schneiderguy
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apoppin
Lifer
i brought up Rollo's thread to PROVE to ANOTHER nvidia fanboy that VF in PF was a 'joke' and that his "link" showing the supposed differences was thoroughly debunked.
that's 'why'.
and there is another thread i started that even goes into much further depth . . . i probably should have posted it, but this one was sufficient.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: apoppin
i brought up Rollo's thread to PROVE to ANOTHER nvidia fanboy that nvidia's "superior VF" in PF was a 'joke' and that his "link" showing the supposed differences was thoroughly debunked.
that's 'why'.
and there is another thread i started that even goes into much further depth . . . i probably should have posted it instead, but this one was sufficient.
Praxis1452
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schneiderguy
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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
better than nothing
5%? HQ takes off more than that.
in most games its 5% or less.
edit: yes ive seen BFG10k's benchmarks, the 5% number if from my own testing.
BFG10K
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For my X800XL? Something from the late 5.x series I think.
Scroll down to my post - it's about half-way down.
On my X800XL AAA has never worked properly and 6.8 has decided to make my OpenGL games run under 16 bit colour.
Originally posted by: BFG10K
[post]http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33864785&page=2[/L] - it's about half-way down.
On my X800XL AAA has never worked properly and 6.8 has decided to make my OpenGL games run under 16 bit colour.
Now that is just weird, looks like some type of driver conflict to me? Have any creative sh#t in your case?
Wow, that 16 bit screenshot looks nasty. I was just about to switch to these drivers too. Is anyone getting these problems on an X1 series card?
schneiderguy
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Originally posted by: ronnn
Don't be shy lets see the results of your testing and if it meets scientific standards.
A64 3500+
7600gt
1.5 gigs of ram
HL2 LC Stress Test
1280*1024
everything on HIGH, no vsync
4x AA 8x AF
HQ mode in drivers, all optimizations OFF: 55.68 fps
Q mode in drivers, all optimizations OFF: 57.34 fps
~4% difference from going to Q to HQ
i cant remember if BFG10K had optimizations OFF or ON for his HQ vs Q tests.
In quality mode, Trilinear optimization and Anisotrpoic sample optimization are both enabled by default...run the test again with both optimizations enabled in "Q" mode...the difference will be greater.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
that's a link to BFG10K's thread on NV's HQ performance, i did some benchmarks myself between Q and HQ and here's the result's copied from that thread...
quote:
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Originally posted by: CP5670
It's probably because you have no AF on. Try it on 16x. The main difference between the quality and HQ modes is the AF.
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Okay here are the results with 16AF (in bold) applied:
all test were done at 1280x1024, except for F.E.A.R@1280x960 using FW 84.56 v2
CSS stress test (Q=182/HQ=176) (Q=172/HQ=158)
HL2 LC stress test (Q=106/HQ=104) (Q=99/HQ=89)
F.E.A.R (Q=83/HQ=81) (Q=78/HQ=72)
min. 50/46 44/40
avg. 83/81 78/72
max. 178/176 163/160
in F.E.A.R the difference is only marginal, but in CSS and HL2 Lost Coast there is more of a performance loss.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
that's a link to BFG10K's thread on NV's HQ performance, i did some benchmarks myself between Q and HQ and here's the result's copied from that thread...
quote:
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Originally posted by: CP5670
It's probably because you have no AF on. Try it on 16x. The main difference between the quality and HQ modes is the AF.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay here are the results with 16AF (in bold) applied:
all test were done at 1280x1024, except for F.E.A.R@1280x960 using FW 84.56 v2
CSS stress test (Q=182/HQ=176) (Q=172/HQ=158)
HL2 LC stress test (Q=106/HQ=104) (Q=99/HQ=89)
F.E.A.R (Q=83/HQ=81) (Q=78/HQ=72)
min. 50/46 44/40
avg. 83/81 78/72
max. 178/176 163/160
in F.E.A.R the difference is only marginal, but in CSS and HL2 Lost Coast there is more of a performance loss.
Wreckage
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It was asked why PF is a problem for ATI. I explained why. Others went into denial mode. ATI has yet to enable a workaround so that PF works in SM3.0 mode. Ironically the Xbox360 has full support for VTF, no workaround needed.
If ATI had done the right thing and fully supported VTF, more games would probably used it. Instead we miss out on that feature because they refuse to support the standard.
Maybe, but really haven't seen any reviewers saying this (except for xfire of course). I would guess your machine or the operator has issues.
