X800GTO^2 vs 7800GT question

[BlindBartimaeus]

I got a GTO and flashed it and it runs 575/600 which is fairly sporty (me thinks anyway) and I had a 7800GT that I wasn't real happy with that got 7100ish in 05 and this new card does 6700ish in the same 3dmark05.

My question is that in HL2 with the HDR not work with the GTO? The reason I ask is that the GT with HDR enabled...looked AWESOME. However the card would dip into the 20's at points and since my A64 is running at 2.65 I was a little pissed so I went with this to save some coin and it runs much higher minimum frame rates but I don't think HDR works with it since it looks no where near as good.

Does this card support HDR and if so why does the Nvidia look SOO much better?

Don't give me the fanboi stuff neither.

Thanks

 

[Beef Taco]

Wait, why did you downgrade? And I don't think that the X800 series have HDR. I think that's only the 1K series, but I might be wrong.

 

[Matt2]

If your GTO2 is faster than your 7800GT there was something wrong with your card or your setup.

 

[Matt2]

There is no support for HDR in the X800 series through hardware.

Also, did you try and overclock your 7800GT? Not really fair to compare an unlocked and insanely overclocked card vs. a stock one.

my first 7800GT at stock (445/1070) scored 7443 and at 505/1200 scored 8357.

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

Yeah...I had to return my 7800GT since the memory would only do 1010 and it was supposed to be 1050 stock. The core was about 478ish.

Wasn't trying to make the X800 faster but since it scored pretty close I was just wondering. I would much rather have the higher minimum framerates and give up the HDR than the other way around. Yes I tried turning HDR off with the GT.

I have read all the articles but I know that the X800 will give a higher minimum frame rate and therefore a more enjoyable gaming experience. I know people will say I am full of it, but I seen the same thing when I had a 6800GT at Ultra speeds and my X800AIW at 530/570...no contest at all, but they bench real close and the Ultra should have higher minimum fps...but not in real life.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Matt2
There is no support for HDR in the X800 series through hardware.

Well, except he's talking about HL2, which does its HDR through shaders. Of course, it's only in DOD:Source and the Lost Coast tech demo right now.

At the same settings, both cards will *look* the same in HL2 (barring any very minor IQ differences in AA or texture filtering/AF). But the 7800GT should be faster than even an unlocked X800GTO2. That's a pretty good OC on the GTO2, though.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Matt2
There is no support for HDR in the X800 series through hardware.

Well, except he's talking about HL2, which does its HDR through shaders. Of course, it's only in DOD:Source and the Lost Coast tech demo right now.

At the same settings, both cards will *look* the same in HL2 (barring any very minor IQ differences in AA or texture filtering/AF). But the 7800GT should be faster than even an unlocked X800GTO2. That's a pretty good OC on the GTO2, though.

Yeah, I couldnt remember if Valve did there's through software, hence the "hardware" disclaimer

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

I can tell you first hand though the Nvidia looks a million times better though.

What I can also tell you is that I believe setting for setting (except for the HDR eye candy) my new card runs source faster.

I am running at 1280X720 with 2X AA and 16AF simple reflections and low shader detail and no HDR right now since I don't see ANY difference with it on or off.

If others are like me out there and just run primarily Valve stuffs. You can't do any better than one of these for the money.

 

[Sonikku]

Unlocked overclocked X800GTO2 = X850XT PE

X850XT PE< 7800GT

You're comparing last generation to current generation. What did you expect?

 

[Unkno]

Originally posted by: BlindBartimaeus
I can tell you first hand though the Nvidia looks a million times better though.

What I can also tell you is that I believe setting for setting (except for the HDR eye candy) my new card runs source faster.

I am running at 1280X720 with 2X AA and 16AF simple reflections and low shader detail and no HDR right now since I don't see ANY difference with it on or off.

If others are like me out there and just run primarily Valve stuffs. You can't do any better than one of these for the money.

please provide screenshots since this is the FIRST time i heard the image looks better. Also take a screenshot of your setting. I'm pretty sure you put it on the wrong settings, since the source engine (supported by ati) is made to use SM2.0 and not require SM3.0. There are no quality differences and ATI performs better than nvidia in ALL source games (since it's optimized more for ati). Your X800GTO2 should perform equally as well as the 7800GT in source games and the HDR should look the same.

 

[Unkno]

Originally posted by: Sonikku
Unlocked overclocked X800GTO2 = X850XT PE

X850XT PE< 7800GT

You're comparing last generation to current generation. What did you expect?

True in most games....but in source games, it's nearly the same performance.

 

[videoclone]

I have an X800GTO and its clocked at 600Mhz Core and 1200Mhz Memory

I can tell you my 6800GT at Ultra speeds ran DOD-Source and CS-Source %50 better then this card does now ? The OP must be a complete Noob when it comes to setting up a PC.

