X800XL SLI vs One vs 6600GT SLI vs One Any bench tests?

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: billwinkle

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: billwinkle
Only people I know who giggle are girls.

btw did you get the nickname in prison?


I dont give a crap what you think, I have the money to spend on my box. I like to try new things.

lets see benchmarks on your computer. I guarantee you that mine will smoke yours.

11750 3DMark03... Yours?

3Dmark03 14405
3Dmark05 6711
aquamark 83031

Without links, both of you are pissing in the wind anyway. And, even with links, who cares?

I do believe this entire board, unanimously mind you, would agree that Chosonman's an idiot and either refuses to or just plain cannot provide any useful information to any thread he joins. Feel free to make up whatever "quotes" for your sig you want to, Chosonman, but the fact remains that every time you post, you provide another hilarious line I could use for my sig.

 

[newmenu]

i think the evga 6800gt is the best buy now, around 360. i love the idea of a lifetime warranty on the bfg but seriously, if you're looking at sli then you're probably not one to hold onto vga's for more than a year or two.

as far as the "oc", almost any gt will clock to to the same speed as bfg ocs.



how easy/hard would it be to just oc the evga cards to what bfg has them to. ati tool was very nice for oc'ing an ati card. What tool is there for nvidia cards; and, is oc'ing sli'd cards any more complicated?

 

[billwinkle]

your completly right deadseasquirrel. I have to go to work, no time for downloading proof. I have many posts elsewhere in this forum already with proof. You are dead on right about chosonman.

btw I like your nickname, how did you come up with it? My friends and I have a joke about that. I tell you later. CYA

 

[newmenu]

I hope the point is not missed here. I could just as easily take this stuff right back and get an asus a8n deluxe mobo and grab a 6800ultraoc for about 600 or less dollars. But I budget and save money carefully. I set a small percent of every paycheck aside in a separate account that is for games, consoles, and computer stuff only. A large part of tax returns goes in it as well. Im looking for the absolute second best right now. I wont pay #1 latest and greatest prices but I will pay 2nd latest and greatest prices. the dicussion is what would be ideal for 500 or less right now and prove to stand the test of time for longer. Right now its looking like one 6800gt pci-e for now and another one on the next big price drop is the way to go. I appreciate the link for the fps's concerning the rez of my sony flat panel, but im reading a couple small to many dramatically nice improvements with SLI over single setups.

 

[rise]

the bfg gtoc is , i think, 374/1050, which is nothing, most gt's will easily do 380/1080. i'm using that # because my agp version was not a good clocker and it did that with no artifacts. my pci-e does ultra no problem, 400/1100. it's just a registry dword value that will allow you to clock it or you can use rivatuner, coolbits download or nv tweak i guess.

i think your best bet right now is as you said, the sli board (i like my dfi) with one 6800gt and see what happens in the next few months. who knows, as more definitive nextgen info comes out, you might wait on a new card or you can just add another gt.

myself, having endured a 5900xt, which is/was a good card but took a big hit on dx9, i'm not entirely comfortable thinking i'll get 3 years out of sli'd 6800gts. but i have the option. and nvidia isn't going away from sli, so i either add another 6800gt or get one of the next gen when the prices are rational.

 

[Keysplayr]

Overclock 20MHz if you must, but trust me when I say, you will not need to overclock for a Looong time.

 

[rise]

agreed, i run stock anyway. i was just pointing out imo there is no need to spend more for an "oc"-

 

[newmenu]

so is the BFG 6800GT OC for 400 not worth the extra money over the eVga 6800GT for 360?

 

[dheffer]

your call man... sounds to me like you should go with the bfg considering how you feel

 

[newmenu]

guess the bfg 6800gtoc with another one later on will do me straight

 

[BenSkywalker]

this is my monitor http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSH...&ProductSKU=SDMHS75P%2fB&TabName=specs

Since you are such a huge gamer the proper board to pair with that monitor would be a 64bit FX5200 or something comparable

Why are you even considering anything approaching high end with that display? Seriously, with that POS for a display you shouldn't be thinking about anything high end. Take the money you would have spent on vid cards and buy yourself a real monitor first, then worry about driving it.

 

[newmenu]

you cant be serious.... this monitor is a pos? ummmm ok. And how is this monitor a pos. It has the most incredible display ive ever seen and an 8ns response with both a vga and dvi connect,not to mention its a HD monitor.

 

[BenSkywalker]

you cant be serious.... this monitor is a pos? ummmm ok. And how is this monitor a pos.