Just kidding, but to say that ati drivers are on a downward trend because one individual with a well used low end card is having problems is sort of overblown. I also wonder if ati tool is not part of the problem, but only because one person (me) has had issues with it lately. First review ever I have seen that shows NV faster in Oblivion. That is enough for me to not take it seriously. That would be equal to them showing ATi faster in Quake 4. Thats just not how it is. With that, their driver settings, and no mention of IQ, bad "review".
Actually, it wouldnt matter if ATi supported VTF or not, it wouldnt work in PF anyways. That was custom for NV.
And you could turn your argument around. If NV had supported HDR+AA in games such as Farcry, more games would support it out of the box. Its pretty obvious which one is more important.
Yep. He posts lies, and misinformation. I call him on it, I know he saw it, and never responded. Not man enough to admit what he did, and just ignores it. Heh.
Actually, it wouldnt matter if ATi supported VTF or not, it wouldnt work in PF anyways. That was custom for NV.
And you could turn your argument around. If NV had supported HDR+AA in games such as Farcry, more games would support it out of the box. Its pretty obvious which one is more important.
Yep. He posts lies, and misinformation. I call him on it, I know he saw it, and never responded. Not man enough to admit what he did, and just ignores it. Heh.
apoppin
Lifer
you still don't get it . . . what's new?
:roll:
ATI DOES support VTF . . . and it is done "right" - according to M$.
Didn't you bother even looking at Rollo's thread?
:thumbsdown:
of course we could believe your baseless FUD . . . i'd rather believe Microsoft in this case.
Here we go.. more thread hijacking with Wreckage vs Ackmed... STFU already
I wont say the review isnt credible just because Ati isnt winning in oblivion, but would you trust a review in which nvidia lost in doom3? dont think so..
apoppin
Lifer
'cause there are no games that support VTF.
-except the very broken PF.
and NOTHING can be proved - to you . . . you post and then shut your eyes and mind to all reasonable replies and *proof*
if you won't read Rollo's thread, why should i bother . . . any further?
i won't . . . i'll let some with more patience [or something to prove] TRY and explain it to you.
peace and aloha
-except the very broken PF.
and NOTHING can be proved - to you . . . you post and then shut your eyes and mind to all reasonable replies and *proof*
if you won't read Rollo's thread, why should i bother . . . any further?
i won't . . . i'll let some with more patience [or something to prove] TRY and explain it to you.
peace and aloha
apoppin
Lifer
yes, that's what i already said about you . . . you complain and deny but present no proof of any kind . . .
and aloha for the 2nd time
. . . since you will even ignore Rollo's thread. :Q
. . . and there is also a follow-up thread if you are still not interested . . . and won't read anyway.
Well it has been sometime since the release of Oblivion so Nvidia could have increased performance with drivers, as well for Oblivion, it highly varies Nvidia wins the Dungeon areas, while ATI typically does better in foliage, since Xbitlabs only labeled their outdoor areas as that we don't know exactly where they tested or do we?
The difference is most favourable to ATI I believe when you test in a forest with foliage.
QFT.
Remember the benchmark that munky made? Software can be designed to run on specific kinds of hardware, hence why most Nvidia users were getting 3fps while other X1900 users were getting 30fps. This is a similar example. PF's VTF was made to specifically use Nvidia technology. Ironically, ATI's VTF would actually be more preferable since you can ansiotropic filter the VTF (Nvidia is not able to do so).
Who went into denial mode again? If you would look at the links that have been provided thus far you would have seen that ATI does indeed have a "work-around"
Quit clutching at straws. Nvidia's lack of angle independent AF and HDR+AA are far more widespread and important than VTF. I'm not going to discredit the feature of VTF completely since it might become very common in games and is an advancement just like any other feature, it's just that if you are going to comment on a video card's lack of image-enhancing features why not comment on both sides of the fence?
You're his equal in that slant of light. Do you hear the words you speak? Or are you spouting at the mouth and remaining oblivious to what your lips leak out?
PF's VTF has nothing to do with X-bit's benchmarks. They give a wider range of games than some other benches, but overlooked (or left out) key driver settings that level the comparisons. I'm not wanting to see ATI win in all benchmarks. I'm wanting to see both sides compared equally using the same settings. Otherwise, why stop there? Why not bench the ATI card at 6xAA and the Nvidia one at 4x? Benchmark sites that continue to display these misrepresented numbers are a joke, but they're hardly to blame when the manufacturers themselves (Nvidia) are blind and suggest not even using the "High Quality" settings that make games look worth anything.
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