Xbit: Next Xbox Console to have ARM CPU!

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multim...ture_ARM_Processor_Windows_9_Core_Report.html

Microsoft Corp.'s next-generation Xbox known as "Loop" will feature a custom ARM architecture-based processor along with Windows 9 core, according to an unofficial report. The main intention of the software giant is to ensure that the Xbox Loop is less expensive in manufacturing than the current Xbox 360.

The Xbox Next is projected to feature an ARM-based heterogeneous system-on-chip (SoC) with multiple dedicated assistive cores for graphics, AI, physics, sound, networking, encryption and sensors, according to MS Nerd blog. The SoC will be designed by Microsoft and two yet-to-be-named partners. The new console is projected to feature operating system that will be based on Windows 9 core. The whole gaming machine is expected to be smaller and less expensive to manufacturer than its predecessor.

Such high amount of integration of the SoC will let Microsoft to greatly reduce internal design complexity of the initial console. The first and second generations of the Xbox 360 sported a number of key chips inside, which did not allow Microsoft to quickly reduce the manufacturing costs and pricing even as semiconductor manufacturing processes became thinner and allowed such a possibility in theory.

In case Microsoft decides to sustain backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 without substantial IP development licensing, then the company can hire AMD (its ATI graphics division) to create a new custom Radeon graphics core for the Xbox Next and then integrate it into the "Loop" silicon. Should Microsoft drop compatibility, it will have a chance to use ARM-, PowerVR- or Nvidia-developed cores.

Since a lot tools will be shared between Windows 9 and Windows Phone 9/Windows 9 Mobile platforms, usage of the Win9 core on the Xbox Loop is completely justified. This will not only ensure higher efficiency of the operating system compared to the X360, but will also make development easier.

Microsoft is projected to launch its Xbox Loop next-generation video game console in 2013.

Wow, I wonder what this is going to do to the PC gaming industry?
 
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AdamK47

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I don't see why you would be worried about PC gaming with this news.
 

IlllI

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if they did this, would the next xbox lose backward compatibility ?
 
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lol so licensing power pc architecture + x86 architecture + arm architecture all at once to maintain backwards compat?
 

LoneNinja

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1st thing that comes to mind. Will console ports run on ARM based windows computers? This makes me think yes.
 

Bryf50

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As long as it has a real GPU designed by Nvidia or AMD this'll be ok. I don't think ARM or PowerVR can make a GPU anywhere close in performance to a modern day PC graphics card now or in the future.
 
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I'll be incredibly surprised if this shot in the dark is close to the truth.

Well ARM is pretty cheap and I can definitely see MS wanting to lower the price of the next console hardware.

If they launch this new console in 2013, that will be 8 years since the 360.
 
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I mean, if they're already going AMD for the GPU, I'd bet AMD would *love* to push Fusion on the consoles. And I'd imagine there'd be a nice, sizable discount for buying in bulk!
 

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I mean, if they're already going AMD for the GPU, I'd bet AMD would *love* to push Fusion on the consoles. And I'd imagine there'd be a nice, sizable discount for buying in bulk!

If this article is correct, ARM rules out Fusion. I doubt AMD could get something hammer out quick enough for the next Xbox using ARM, unless they already have some behind doors ARM work going on. Also they don't even have an ARM license right now do they?

There have been rumors in the past about AMD GPUs being used in future gen consoles. So if ARM is going in the "loop", that means no Fusion, but MS is talking heavy integration of everything on one chip... we have a conflict here.
 
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Who said ARM would be part of this Fusion? I'm really incredibly sick of this ARM hype. I'll bet anyone $50 that the next XBOX will not be using ARM. It makes ZERO sense with the Power, Cell, and Fusion chips around to use ARM for a *gaming* console.

Any takers? PM me.
 

TakeNoPrisoners

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I don't believe they can make an ARM CPU fast enough to be relevant. All I see from ARM is slow cell phone and tablet stuff.

They would be much better off just building a custom PC and calling it done.
 
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Yeah, my point! The development costs of a custom ARM SoC would probably outweigh just licensing Trinity, modifying it accordingly, and calling it a day.
 

smartpatrol

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I call BS.

Why would they go with a dedicated, specialized core for AI? What would such a core even look like? And I can't imagine a dedicated CPU for encryption would be incredibly useful for a game console either.
 
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Win 8 isnt even out yet, does this mean win 9 will be out in 2 years?? I guess I dont understand how the new architecture would work, and how they would work with backwards compatability.

I cant believe that they would not have at least one generation of backwards compatability. And also, how would this work with porting to the PC if they go to this new architecture.

I have this terrible fear that in order to save a few bucks, microsoft would put the final nail in the coffin of PC gaming by making it almost impossible to make PC compatable games. Maybe though this could be a good opportunity for AMD to make some sort of SoC or graphics integration module.
 

jhu

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I don't believe they can make an ARM CPU fast enough to be relevant. All I see from ARM is slow cell phone and tablet stuff.

They would be much better off just building a custom PC and calling it done.

It's supposedly a custom chip. If that's the case, then it's possible to have a high performance ARM chip. There's nothing about the ARM ISA that relegates it to low power and low performance. Consider a Sandy Bridge CPU with an ARM decoder instead of x86 = instant high performance ARM processor.