It is VERY small, has lousy resolution, an extremely poor refresh rate and a slow response time(8ms is still very poor for gaming). If you are serious about gaming, then pick up a real gaming display(Diamondtron or Trinitron).

Edit-

To clarify on the refresh rate- the monitor is incapable of displaying anything over 75FPS no matter what. Obviously you don't have the flicker issue of CRTs, just everything over 75FPS is no good and at such extremely low resolutions.... I don't know how you could consider that display anything but a POS for gaming. It is certainly way beneath any of the GPU parts you have been considering.

 

[newmenu]

so what would be a good lcd under 500???

 

[newmenu]

nvm, your obvoiusly either playing with me or just out of your mind. Show me a better monitor for 400 bucks and ill play with your johnson in a back alley on a rainey night. With a high contrast, 12x10 rez, HD, 8ns response, and sony quality(as for monitors and tv's) this thing for 400 is the best you can get. As long as every game i play is set to 12x10 rez and holds 75fps or better rate 100% of the time, everything is beautiful in the universe

 

[sodcha0s]

Your monitor is fine. If you prefer LCD's, then you have a very nice one. A 17" LCD has about the same viewable area as a 19" CRT. However he does have a point, your monitor can only display up to a certain FPS (whether or not it's 75 I don't know, but it's in that area) so you won't be able to tell the difference past that point. Having said that, you're still going to want to get a card that will maintain FPS above that point. I think your plan of getting a 6800GT now, and adding one later is solid. Test it out, play some games and see where you stand with it. If you think you need the extra horsepower, get another one. If you get it and realize thsat it's not making enough of a difference, return it. If you buy it at Best Buy, you can return it without hassle.

 

[sodcha0s]

Also, 12x10 res is plenty high enough, especially if you have the power to turn up the AF and AA...

Almost forgot, refresh rate means nothing on an LCD so that argument is null and void.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dheffer
Oh, and 3dmark? Who the hell cares? The 6600gt SLI is faster than a single 6800 ultra, and that is simply not true for any other real world benchmark that matters.

Not true.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_nx6800/page7.asp
A 6600GT SLI is faster than a 6800GT at Ultra speed (400/550) at Halo 16X12 4X8X. Halo matters.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf6800u-sli_19.html
6600GT SLI is pretty much tied with the 6800Ultra at all the canals benches, including 4X16X. HL2 matters.

Which is not to say a single Ultra isn't a better choice, of course.

 

[BenSkywalker]

so what would be a good lcd under 500???

Nothing remotely close to good, extremely poor to absolute junk is what you are talking about in that range.

nvm, your obvoiusly either playing with me or just out of your mind. Show me a better monitor for 400 bucks

Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art... to quote myself-

Take the money you would have spent on vid cards and buy yourself a real monitor first

When you are budget shopping for displays you shouldn't be thinking about anything remotely close to the vid cards you are talking about. When looking at X850XTs and SLId 6800 series parts for the lowest possible tollerable display you should be looking at a Dell 2001FP(and even that isn't up to the boards you are looking at).

With a high contrast

The contrast for that display is extremely poor as are all LCDs. In order to come remotely close to the 600:1 ratio they claim you are going to need to make your display unuseable in terms of color settings. In reality you would be very lucky to get one third of that, and it is an order of magnitude short of a real quality gaming display.

With a high contrast, 12x10 rez, HD, 8ns response, and sony quality(as for monitors and tv's) this thing for 400 is the best you can get.

Sony quality LCDs, I didn't want to really get in to that but let's say Sony has by far the poorest reputation for their LCDs out of any recognizable manufacturer and rightly so. They tell you that dead pixels are normal and not to be concerned about it(and refuse to do anything about it unless you start threatening legal action). I own a Sony branded LCD and honestly most displays that you find at Wal-Mart are of higher quality.

As long as every game i play is set to 12x10 rez and holds 75fps or better rate 100% of the time, everything is beautiful in the universe

So you are looking for low end gaming, you should have mentioned that in the first place it would have saved a lot of time. When you start talking about wanting an ultimate gaming solution then people who are serious are thinking 2048x1536 w/AA+AF plus high framerates or at the very least 1600x1200 w/AA+AF and screaming framerates. What you are looking for is a low end gaming setup- if you would have stated that in the beginning I think most people would have told you to pick up an x800XL or 6800GT and be done with it- the SLI mobo was a waste of money for you, you could have saved a bit there and bought yourself a better display too.

