekends is a big enough sell for me. The only thing I DIDN'T see on that list was backward compatibility with previous games, other than that, it looks interesting.

 

[daniel1113]

IMO, it's smart that MS held-off on HD-DVD/BlueRay support. Hell, who knows which design will even end up being used, if any. The two camps could produce a hybrid design in the next few months that would completely nullify any HD-DVD/BlueRay drive used in the XBox.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: ncircle
wow.
goodbye pc gaming!

yeah, really

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Calm down. Just pointing out what the largest rumours going around are speculating. Plus, I think it was TeamXBOX or another modding group that got an XBOX dev kit and verified there is backwards compatability code in there.

 

[mordantmonkey]

With consoles using multi-core technology, do you think it will increase the development of multithreaded games for PC dual cores as well? they did say 3 symmetrical cores, do they mean clockspeed, or symmetrical in architecture too?

 

[Rogue]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Remember, Microsoft does have an Virtual OS application, so don't say it's impossible. Three 3.2 GHz processors is on the surface quite a bit more horsepower than a single 700MHz Celeron variant.

 

[Qwest]

i wonder how long till the mods come along. i dont know if i'll be able to wait it out..hehe.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Calm down. Just pointing out what the largest rumours going around are speculating. Plus, I think it was TeamXBOX or another modding group that got an XBOX dev kit and verified there is backwards compatability code in there.

haha i could really care less either way,
but i'm raising BS card for the above specs.

There no way you could sell 3 core 3ghz PPC box for 300 bucks. The processor alone is worth more. Look at the speeds on apples pcs - that's the top of the line of IBM ppc chips.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: halik
haha i could really care less either way,
but i'm raising BS card for the above specs.

There no way you could sell 3 core 3ghz PPC box for 300 bucks. The processor alone is worth more. Look at the speeds on apples pcs - that's the top of the line of IBM ppc chips.

Console manufacturers have always taken a loss on console sales. One of the advantages to console gaming is getting more for your money at the time of purchase.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Remember, Microsoft does have an Virtual OS application, so don't say it's impossible. Three 3.2 GHz processors is on the surface quite a bit more horsepower than a single 700MHz Celeron variant.

Yeah,
a) you can't multithread it, so your other two cores are useless (since the x86 code is single threaded)
b) you'd need hell of an emulator to port over all the kernel calls and direct harware drawing for the games. It's not like you're emulating windows drawing - this is direct3d harware accelerated apps we're talking about.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: halik
haha i could really care less either way,
but i'm raising BS card for the above specs.

There no way you could sell 3 core 3ghz PPC box for 300 bucks. The processor alone is worth more. Look at the speeds on apples pcs - that's the top of the line of IBM ppc chips.

well they could negotiate a wholesale price. plus they are probably losing money on the console itself anyway. the trade off is more sales in games and peripherals. plus expanding their user base in the war against sony.

 

[feelingshorter]

sounds like its going to be expensive with all that features.

 

[Shlong]

Hardware consoles take a loss (to make money back on software) but depending on the price of the Xbox360, Microsoft could take a very large loss for each console sold compared to the original Xbox.

 

[five40]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Calm down. Just pointing out what the largest rumours going around are speculating. Plus, I think it was TeamXBOX or another modding group that got an XBOX dev kit and verified there is backwards compatability code in there.

haha i could really care less either way,
but i'm raising BS card for the above specs.

There no way you could sell 3 core 3ghz PPC box for 300 bucks. The processor alone is worth more. Look at the speeds on apples pcs - that's the top of the line of IBM ppc chips.

If those really are the specs that would be AWESOME. 3x3.2GHZ and top of the line GPU. Hell I'd use that for a PC if someone figured out how to load an OS on it (linux, windows, osx, I don't care). It'd smoke my current machine.

 

[mobobuff]

When consoles ditch the single handheld unit controller, and find a much more fluid and less restricting input... I'll start investing in them. I'd be very interested in VR, too...

 

[rockyct]

This thing looks pretty ugly to me. Maybe when I see it in person I'll like it, but not now. (BTW, I own all three current consoles, so I'm not a PS3 fanboy).

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: halik
haha i could really care less either way,
but i'm raising BS card for the above specs.

There no way you could sell 3 core 3ghz PPC box for 300 bucks. The processor alone is worth more. Look at the speeds on apples pcs - that's the top of the line of IBM ppc chips.

Console manufacturers have always taken a loss on console sales. One of the advantages to console gaming is getting more for your money at the time of purchase.

I don't think you understand - go to apple.com and look at the specs of the 4K powerpc system. It's not even 3ghz.

Quite honstly it's not possible to sell something that fast for that cheap. The box with those specs would cost 1g+

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: halik
Quite honstly it's not possible to sell something that fast for that cheap. The box with those specs would cost 1g+

No real point in arguing right now. Odds are pricing info wont be released until after the summer.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze
Yes, but how much?!?

Any word on that yet? Any thoughts?

All the rumours right now suggest $299 or $399 with the HD and backwards compatability.

that's bulsh!t,
you can't emulate x86 instruction fast enough to make the old games work. Either that or the specs are bs.

Well, maybe you can, maybe you can't. Who knows what new tech they may have cooked up? Could be that they've managed to get it sorted out, though. I imagine that a well written emulation app that uses the 6 threads on 3 3.2ghz CPU's with 512MB of GDDR3 memory could *probably* emulate a 733Mhz CPU with 64MB of RAM.

Just a guess, but I can't wait to find out for sure

Jason

 

[Rogue]

Microsoft only recently started seeing profit in the Xbox division. Do you think they can't afford to still take a loss to break into the market? Microsoft is also counting on manufacturing efficiences, mass purchase power and many other market factors to put that much hardware on the market for anything under $500.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Microsoft only recently started seeing profit in the Xbox division. Do you think they can't afford to still take a loss to break into the market? Microsoft is also counting on manufacturing efficiences, mass purchase power and many other market factors to put that much hardware on the market for anything under $500.

Oh yeah, with over $40,000,000 CASH sitting in the bank I'd daresay Microsoft can afford to take a loss for awhile to break into the market, and it would hardly be a surprise. What company *hasn't* taken losses on hardware when entering a new generation of the console market? Also it's not like XBox 1 will evaporate from shelves come November; they'll keep selling it and making a profit for a good long while, I'm sure.

Jason

 

[UNCjigga]

Doesn't MS currently sell WMV HD movies stored on standard DVD discs? My guess is that this box should be able to play those.

Not sure about the sound specs...no mention of Dolby Digital ES/DTS, Dolby Live or any of that. Also, 48khz 16-bit seems low...shouldn't it at least do DVD-Audio or SACD spec of 24bit/96khz or whatever it is?