I can point him to a dozen professional benchmarks from sites WHO KNOW WHAT THERE DOING and know how to set-up a gaming system that show 7800GT cards scoring around %50 more FPS in half-life2 and DOD source then a X850XTPE?s

Here?s 1 benchmark showing a Nvidia 7800GT cards outperforming an X1800XL in DOD-Source and even outdoing a X1800XT sometimes ?.. http://www.thetechlounge.com/articles.php?id=232&page=8

Like get a clue. Your saying your X800GTO^2 overclocked is faster then a X1800XT / XL

Your personal bad experience with a product doesn?t mean that product is crap. I?m rather surprised anyone here went along and agreed with you.

Nuf said.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: videoclone
I have an X800GTO and its clocked at 600Mhz Core and 1200Mhz Memory

I can tell you my 6800GT at Ultra speeds ran DOD-Source and CS-Source %50 better then this card does now ? The OP must be a complete Noob when it comes to setting up a PC.

I can point him to a dozen professional benchmarks from sites WHO KNOW WHAT THERE DOING and know how to set-up a gaming system that show 7800GT cards scoring around %50 more FPS in half-life2 and DOD source then a X850XTPE?s

Here?s 1 benchmark showing a Nvidia 7800GT cards outperforming an X1800XL in DOD-Source and even outdoing a X1800XT sometimes ?.. http://www.thetechlounge.com/articles.php?id=232&page=8

Like get a clue. Your saying your X800GTO^2 overclocked is faster then a X1800XT / XL

Your personal bad experience with a product doesn?t mean that product is crap. I?m rather surprised anyone here went along and agreed with you.

Nuf said.

I'd have to disagree with that and I'm not a noob when it comes to setting up computers. My X850XT PE kept up very well with my BFG 7800GTX in FarCry and Source games. I benchmarked both fairly extensively and the results were always pretty close. I generally benched at either 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 with 4AA/8AF and all settings maxed. Results would be different of course in other games but with FarCry and Source games the X800 series performed very well for being last gen.

I also benched a 6800GT@Ultra speeds against an X800XT PE@stock and the X800 was always faster in the games I mentioned above.

 

[Munky]

The x800's will do HDR in Source-based games (Lost coast, DOD:S), and it should look the same as the 7800's if you apply the same in game settings. But the 7800's will take a smaller performance hit from HDR. Both the 6800's and the x800's take a signifcantly bigger hit from HDR, but in general a modded gto will keep up closely in games with a 7800gt.

 

[Matt2]

are we still comparing the modded and OCd GTO to his 7800GT with the mem clock at 1010mhz?

I'm pretty sure the 7800GT OCd will dominate.

 

[beggerking]

what resolution did you use to run the game?

try running it at a higher resolution and you should see difference in speed..

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

First let me say that Unkno is a complete MORON and I have built more computers based around gaming than your IQ to be sure.

I stated that I was using 1280X720 because that is native to my 27" LCD. I am running 2X AA 16AF with Highest on all the other settings except Shadow detail is at low and Water detail is at the lowest. I find that those give the least bang for the buck. I was using full HDR for both and I know the GT looks better. The wood on the guns look real textures look better so I tend to believe the X800's will perform some sort of HDR but it is nothing in comparison to the GT's etc. I have not gotten at X1800XL yet but prolly will since I like messing around with a lot of stuff.

I would give screen shots but I already sent the GT back. The only problem is that in big gun fights in DoD:S it would literally get down in the 20-30fps range which blows. Same setup on this card I get in the 40's but that is it. However the HDR doesn't look as nice. Additionally when I turned the HDR off the GT looked better as far as the textures go so it could be a function of the G70 hardware but I would have thought I would have seen that in the reviews since it is VERY obvious.

Don't get me wrong. For a 100 bucks this card is a much better deal since SLI or Crossfire is highly overrated or you have way too much money that you don't know what to do with. I think I will put the VF700Cu on and really see what I can do but I just found the differnces in THAT game kinda odd.

 

[Matthias99]

Unless you have Transparency AA enabled, a 7800 will not look any better than a GF6 or R400-based card in HL2. The game doesn't use SM3.0, and it doesn't do anything different on a 7800. The only thing that could change is some minor differences in AA/AF quality between them (and any optimizations you have enabled).

Digit-life screenshots:

7800 7800

6800 6800

X1800 X1800

X800X800

(Note that these are without HDR, as it is straight-up HL2, but I have not seen anything showing differences in how they render HDR)

Other than some minor gamma differences between ATI and NVIDIA cards, they're friggin' identical. Any differences you're seeing are either in your head or the result of a setting you changed (or didn't change) somewhere.

Also, the 7800GT is noticeably faster than the X850XT, even in HL2. However, both are likely to be CPU-limited unless you have heavy AA/AF enabled and are running at a fairly high resolution. Digit-life AA/AF results from a couple months back At 1280x720 with 2xAA, no, you would likely not see much performance improvement (especially with a slower CPU; they used a 4000+ in that article).

