Xbox 360 HD to PC?

[imported_Com80787]

Hi all,

Is there an inexpensive (read under $100) means to connect the HD cables from an Xbox 360 to a PC and have an HD image displayed? I already have a display necessary, but I guess I just need some kind of PCI card or something? Does such a card exist?

Thanks

 

[SynthDude2001]

There are no Component capture cards currently on the market - at least, none in the consumer space and below like $3000. For now, the only way to display that HD image on a PC monitor is if your monitor has the appropriate input (Component like on the 2405FPW, or perhaps just a regular VGA connection if you have the adapter for it - I remember reading that Microsoft was going to release a VGA output cable for the Xbox360, but I don't know if it's actually out yet).

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[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Com80787
Hi all,

Is there an inexpensive (read under $100) means to connect the HD cables from an Xbox 360 to a PC and have an HD image displayed? I already have a display necessary, but I guess I just need some kind of PCI card or something? Does such a card exist?

Thanks

No need for another card, just buy the DVI VGA cable for the 360, plugs right into any monitor with a DVI port.

 

[mcmikemc]

There is NO DVI cable or adaptor for the 360.

There is a VGA cable for the 360. I used it to play my 360 on my 2005FPW until I got my 1080P LCD TV and now I use the VGA cable to connect to my TV.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: mcmikemc
There is NO DVI cable or adaptor for the 360.

There is a VGA cable for the 360. I used it to play my 360 on my 2005FPW until I got my 1080P LCD TV and now I use the VGA cable to connect to my TV.

Yes there is, you use the frieking hdmi to DVI adapter fool. Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Zstream
Yes there is, you use the frieking hdmi to DVI adapter fool.

If you have an HDMI cable for the XBox, you should be able to do this. But AFAIK there is not one available yet (unless it's a third-party one).

Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

Uh... what?

Standard and High-definition gaming output in the following VGA formats:
640 x 480, 848x480, 1024 x 768, 1280 x 720, 1280 x 768, 1280 x 1024, and 1360 x 768

Sounds like 1080i no, but 720p or 1280x1024 yes. Odd that they don't have 1280x960 listed...

 

[mcmikemc]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: mcmikemc
There is NO DVI cable or adaptor for the 360.

There is a VGA cable for the 360. I used it to play my 360 on my 2005FPW until I got my 1080P LCD TV and now I use the VGA cable to connect to my TV.

Yes there is, you use the frieking hdmi to DVI adapter fool. Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

I call your BS claim. Post some proof that there is currently (as of 04/03/06 6:36pm EST) a DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

I will save you some time. There is no DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

Your claim about VGA not being HD just shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. VGA is capable of doing 1080p which is a higher resolution than the most common HD resolutions (720p and 1080i).

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: mcmikemc

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: mcmikemc
There is NO DVI cable or adaptor for the 360.

There is a VGA cable for the 360. I used it to play my 360 on my 2005FPW until I got my 1080P LCD TV and now I use the VGA cable to connect to my TV.

Yes there is, you use the frieking hdmi to DVI adapter fool. Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

I call your BS claim. Post some proof that there is currently (as of 04/03/06 6:36pm EST) a DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

I will save you some time. There is no DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

Your claim about VGA not being HD just shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. VGA is capable of doing 1080p which is a higher resolution than the most common HD resolutions (720p and 1080i).

HDMI to DVI cables are frequently found all over... Heres a whole list of em!And if you use the VGA cable, it wont be in true HD.

 

[OnEMoReTrY]

Um.. if by "true HD" you mean 1080i then yes, the VGA cable w/ the xbox 360 will not be "true HD", but 1280*720 (720p) is still HD. And 1280*720 on VGA looks a heck of a lot better then 1280*720 on component, thats a fact.

 

[mcmikemc]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: mcmikemc

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: mcmikemc
There is NO DVI cable or adaptor for the 360.

There is a VGA cable for the 360. I used it to play my 360 on my 2005FPW until I got my 1080P LCD TV and now I use the VGA cable to connect to my TV.

Yes there is, you use the frieking hdmi to DVI adapter fool. Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

I call your BS claim. Post some proof that there is currently (as of 04/03/06 6:36pm EST) a DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

I will save you some time. There is no DVI or HDMI cable for the Xbox 360.

Your claim about VGA not being HD just shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. VGA is capable of doing 1080p which is a higher resolution than the most common HD resolutions (720p and 1080i).

