x800 vs. 6800 series...2D image quality??

[gururu]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

lol, i know what outsorcing means. again, TSMC makes chips, they don't make cards, outsorced for nvidia or anyone else. other companies make cards, one of them being leadtek.

yea, i think 'built by ATI' vs. 'powered by ATI' speaks for itself. I always understood that nvidia provided reference designs as ATI does to other companies, but they aren't necessarily locked in to producing cards with those designs. also, i believe that companies choose their own silicon as well as memory chips and capacitors. regardless, no nvidia card on the market can be called 'built by nvidia', as in the case of ATI.

as far as 2Di think ati's dvd decoder/hardware is still the one to beat.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Pete
I could've sworn this exact question was asked not one week ago, and 6800 owners said their signal quality was fine.

Of course it will be "fine," I mean I don't think it would be terrible by any means. But if you had 2 Windows desktops side by side in a comparison, the ATI might be noticeably better/sharper. This was the case in the past and I was just wondering if it still held true.

In my experience that is still the case. My BBA X800 Pro is clearly sharper than both BFG 6800 GTs I've tried (and since nVidia is sourcing all the cards for everyone atm then it will hold true across the entire brand range of 6800 cards)

We cant go by your experience. According to you, you could not get the proper resolution on your oddball display. Although ATI still probably has the 2D edge.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

And the D!(KHE@D of the week award goes tooooo....... BAR81... Congratulations Bar, what are you gonna do next? Kudos.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

And the D!(KHE@D of the week award goes tooooo....... BAR81... Congratulations Bar, what are you gonna do next? Kudos.

I think we should nickname him "Mr. Personality".

 

[Acanthus]

I love this argument, this is just troll after troll after troll.

No one here mentions the fact that DVI and VGA will look dramatically different, what type of display its on, settings like resolution and refresh rate...

Theres so many variables that saying, omg my X800 that ive had for a week looks way better than my friends 6800 on his AOC 15" VGA display @ 1024x768x60hz.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I love this argument, this is just troll after troll after troll.

No one here mentions the fact that DVI and VGA will look dramatically different, what type of display its on, settings like resolution and refresh rate...

Theres so many variables that saying, omg my X800 that ive had for a week looks way better than my friends 6800 on his AOC 15" VGA display @ 1024x768x60hz.

actually i mentioned type of monitor and refresh rate earlier(even using the actual driver for a particular montior as opposed to the generic windows driver), it was ignored though...

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Pete
I could've sworn this exact question was asked not one week ago, and 6800 owners said their signal quality was fine.

Of course it will be "fine," I mean I don't think it would be terrible by any means. But if you had 2 Windows desktops side by side in a comparison, the ATI might be noticeably better/sharper. This was the case in the past and I was just wondering if it still held true.

In my experience that is still the case. My BBA X800 Pro is clearly sharper than both BFG 6800 GTs I've tried (and since nVidia is sourcing all the cards for everyone atm then it will hold true across the entire brand range of 6800 cards)

We cant go by your experience. According to you, you could not get the proper resolution on your oddball display. Although ATI still probably has the 2D edge.

Except I did get the proper resolution my little reading impaired retard.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

And the D!(KHE@D of the week award goes tooooo....... BAR81... Congratulations Bar, what are you gonna do next? Kudos.

Gee, I don't know, maybe give your mom a tissue when she realizes you're a stain on the underside of civilization.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

And the D!(KHE@D of the week award goes tooooo....... BAR81... Congratulations Bar, what are you gonna do next? Kudos.

I think we should nickname him "Mr. Personality".

I just can't believe it, the genius himself siding with the rest of the morons :shocked: This is so inconceivable! The morons sticking together. I've got to say I'm absolutely shocked :roll:

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

since when did TSMC start makeing anything but chips? or are you the one that has trouble keeping his facts straight?

Learn what outsourcing means. Try www.dictionary.com

And the D!(KHE@D of the week award goes tooooo....... BAR81... Congratulations Bar, what are you gonna do next? Kudos.

I think we should nickname him "Mr. Personality".

I just can't believe it, the genius himself siding with the rest of the morons :shocked: This is so inconceivable! The morons sticking together. I've got to say I'm absolutely shocked :roll:

Yep, "Mr. Personality" is perfect.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bar81
Except I did get the proper resolution my little reading impaired retard.

Yeah except you created a 200+ post fiasco on the forums by saying that your BFG graphics card couldn't operate at 1600x1200 under DVI, when in reality it could. You didn't even have it in your posession. Who knows how many people cancelled their orders because of your misinformation.

I could also go into how you used to think the Athlon 64 Mobiles were not better overclockers than the non-mobiles, and then you created a huge thread about them and said this:

The CG revision of the Athlon 64 also overclocks better than current desktop C0 revision chip.

:roll:

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
Except I did get the proper resolution my little reading impaired retard.

Yeah except you created a 200+ post fiasco on the forums by saying that your BFG graphics card couldn't operate at 1600x1200 under DVI, when in reality it could. You didn't even have it in your posession. Who knows how many people cancelled their orders because of your misinformation.

I could also go into how you used to think the Athlon 64 Mobiles were not better overclockers than the non-mobiles, and then you created a huge thread about them and said this:

The CG revision of the Athlon 64 also overclocks better than current desktop C0 revision chip.

:roll:

You are *such* a moron. Why don't you go talk to Ackmed and see how he bought the BFG 6800 GT that "wasn't in my possession" Second of all, you incompetent insult to civilation, I MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT BFG THEMSELVES FROM TWO SEPERATE PEOPLE (a CSR and a Supervisor) INFORMED ME THAT THERE WAS A "LIMITATION" Why don't you go cry to BFG for putting out the misinformation my mentally stunted poster.