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

I am using an Athlon64 at 2.66 as stated earlier and did have all that turned on. I KNOW what the benchmarks say but I run the old cl_showfps 1 or the ever faithful netgraph_3 and both show the minimum fps are better on the GTO2. That is why I started this thead as well since I found that to be contrary to what ALL the reviews said. I primarily play 1.6, CS:S, and DoD:S so this is important to me and have done nothing other than remove one card and put another in.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: BlindBartimaeus
I am using an Athlon64 at 2.66 as stated earlier and did have all that turned on. I KNOW what the benchmarks say but I run the old cl_showfps 1 or the ever faithful netgraph_3 and both show the minimum fps are better on the GTO2. That is why I started this thead as well since I found that to be contrary to what ALL the reviews said. I primarily play 1.6, CS:S, and DoD:S so this is important to me and have done nothing other than remove one card and put another in.

I didn't say anything about minimum framerates. This is something that is NOT covered well in a lot of benchmarks, and it CAN make a big difference. It's entirely possible that ATI does better in terms of minimum framerates in HL2, even against a faster NVIDIA card.

I was just commenting on this:

I was using full HDR for both and I know the GT looks better. The wood on the guns look real textures look better so I tend to believe the X800's will perform some sort of HDR but it is nothing in comparison to the GT's etc. ...

However the HDR doesn't look as nice. Additionally when I turned the HDR off the GT looked better as far as the textures go so it could be a function of the G70 hardware but I would have thought I would have seen that in the reviews since it is VERY obvious.

You must have had something set differently. All the major sites have found that they look indistinguishable with everything set the same.

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

Minimum frame rates is what makes something enjoyable or annoying. A higher average with higher highs and lower lows is much more annoying. That is how I would describe the GT experience. I think you are right about a different setting but I have no idea what it could be unless the difference of hardware HDR versus software. The world or at least I will never know...:frown:

 

[videoclone]

BlindBartimaeus ^_^ Its a fluke issue that not many people have!

a 7800GT ( SET UP CORRECTLY ) in a system as shown by EVERY single review and benchmark available online is around 40% faster in CS-Source and DOD-Source then an overclocked X800GTO^2

You had a problem with your PC or Videocard when you had the 7800GT in there .. looks like your issue?s gone now and you got back some money good job :thumbsup:

 

[Unkno]

Originally posted by: videoclone
BlindBartimaeus ^_^ Its a fluke issue that not many people have!

a 7800GT ( SET UP CORRECTLY ) in a system as shown by EVERY single review and benchmark available online is around 40% faster in CS-Source and DOD-Source then an overclocked X800GTO^2

You had a problem with your PC or Videocard when you had the 7800GT in there .. looks like your issue?s gone now and you got back some money good job :thumbsup:

You've SERIOUSLY got to be kidding right? I'll make ANOTHER post since all of you Nvidia fanboys who've bought 7800GT just cannot handle a X800GTO2 being much cheaper and offering nearly the same performance.

Let this be the last post and stop bumping this stupid thread. First, look at this review. The X800GTO2 unlocked and overclocked to 575/600 is better than the X850XT PE. Now complare the X850XT PE to the 7800GT. And if anybody has been reading up on ati drivers, they will know that with the newer 5.12-6.1 drivers, they offer around 10-30% boost for the R480 Core (X800GTO2). This review is based on an older driver.

Now stop trying to say a 7800GT is SO MUCH better than the GTO2 since you paid a lot more for it.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Unkno

Originally posted by: videoclone
BlindBartimaeus ^_^ Its a fluke issue that not many people have!

a 7800GT ( SET UP CORRECTLY ) in a system as shown by EVERY single review and benchmark available online is around 40% faster in CS-Source and DOD-Source then an overclocked X800GTO^2

You had a problem with your PC or Videocard when you had the 7800GT in there .. looks like your issue?s gone now and you got back some money good job :thumbsup:

You've SERIOUSLY got to be kidding right? I'll make ANOTHER post since all of you Nvidia fanboys who've bought 7800GT just cannot handle a X800GTO2 being much cheaper and offering nearly the same performance.

Let this be the last post and stop bumping this stupid thread. First, look at this review. The X800GTO2 unlocked and overclocked to 575/600 is better than the X850XT PE. Now complare the X850XT PE to the 7800GT. And if anybody has been reading up on ati drivers, they will know that with the newer 5.12-6.1 drivers, they offer around 10-30% boost for the R480 Core (X800GTO2). This review is based on an older driver.

Now stop trying to say a 7800GT is SO MUCH better than the GTO2 since you paid a lot more for it.

Well, an overclocked 7800 is SO MUCH BETTER than an overclocked GTO2.
apple != orange.

if you are going to overclock, overclock both and then compare.

7800GT also supports SM3.0. It is faster as it should be, its a newer generation and cost more.

Edit: GT runs much cooler as well.
Edit: uses less energy.