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apoppin
Lifer
Not much. It's still considered "fast" and will be for some time, and when it's not, I'll buy what is.
After all - since the X800xt is really vapour - the 9800xt is ati's 2nd fastest card . . . kinda like your 'GT' is nVidia's 2nd fastest card . . . only difference is that i got mine at a bargain price and have been thoroughly enjoying it's performance in ALL my favourite games . . . i also didn't spend ~$700 just to play a really crappy game in all it's "splendor".
ROTFL
:roll:
Keysplayr
Elite Member
The mods should add a BAN USER FROM THIS THREAD button in all the threads. So a member can be "voted" out of a thread if he/she is causing more drama then being helpful, and not allowed to ever post in said thread. I'll run it by them. LOL. Not going to happen, I know. But I can dream.
Keysplayr
Elite Member
I won't ask you how you think I'm trolling, because I know I'm not. It's just you man. My first post in this thread was to help the OP. My second was to question "who said the 9800 was a bad card". The third was to tell you to stop trolling. I don't see myself trolling here. Now. Can you go away please. With sugar on top. We have better things to do than to hijack this guys thread with BS.
apoppin
Lifer
OK, last explanation . . . for the slower witted among us. 😛
#1 post i gave MY opinion that the 9800pro might be the best buy - depending on resolution and that the 6800 might not be (really) that more 'future-proof' (considering the r500 will be out in LESS than a year)
#2 Was my reply to rollo's sarcasm.
then some "teenager with an attitude" BUTTED his big nose into MY conversation with rollo to HYPOCRITICALLY admonish me not to do what HE was doing - TROLLING. You ARE a troll. 😛
and you are no longer worth MY time . . . why don't YOU leave?
😛
to the original poster, i stand by my first reply: depending on your monitor's resolution - the 9800p MIGHT be the BEST card to hold you over 'TILL the next generation of games AND GPUs since THIS generation runs fine on a 9800p at 10x7
and aloha to the reasonable ones among us . . . for keysplayr2003, i just have to request a Charley Rich song title specially for you:
Peace On You.
LOL- why does it not surprise me that you somehow equate your slow as frozen molasses 9800XT to somehow be on par with cards that totally own it like 6800GTs?
Earth to Apoppin:
Your card is like something a homeless guy would have compared to a 6800GT.
No 20% vs 30% to argue about here, Poppinfresh- the 6800GT is TWICE as fast as your caveman 9800.
Too bad, so sad. The only guys who consider the 9800XT "fast" these days are sleeping on heat exhaust grates and dining in soup kitchens.
apoppin
Lifer
But HALF as expensive. 😉
. . . and BOTH my 9800xt and your 6800GT (not to mention your 6800subStandard) are likely to end up in the recycle bin at the same time next year when the REAL performance cards are released.
:roll:
your exaggeration re: the 9800XT really takes away from what (few) credible things you DO post. 😛
Yes, the 6800series is far better than the 9800 series of cards. However on a tight budget the 9800pro will do. I am not claiming that it is near as good as the 6800 series. It is a decent price for a card that will hold you for a while before you saved up for or the 6800 series or x800 series cards come down in price. Or, if you don't mind playing at 1024x768 at medium or high detail without the eye candy. For the casual gamer, the 9800pro is enough.
Exaggeration?
Far Cry\
40 vs 78 fps, 20 vs 39 fps. That is as close to half as fast as it gets.
Halo
36 vs 62, 24 vs 47. Pretty close to half as fast here too?
JK AA/AF
41 vs 89,33 vs 73. That's LESS than half as fast.
Doom3
Well, in these the 6800GT gives the 9800XT a rufie and bends it over the dumpster.....
Anyway, you could say I hand picked these four benches, and I did. The point is there aren't any situations where the 9800XT is twice as fast, or even faster than a GT. When the GT isn't twice as fast, it's still a LOT faster.
apoppin
Lifer
Let's look at the FIRST post again . . . carefully:
1) IF he NEVER plays with AA and uses 10x7, the 9800p is a good card . . . still "fast" for that res
2) the 6800 - with a View to UPgrading is a "good idea" (getting the "free" upgrade as a B-day present or money is hinted at here)
3) <<"I also might get a new $200 17" or 19" monitor">>, says to ME that IF he saves enough money on the card, he might be able to afford the 9800p AND the monitor now.
so there it is in a "nutshell"
1) the 9800p for cheap at 10x7 (and maybe a new CRT monitor for ~$200)
or
2) the 6800 with a B-day UPgrade.
