Xbitlabs DX10 article

tuteja1986

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...y/directx10-games.html

ATI 2900xt performance is still has performance issue in Lost planet but in Company of heroes which they were getting beaten up by a 8800GTS 320mb now is beating up 8800GTX by even 30%+.


In mid range ;! 2600XT woops 8600gts card by 50% in all most every benchmark but the game is pretty much unplayable unless you like to play at 20FPS :(

In the lowest range 8500gts woops 2400xt by 30%+ but again the game are unplayable unless you like playing at 10FPS.


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* Despite its unassuming performance in DirectX 9 benchmarks, the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is capable of beating the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX, which is much more expensive, in DirectX 10 applications provided that the Catalyst driver has game-specific optimizations. Of course, Nvidia?s ForceWare driver has to ?know? the particular game to run it at a high speed, too.
* The ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT and HD 2400 XT are kind of DirectX 10 kings in their respective price categories. However, these cards often prove to be slower than Nvidia?s GeForce 8 in the more important DirectX 9 applications.
* The ATI Radeon HD 2000 architecture features the most advanced implementation of DirectX 10 today.
* Performance of both ATI Radeon HD 2000 and Nvidia GeForce 8 is fully dependent on drivers, therefore, it is nearly unpredictable which graphics card will eventually become better DirectX 10 performer.


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postmortemIA

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Seems like to me that ATi drivers are most advanced garbage today.

Looks like performance is function of rand().
 

undeclared

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DX10 is bust IMO

30 fps on a $500 video card is crap, let alone paying more!

I don't think I'm buying a dx10 card until they see AT LEAST 50 fps in 1920 on the flagship.

It's not like the DX9 cards have terrible performance for the price, although might get a gts 640 or something for the dx9 performance
 

thilanliyan

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"GPU developers have made a point of releasing two product families based on the same graphics architecture to guarantee a lifecycle of 1-2 years since the announcement. If this trend continues, we?ll see new series of DirectX 10 graphics cards from the leading developers this fall. However, these new series won?t differ much from the current ones architecturally, and so we don?t expect them to bring about any performance breakthroughs"

I seriously hope they're wrong. I was hoping to upgrade when NVidia comes out with their newer cards and also hoping they give a sizeable performance increase in actual games.
 

n7

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They should test in Bioshock, a game you can actually play quite smoothly in DX10 mode, instead of these DX9 to DX10 ports (even though, yes, i know, even Bioshock isn't really natively DX10 either likely).
 

Keysplayr

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Going to reinstall Vista and try the Bioshock demo in DX10. What drivers were reported to address issues or be optimized for Bioshock on the nvidia side again?

EDIT: N/M. Got it. 163.44's.
 

swtethan

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Going to reinstall Vista and try the Bioshock demo in DX10. What drivers were reported to address issues or be optimized for Bioshock on the nvidia side again?

EDIT: N/M. Got it. 163.44's.

I like the way Bioshock is so smooth in dx10.
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: xtwells
DX10 is bust IMO

30 fps on a $500 video card is crap, let alone paying more!

I don't think I'm buying a dx10 card until they see AT LEAST 50 fps in 1920 on the flagship.

It's not like the DX9 cards have terrible performance for the price, although might get a gts 640 or something for the dx9 performance

These games are slapped together with SOME DX10 code, not even fully worked on for DX10.

The programmers of these games are terrible that's all. Just wait until Crysis arrives and UT3 with it's full DX10 support (not Bioshock's water effects only route).
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Going to reinstall Vista and try the Bioshock demo in DX10. What drivers were reported to address issues or be optimized for Bioshock on the nvidia side again?

EDIT: N/M. Got it. 163.44's.

I like the way Bioshock is so smooth in dx10.

It's basically DX9 code ported over and running native in DX10 with a few key features of DX10 enabled to improve performance. This is what most DX10 games will be unless developed solely for DX10.
 

tuteja1986

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Originally posted by: n7
They should test in Bioshock, a game you can actually play quite smoothly in DX10 mode, instead of these DX9 to DX10 ports (even though, yes, i know, even Bioshock isn't really natively DX10 either likely).

Bioshock has DX10 version is total joke. You can't tell the difference and also the performance is about the same of DX9 and DX10. The only major thing you could see was soft edges for particles.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...ce/images/dx9couch.png

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e/images/dx10couch.png

also the edge of the fog blends smoothly with the plant, there are no hard edge.

But if you pay not attention you will see no dramatic difference.
 

Cookie Monster

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*Looks at the xbitlabs testbed.*

*Looks at the driver version being used.*

*Looks at the conclusion.*

*Thinks to himself, "did they start the benchmarking 6 months ago?"*


note - nVIDIA has much better drivers compared to 158.24 which is REALLY old. Im sure ATi too has betetr drivers since the beta 8.38.9.1-rc2_48912.

This review completely contrasts ATs article since AT used 162.18 drivers. I agree with ATs conclusion than Xbitlabs.

 
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Haha, Xbit is generally really sluggish in putting out reviews but they generally are amazing. They test probably the most games on a regular basis than any other review site I regularly read.

In this case, however, I agree that it is more time-sensitive than usual. It's not about getting out the first review of a new card, its completely dependant on drivers and current performance.