HDMI to DVI cables are frequently found all over... Heres a whole list of em!And if you use the VGA cable, it wont be in true HD.

Please read the bold and underlined section of the above quotes and post again with the requested proof.

Since I seem to be crazy thinking that VGA can carry a HD signal please tell me what constitutes a HD signal and why a VGA cable cannot carry one.

I thought 1080p was considered a HD signal and I know a VGA cable can carry one. But according to a few people that have replied in this post I am wrong.

 

[Sonikku]

1280x720 @ 60htz is considered High Definition. As my Sony FW900 can push 1920x1200 at 85htz through VGA, I think it can handle 720p.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Sonikku
1280x720 @ 60htz is considered High Definition. As my Sony FW900 can push 1920x1200 at 85htz through VGA, I think it can handle 720p.

Yeah, I'm not getting why all these people claim that a VGA cable/connection cannot carry HD resolutions

 

[grimlykindo]

VGA can carry HD

My CRT monitor does 1080P through VGA

HD just means that it runs 720p or higher resolutions. Computers have been doing "HD" for years. Its really only a new thing to TVs.

And no, there is no DVI or HDMI output cable for 360s yet! Only VGA - which was mentioned earlier. So your best bet is to get the VGA 360 cable and get a VGA-DVI adapter to connect your LCD monitors.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: grimlykindo
VGA can carry HD

My CRT monitor does 1080P through VGA

HD just means that it runs 720p or higher resolutions. Computers have been doing "HD" for years. Its really only a new thing to TVs.

And no, there is no DVI or HDMI output cable for 360s yet! Only VGA - which was mentioned earlier. So your best bet is to get the VGA 360 cable and get a VGA-DVI adapter to connect your LCD monitors.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

I'm not even sure that a VGA->DVI adapter even exists, and even if it did it would be mostly pointless (unless the monitor in question didn't have a VGA input, which I'd be very surprised if it didn't). But yeah, you're right about everything else

 

[mcmikemc]

I am glad I am not going crazy.

Time to go play 360 in HD at 720p on my TV using the VGA cable with my pink elephant.

 

[Acanthus]

2048x1536 on VGA here :Q

 

[mcmikemc]

But it is on VGA so it is not HD.

lol

 

[Fox5]

There are DVI (yes, DVI-D, not just I or A) adapters to vga, but they're rare. I don't think there's anything to go the other way.
I did see a homemade PCI card someone made that could accept component in though.

 

[dunno99]

"HD" means "High Definition", as opposed to "SD" which means "Standard Definition." SD equates to a usable resolution of around 640x480 (although its usable bandwidth can actually handle higher, but is this way due to blanking...remember, this was designed for CRTs, not TFTs). High Definition means anything beyond Standard Definition. And no, HD does not mean digital, and can also be analog (component video is analog). I think the problem is that someone is confusing the capabilities of the "VGA Cable" versus the IBM definition of "VGA." In that sense, yes, the IBM definition of "VGA" is not HD, since it's only 256 colours at 720x400...but I think everyone here should know the context.

However, to answer someone's question about what monitor doesn't have a VGA input...well, the Dell FPW3007 actually does not have VGA input. It only has DVI. However, I believe the DVI to VGA adaptor you get from some video cards is capable of converting the the physical layout from VGA to DVI. I think most of these adaptors that come with the video cards are male DVI and female VGA. So, for those of you lucky enough to own a 3007, you can probably plug the converter on to the monitor (the monitor's end should be female DVI), and the VGA cable for the XBox 360 (which should male VGA) into the VGA end of the adaptor.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: dunno99
However, to answer someone's question about what monitor doesn't have a VGA input...well, the Dell FPW3007 actually does not have VGA input. It only has DVI. However, I believe the DVI to VGA adaptor you get from some video cards is capable of converting the the physical layout from VGA to DVI. I think most of these adaptors that come with the video cards are male DVI and female VGA. So, for those of you lucky enough to own a 3007, you can probably plug the converter on to the monitor (the monitor's end should be female DVI), and the VGA cable for the XBox 360 (which should male VGA) into the VGA end of the adaptor.

For reason that I would *hope* would be obvious, that will not work.

DVI and VGA are completely different protocols. The "adapters" you get with video cards are DVI-I->VGA adapters that just move some pins around; the DVI-I outputs have both DVI-D and VGA output capability already.

To actually change from DVI-D to VGA and vice versa, you need a transcoder. They're not cheap. VGA would also have a hard time with the native resolution on the Dell 3007FPW; usually 2048x1536 is the highest resolution supported over VGA.