Since he doesn't want to wait for the x800p - forget that choice.
OK, since i 'contributed', i'm off to play a great videogame that i unfortunately set aside to finish Doom III . . . anyone want my copy of Doom III for $20 + shipping, PM me. 😉
(i'll check in tomorrow)
1) IF he NEVER plays with AA and uses 10x7, the 9800p is a good card . . . still "fast" for that res
2) the 6800 - with a View to UPgrading is a "good idea" (getting the "free" upgrade as a B-day present or money is hinted at here)
3) <<"I also might get a new $200 17" or 19" monitor">>, says to ME that IF he saves enough money on the card, he might be able to afford the 9800p AND the monitor now.
so there it is in a "nutshell"
1) the 9800p for cheap at 10x7 (and maybe a new CRT monitor for ~$200)
or
2) the 6800 with a B-day UPgrade.
Since he doesn't want to wait for the x800p - forget that choice.
OK, since i 'contributed', i'm off to play a great videogame that i unfortunately set aside to finish Doom III . . . anyone want my copy of Doom III for $20 + shipping, PM me. 😉
(i'll check in tomorrow)
BTW- I don't have anything against 9800s. They're a great value for $200, at least until 6600GTs come out next month and stomp them.
I just take exception to Apoppin's bizarre logic that "because X800XT PEs aren't available in quantity, 9800XTs are the second fastest cards for ATI, just like GTs are for nVidia!" implying they're somehow at the same level.
I just take exception to Apoppin's bizarre logic that "because X800XT PEs aren't available in quantity, 9800XTs are the second fastest cards for ATI, just like GTs are for nVidia!" implying they're somehow at the same level.
apoppin
Lifer
that wasn't my intention . . . NOwhere in ANY of my posts do i state the 9800xt and the 6800GT are on the same level . . . i have ALWAYS recommended the GT from Day 1 - even to You, when i was snickering at your at least +12% faster 6800subStandard.
the 9800xt IS ATI's 2nd fastest currently available GPU . . . that is a "sad" fact and statement of affairs re: ati (of course it'll change . . . eventually)
pretty soon even your "2nd fastest" nVidia card will lose it''s value and drop down the list to eventual oblivion . . .
. . . i was just pointing out (gleefully) that it is likely to be SOONer (mid-next year) rather than LATER
:roll:
EDIT: your "exaggeration" regarding the 9800XT is that it is "slow as molasses" . . . that makes your $400 GT TWICE as "fast as molasses" . . . obviously UNtrue and INcredible.
The 9800XT is plenty fast for MOST gamers; the 6800GT is VERY fast. 😉
2nd EIDT, Curious . . . did you finish Doom III, rollo? I did. Gameplay got worse and worse, the ending is the WORST ever!
RussianSensation
Elite Member
Apoppin you always inspire controversy and endless responses, which is a good thing I suppose considering it helps to make the forums more exciting.
But....
1) We don't have confirmation that R500 will actually come out in less than a year, or am I missing something? Yes sure ATI has to provide a card with PS3.0 support before Xbox 2 is launched, but no one knows if Xbox 2 will launch next summer; what if it too gets delayed?
2) We don't know how fast R500/NV50 will be (4x the shading power? ok these are all marketing claims we've all heard of before that often don't live up to the hype). Even if it is 2x faster than X800xt/6800Ultra, wouldnt someone with a 6800gt or x800 card have the right to say that R500 is junk and because its "only" 2x faster than X800xt, and say that they'll wait for R600/NV60? Well they'll be in the same position as you are right now -- which is getting them nowhere in their argument dissing the new high end cards.
