x800 xl versus x800 pro

[Preti9cboi]

What's the difference between these two? I was thinking about getting one of these cards in for my AGP slot.

 

[JBT]

x800XL has 16 pipres vs the pro's 12. The XL should whip the pants off the pro.

 

[OnEMoReTrY]

Originally posted by: JBT
x800XL has 16 pipres vs the pro's 12. The XL should whip the pants off the pro.

I'm so tired of this philosophy, just because a card has more pipelines, does not mean its faster. Look at my 1mhz/1mhz 100 pipeline card smoke your 475/450 12 pipe card!!!

 

[Melchior]

Yep. Pipelines does not = performance.

If its clocked sufficiently high enough, it will more or less equal out. Basically you can think of the X800 pro as an INtel P4 and the X800XL as a Athlon 64. For the most part, the Athlon WILL be faster, but if you can overclock the P4 to like 4.5 ghz, you got yourself a winner. Basically, the x800 pro is great @ overclocking, and if you get the VIVO, you got yourself a XT. BUt X800XL won't overclock nearly as well, but its stock performance is great.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY

Originally posted by: JBT
x800XL has 16 pipres vs the pro's 12. The XL should whip the pants off the pro.

I'm so tired of this philosophy, just because a card has more pipelines, does not mean its faster. Look at my 1mhz/1mhz 100 pipeline card smoke your 475/450 12 pipe card!!!

You okay there buddy? :laugh:

 

[JBT]

well uhh they have the same stock clocks don't they... and the XL is faster in every benchmark I have seen.... Which leads me to belive the XL is faster because it has 4 more pipes... This is of course at stock speeds...

 

[n7]

Your rig is still kicking ass i see JBT 🙂

You got in in that A64 + Asus K8V SE Deluxe bundle didn't you? You made the smart decision to get rid of that crappy mobo though, hence your nice OC.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: n7
Your rig is still kicking ass i see JBT 🙂

You got in in that A64 + Asus K8V SE Deluxe bundle didn't you? You made the smart decision to get rid of that crappy mobo though, hence your nice OC.

thanks 🙂 and hehe yes I did get in on that deal. it was WAY to sweet to pass up.

 

[Sc4freak]

X800XL = 400mhz
X800pro = 475mhz

 

[JBT]

thanks for clearning that up sc4 I havn't been looking at video card specs for a bit. Either way I belive at stock speeds the XL is faster than the pro.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Yeah the quick and easy is that the X800XL is 400MHz @ 16 pipes (= 6400 bungholios; multiply clockspeed by # of pipelines), while the X800 Pro is 475MHz @ 12 pipes (=5700 bungholios) so the X800XL is theoretically a bit faster due to the higher performance of clockspeed times number of pipelines (in this case, I've chosen the industry standard unit of bungholios, but you can give them another name if you wish 😉 ).

The X800XL is a bit faster than the X800 Pro, but it's not a mind boggling difference.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
(in this case, I've chosen the industry standard unit of bungholios, but you can give them another name if you wish 😉 ).

lol works for me.

 

[Megatomic]

LoL @ bungholios. 😀 I need to find/buy the Beavis and Butthead DVD set now.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

can u get the X800XL in AGP?

 

[Megatomic]

yes, they are selling them at NewEgg right now.

 

[MedicalEntropy]

X800XL is better in benchmarks.

X800pro can OC way way more than X800XL.

Some X800XLs do NOT have a molex connector.

I think all X800pros have a molex connector.
It's probably that extra voltage on why X800pro OCs more, and some kind of memory thing (forgot what it was called).

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
X800XL is better in benchmarks.

X800pro can OC way way more than X800XL.

Some X800XLs do NOT have a molex connector.

I think all X800pros have a molex connector.
It's probably that extra voltage on why X800pro OCs more, and some kind of memory thing (forgot what it was called).

No I'm pretty sure the superior overclocking of X800 Pro's is because of the fact that the X800XL's are built on the .11um process, while the X800 Pro's were on the mature .13um process using the low-k dielectric. The addition of a low-k dielectric also helped ATI take their 9600 Pros from 400 MHz stock (no low-k) to 500 MHz stock (new cores using low-k).

The X800XL's are a bit faster than the X800 Pro's (it's not just the bungholios, it's as you claim in the benchmarks as well). But like I said, it's not an earth shattering difference, and it's not as big as the misleading "16 vs 12 pipes" argument would indicate.

 

[Justin343563611]

The clock speeds don't mean jack when the cards are using different cores.

 

[R3MF]

i would get the X800XL if only because i hate the idea of purchasing expensive video-cards where sections are non-funtional, or worse still, purposefully disabled.

 

[MegaWorks]

XL

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: OnEMoReTrY

Originally posted by: JBT
x800XL has 16 pipres vs the pro's 12. The XL should whip the pants off the pro.

I'm so tired of this philosophy, just because a card has more pipelines, does not mean its faster. Look at my 1mhz/1mhz 100 pipeline card smoke your 475/450 12 pipe card!!!

You are right that you shouldn't judge speed and power by the number of pipelines, but the philosophy works in this situation. Even at slower core speeds, the XL is faster than the pro due to the pro's 4 crippled pipes. But you definately can't go by the number of piplines initially. Try running a X800XTPE at 400/1100 (6800Ultra speed) and see what happens. Both cards have 16 pipes and 256MB GDDR3. Does that mean the architectures are equivalent? Hell no.

 

[Regs]

You can't compare pipelines of a GPU to a CPU. CPU have stack ordering and unstack ordering of processing which has to take place in ..well..a certain order before the computation or task is complete.

Computer graphics are infinitely parallelizable because each pixel that has to be rendered can be done independently of the other pixels. So have a longer pipeline means it can render more pixels. However, considering the X800 can move pixels within the pipes faster, it balances out. But like the benchmarks concluded, even the faster clock speeds can't catch up to the extra 4 pipes unless over clocked.

So what I pretty much did was explain jiffy's calculation for ya.

 

[hans030390]

just to ruin the party...i wouldnt recommend either (if you're buying). Get a 6800 (gt if you wanna spend money) and unlock the pipes in it...that'll give you a 6800gt (or just buy a gt to be safe). They are generally more future proof than the x800 cards, because of Shader model 3.0...and yes, it IS going to be a big thing. Don't overlook it unless you plan to upgrade to next gen cards.

well, i'm prepared for flaming...but trust me...get a 6800gt.

 

[leedog2007]

Hey hans, why don't you just copy and past all of your posts because they all sound exactly the same. 😛

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: hans030390
just to ruin the party...i wouldnt recommend either (if you're buying). Get a 6800 (gt if you wanna spend money) and unlock the pipes in it...that'll give you a 6800gt (or just buy a gt to be safe). They are generally more future proof than the x800 cards, because of Shader model 3.0...and yes, it IS going to be a big thing. Don't overlook it unless you plan to upgrade to next gen cards.

well, i'm prepared for flaming...but trust me...get a 6800gt.

Hans, I'm an nvidia fan also, but enough with the 3.0 sales pitch already.
I agree that SM3.0 will have a larger role later on, but not right now or in the immediate future. Even if it did, you would do fine with either ATI or Nvidia for all your gaming needs and not miss much if you went with ATI 2.0b. HDR and Stencil Shadowing are another matter.