 

[rbV5]

Also if you are using a VGA cable it is not HD!

Someone needs a wiki linki

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: dunno99
"HD" means "High Definition", as opposed to "SD" which means "Standard Definition." SD equates to a usable resolution of around 640x480 (although its usable bandwidth can actually handle higher, but is this way due to blanking...remember, this was designed for CRTs, not TFTs). High Definition means anything beyond Standard Definition. And no, HD does not mean digital, and can also be analog (component video is analog). I think the problem is that someone is confusing the capabilities of the "VGA Cable" versus the IBM definition of "VGA." In that sense, yes, the IBM definition of "VGA" is not HD, since it's only 256 colours at 720x400...but I think everyone here should know the context.

High Definition doesn't mean everything beyond SD... there's ED (Extended Definition) which is (IIRC) 854x480p, which is definately not considered HD. It was a popular (may still be?) resolution for cheaper, smaller plasma screens.

 

[dunno99]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
For reason that I would *hope* would be obvious, that will not work.

DVI and VGA are completely different protocols. The "adapters" you get with video cards are DVI-I->VGA adapters that just move some pins around; the DVI-I outputs have both DVI-D and VGA output capability already.

To actually change from DVI-D to VGA and vice versa, you need a transcoder. They're not cheap. VGA would also have a hard time with the native resolution on the Dell 3007FPW; usually 2048x1536 is the highest resolution supported over VGA.

Nevermind, I thought the 3007 has a DVI-I connector. Apparently it's only DVI-D, so nothing goes for that route. (if it was DVI-A, then the method I mentioned would work)

Originally posted by: Raduque
High Definition doesn't mean everything beyond SD... there's ED (Extended Definition) which is (IIRC) 854x480p, which is definately not considered HD. It was a popular (may still be?) resolution for cheaper, smaller plasma screens.

You are right. But I don't think it ever hit mainstream (plasma, at the time of ED, would not be considered mainstream). And with the coming of HD, neither would it ever be. But I think the point of the OP isn't to do with ED, but still nice to be informed. =)

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: dunno99
"HD" means "High Definition", as opposed to "SD" which means "Standard Definition." SD equates to a usable resolution of around 640x480 (although its usable bandwidth can actually handle higher, but is this way due to blanking...remember, this was designed for CRTs, not TFTs). High Definition means anything beyond Standard Definition. And no, HD does not mean digital, and can also be analog (component video is analog). I think the problem is that someone is confusing the capabilities of the "VGA Cable" versus the IBM definition of "VGA." In that sense, yes, the IBM definition of "VGA" is not HD, since it's only 256 colours at 720x400...but I think everyone here should know the context.

High Definition doesn't mean everything beyond SD... there's ED (Extended Definition) which is (IIRC) 854x480p, which is definately not considered HD. It was a popular (may still be?) resolution for cheaper, smaller plasma screens.

I'm not sure if ED is a true standard. I think it was just coined by manufactuers in an attempt to be somewhat honest. Many sets, both Plasma and CRT (less so with LCD) are completely incapable of displaying true HD resolutions. What seperates them from an EDTV is whether or not they're capable of scaling HDTV resolutions down to EDTV. If they are, they can be sold as HDTV, if not then they are sold as EDTV, regardless of them having the same idsplay resolution.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Some people seem to be confused between HD (High Definition) and just digital signals.

VGA (15-pin d-sub) is more than capable of carrying signals at HD resolutions. The Xbox360 supports 1080i and 720p and VGA is more than happy to cary a 720p HD signal. That's 1280X720 resolution, well within the kind of signals a VGA cable can carry. Yes, VGA is an analog signal, meaning it's not exactly the optimal cable for fixed pixel displays (DLP/Plasma/LCD/etc). Nonetheless, component is also analog, and HD over VGA and component still looks great- it can still be stunning.

And to the person who was going on and on about DVI to HDMI adaptors; the point is: I don't think there is a single DVI or HDMI cable for Xbox360 yet! That's why VGA is the interface of choice if your screen doesn't have component inputs.

Regarding 1080p - Xbox360 doesn't support it, most HDTV's dont support it, and no Xbox260 games will run at that resolution (1920X1080). Supposedly, the PS3 will offer both 720p and 1080p, but last I heard not all games need to support 1080p (developer's choice). Meaning it's very likely many/most games will be 720p only (could be wrong here though).