All you are arguying right here is that it is not worth upgrading for 2x more performance and for you 4x more performance is required to take the plunge. Fair enough, but that doesnt take away the greatness of the current generation of videocards. You cant expect videocards performance to be 10x more every year; you have to be more realistic. Also the jumps from 8500 to 9700, or 5900 to 6800u can be considered equally great. Whether as the jump from 4200 to 5900 and 9700 to 9800xts werent considered to be phenomenal. So again, what makes you think NV50 and R500 will be THAT MUCH faster, and not 30-50% faster considering they are only 1 year away? I mean it doenst take much for ATI to add PS3.0 support (just 60 more million transistors).
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FFactory0x, with regard to your question, it all depends on how often you upgrade. If you don't upgrade often, then go with 6800 or x800pro because they will last you longer than the 9800pro. 6800 comes iwth far cry so if you dont have that game and you want to play it, consider its cost to be even less. Otherwise X800pro seems to offer a great bang for the buck in the performance category since price wise it is 18% more expensive than 6800 card, but is often 2x faster than it. If you care about doom 3, then 6800 is also faster than the x800pro card.
Of course this is somewhat irrelavant now that I think about it, since you dont play with AA/AF enabled...hmm...then just get a 9700 non-pro for $150.
Fastest Cards of Summer 2004
But....
1) We don't have confirmation that R500 will actually come out in less than a year, or am I missing something? Yes sure ATI has to provide a card with PS3.0 support before Xbox 2 is launched, but no one knows if Xbox 2 will launch next summer; what if it too gets delayed?
2) We don't know how fast R500/NV50 will be (4x the shading power? ok these are all marketing claims we've all heard of before that often don't live up to the hype). Even if it is 2x faster than X800xt/6800Ultra, wouldnt someone with a 6800gt or x800 card have the right to say that R500 is junk and because its "only" 2x faster than X800xt, and say that they'll wait for R600/NV60? Well they'll be in the same position as you are right now -- which is getting them nowhere in their argument dissing the new high end cards.
All you are arguying right here is that it is not worth upgrading for 2x more performance and for you 4x more performance is required to take the plunge. Fair enough, but that doesnt take away the greatness of the current generation of videocards. You cant expect videocards performance to be 10x more every year; you have to be more realistic. Also the jumps from 8500 to 9700, or 5900 to 6800u can be considered equally great. Whether as the jump from 4200 to 5900 and 9700 to 9800xts werent considered to be phenomenal. So again, what makes you think NV50 and R500 will be THAT MUCH faster, and not 30-50% faster considering they are only 1 year away? I mean it doenst take much for ATI to add PS3.0 support (just 60 more million transistors).
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FFactory0x, with regard to your question, it all depends on how often you upgrade. If you don't upgrade often, then go with 6800 or x800pro because they will last you longer than the 9800pro. 6800 comes iwth far cry so if you dont have that game and you want to play it, consider its cost to be even less. Otherwise X800pro seems to offer a great bang for the buck in the performance category since price wise it is 18% more expensive than 6800 card, but is often 2x faster than it. If you care about doom 3, then 6800 is also faster than the x800pro card.
Of course this is somewhat irrelavant now that I think about it, since you dont play with AA/AF enabled...hmm...then just get a 9700 non-pro for $150.
Fastest Cards of Summer 2004
apoppin
Lifer
First of all thanks, you 'get' that my intention is to be controversial. 🙂
Secondly
r500 IS expected next year.
This DOES seem reasonable as it is the X-Box "next" GPU due next year. 😉
. . . ati has been working on it quite awhile . . . since r400
Whatever. . . my POINT was that IF you are looking for decent performance at 10x7 for TODAY's and near-future games - over the next year - the 9800p will SUFFICE.
BY NEXT YEAR - when Doom III engine will have some really nice "tweaked" games based on it and the 9800p starts to sputter, the NEXT gen of videocards will be out. For MANY gamers - THIS is the generation of cards to skip (or else wait till r500/nv50 - next year - when the 6800Ultra will be "cheap"). ~$200)
Now you may NOT agree with MY reasoning - but then it is MY reasoning and i do feel free to post it. 😉
:roll:
James3shin
Diamond Member
if he's planning to update in 90 days, i'd have to say that the 98pro is the card of choice.
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