 

[ohnnyj]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

so what would be a good lcd under 500???

Nothing remotely close to good, extremely poor to absolute junk is what you are talking about in that range.

nvm, your obvoiusly either playing with me or just out of your mind. Show me a better monitor for 400 bucks

Reading comprehension seems to be a lost art... to quote myself-

Take the money you would have spent on vid cards and buy yourself a real monitor first

When you are budget shopping for displays you shouldn't be thinking about anything remotely close to the vid cards you are talking about. When looking at X850XTs and SLId 6800 series parts for the lowest possible tollerable display you should be looking at a Dell 2001FP(and even that isn't up to the boards you are looking at).

Just an FYI: At times you can pick up the 2001FP or even the 2005FPW from Dell for under $500.

 

[hippotautamus]

Just ignore that twit. That monitor will be fine for gaming. Your eyes simply can't tell the difference with any framerate above 60 fps anyway. A monitor (or video card) that can display those resolutions with a modern game simply doesn't exist. Professional monitors can display those resolutions - but they're CRT, NOT LCD, and the only cards capable of rendering those kinds of resolutions with AA and AF are once again professional cards (you don't want to know how expensive, and not actually good for gaming).

You won't need anything more than a 6800GT or X800XL for running modern games with decent eye candy and more than playable framerates.

 

[ohnnyj]

Originally posted by: hippotautamus
Just ignore that twit. That monitor will be fine for gaming. Your eyes simply can't tell the difference with any framerate above 60 fps anyway. A monitor (or video card) that can display those resolutions with a modern game simply doesn't exist. Professional monitors can display those resolutions - but they're CRT, NOT LCD, and the only cards capable of rendering those kinds of resolutions with AA and AF are once again professional cards (you don't want to know how expensive, and not actually good for gaming).

You won't need anything more than a 6800GT or X800XL for running modern games with decent eye candy and more than playable framerates.

I can play at 1920x1200 2xAA 16xAF in HL2 at anywhere from 70-120+ fps most of the time. I can even do 2056x1548 if I wanted but then I can only do 60Hz, at my current res I can do 85 and it runs and looks great.

 

[BenSkywalker]

You won't need anything more than a 6800GT or X800XL for running modern games with decent eye candy and more than playable framerates.

With a low caliber display you are absolutely correct- to quote myself-

What you are looking for is a low end gaming setup- if you would have stated that in the beginning I think most people would have told you to pick up an x800XL or 6800GT and be done with it

A monitor (or video card) that can display those resolutions with a modern game simply doesn't exist.

Really? Single consumer boards running 2048x1536. The OP was talking about SLI 6800s, something like this.

Just ignore that twit.

I have backed my statements up. I would tell you to do the same, but I know that you can't.

Just an FYI: At times you can pick up the 2001FP or even the 2005FPW from Dell for under $500.

Where did I ever say that the 2001FP was remotely close to good....?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: billwinkle
Only people I know who giggle are girls.

btw did you get the nickname in prison?


I dont give a crap what you think, I have the money to spend on my box. I like to try new things.

lets see benchmarks on your computer. I guarantee you that mine will smoke yours.

11750 3DMark03... Yours?

Mine is 18799.

 

[dheffer]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You won't need anything more than a 6800GT or X800XL for running modern games with decent eye candy and more than playable framerates.

With a low caliber display you are absolutely correct- to quote myself-

What you are looking for is a low end gaming setup- if you would have stated that in the beginning I think most people would have told you to pick up an x800XL or 6800GT and be done with it

A monitor (or video card) that can display those resolutions with a modern game simply doesn't exist.

Really? Single consumer boards running 2048x1536. The OP was talking about SLI 6800s, something like this.

Just ignore that twit.

I have backed my statements up. I would tell you to do the same, but I know that you can't.

Just an FYI: At times you can pick up the 2001FP or even the 2005FPW from Dell for under $500.

Where did I ever say that the 2001FP was remotely close to good....?

All you have to do is search around a little bit to see that the 2001FP is a very capable monitor, for the money. 16x12 resolution is what most people strive for in an LCD. Not saying that you said it was good, just reputable sites saying it was good. Oh, and if you want proof, look at this very site. anandtech
Not to talk crap, but saying that a 16x12 20" lcd with a good response time isn't a decent gaming monitor for the money, when you can get one for ~$400 at times is just misinformation.
Just curious, whats your setup? Honestly, just wondering what you use for gaming, because I thought most higher res. monitors suffered from poor response times. Once again, just curious to see