You clearly know jack about Mobile Athlon 64s. I'm glad you're not limiting your ignorance to only one subject matter. You also need to get hooked on phonics. LEARN TO READ YOU IDIOT. What you are talking about are TWO SEPERATE CONCEPTS. First, the Mobile Athlon 64 DOES NOT overclock any better than desktop chips that are the same revision. However, if you compare older C0 revision desktop chips to CG revision Mobile chips then the Mobile chips will overclock higher. Second, all CG revision chips, whether mobile or desktop overclock to the same range. From now on, as far as you're concerned I'm *the* authority on mobile Athlon 64s and any comment you have is WRONG. It's just amazing that your incompetence reaches such great heights and yet you fail to see it. The true mark of an unadulterated idiot.

 

[James3shin]

wow bar81, are you ok man?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bar81
all CG revision chips, whether mobile or desktop overclock to the same range

For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable you really are a complete idiot. You obviously know nothing about how CPUs are manufactured and binned. Basically what you're saying is that all CPUs of the same revision are capable of the same overclocked speeds. Are you insane? You think all 2500+ Bartons can reach the same speed as all 3200+ Bartons? Check out the CPU forum for all the people who can't even hit 3200+ speeds with theirs, even on 1.75v.

If you're going to flame someone, at least get your facts straight.

 

[Bar81]

I give up, you're too stupid for words.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
all CG revision chips, whether mobile or desktop overclock to the same range

For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable you really are a complete idiot. You obviously know nothing about how CPUs are manufactured and binned. Basically what you're saying is that all CPUs of the same revision are capable of the same overclocked speeds. Are you insane? You think all 2500+ Bartons can reach the same speed as all 3200+ Bartons? Check out the CPU forum for all the people who can't even hit 3200+ speeds with theirs, even on 1.75v.

If you're going to flame someone, at least get your facts straight.

Bar, don't worry, I am overnighting your award to you. You should have it Monday first thing.

Here is the inscription just in case you can't wait til Monday:

To Bar81,
A person who did, and does, everything in his power to insult his fellow man. Has no manners whatsoever and incapable of true love because the only person he loves is himself. He instills in all of us and delivers the true meaning of the brand, D!(KHE@D.. We are so proud of you.


There you go. Hope you like it. It fits perfectly.

Keys

P.S. You know you brought this on yourself bud... No other explaination... If you were different, this post along with others would have never existed. Get some manners.

 

[Bar81]

As if I'd let you and your army of ingrates know where I live :roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bar81
As if I'd let you and your army of ingrates know where I live :roll:

Well, I'll say one thing for ya, your not that stupid. :thumbsdown:

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
all CG revision chips, whether mobile or desktop overclock to the same range

For someone who claims to be so knowledgeable you really are a complete idiot. You obviously know nothing about how CPUs are manufactured and binned. Basically what you're saying is that all CPUs of the same revision are capable of the same overclocked speeds. Are you insane? You think all 2500+ Bartons can reach the same speed as all 3200+ Bartons? Check out the CPU forum for all the people who can't even hit 3200+ speeds with theirs, even on 1.75v.

If you're going to flame someone, at least get your facts straight.

P.S. You know you brought this on yourself bud... No other explaination... If you were different, this post along with others would have never existed. Get some manners.

P.P.S. Back at you, take your own advice.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bar81
I give up, you're too stupid for words.

Typically when someone like you says that it means they can't intelligently discuss something because they know that they are wrong.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81
As if I'd let you and your army of ingrates know where I live :roll:

Well, I'll say one thing for ya, your not that stupid. :thumbsdown:

It's "you're" you illiterate idiot. I'm done, this is a waste of time.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Bar81
I give up, you're too stupid for words.

Typically when someone like you says that it means they can't intelligently discuss something because they know that they are wrong.

OR, you're JUST TOO STUPID TO BE REASONED WITH :roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

That made no sense. But, that's not a new event for you.

Ok, back to 2D talk folks. Anyone own both cards at the moment who can compare?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Bar81
As if I'd let you and your army of ingrates know where I live :roll:

Well, I'll say one thing for ya, your not that stupid. :thumbsdown:

It's "you're" you illiterate idiot. I'm done, this is a waste of time.

You are done. Take care now.

 

[gunblade]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
ati cards have very good 2d, nvidia doesn't make cards. people that make cards with nvidia chips have varing quality control standards, and many of them don't stack up to ati's cards when it comes to 2d image quality. if you want a nvidia based card with 2d that stacks up to ati's stuff, i recomend leadtek.

You have no clue what you're talking about. NEITHER ATI or nVidia make their own cards. Rather they outsource them from places like TSMC. EVERY 6800 card is exactly the same as they are ALL outsourced by nVidia themselves; the only thing the respective companies add is the cooler. Later on, individual companies will begin to outsource their own cards based on their own design but that isn't now. Get your facts straight before you spout your nonsense.

Well, TSMC is the fabrication foundry for fabless chip design company such as nVidia and Ati. TSMC does chip fabrication and does not fabricate any PCB at all. Most AIBs(Add-in-board) are manufacturing their own branded graphic cards using the reference design and thus have the freedom to cut cost by using the cheaper components, which in the filter design case the capacitors and inductors.

Nvidia did once contracted all the manufacturing for all the AIBs in the NV30 era to have tight control over the manufacturing tolerances. But the days were long gone. Cards are now individually manufactured instead of "All outsourced by nVidia themselves".