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x58 lga 1366 nehalem build cost?

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oneofusjustin

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so its 2am and what am i doing? trying to figure out if i should wait a couple months for my next build.... but my question is what do you guys think a decent game rig is gonna cost on intels new socket and cpu? any idea on x58 lga1366 msrp? i cant find that info anywhere... i know the first nehalem is supposed to be priced under 300 and your gonna have to use ddr3 so that racks up a bit but for the 15-20% clock for clock gains i think it might be worth it... lets try and find some msrp on the new stuff and get a build cost idea
 
So: you pay either:
a) $750 = $250 mb + $200 DDR3 + $300 3 GHz nehalem and get the same speed as a
b) $300 = $140 P45 mb + $90 DDR2 + $170 3 GHz E8400 set to 800 FSB ( = 3.6 GHz).

Nope, not seeing the logic there.

Sure you can overclock the nehalem too, but for most people the 3.6 GHz E8400 is more than enough. Actually the E8400 at stock is fine for most video cards and gaming.
 
Core 2 is just the much better value right now. I estimate you can buy a Core 2 setup now and upgrade to Nehalem late next year and still spend about the same amount of money as upgrading to Nehalem this year. Nehalem is really only going to be "necessary" for people who do heavy multi-threaded and memory-bandwidth-limited applications.

edit: Of course this is still speculation until we see more benchmarks, availability, and pricing.
 
Davesimmons estimations are a bit off though. I saw someone mention 2x2gb of ddr3 for $160, that's not quite 200$, and by the time the $300 nehalem cpu comes it out it might be even less. The mobo, a bit on the high side I think, although I haven't exactly whatched prices from previous mobo's that came out with a new socket. I'd guess $150-$200 for a x58 mobo. Then $300 for the CPU. Best case scenario = $600. And, the past tells us early adopters always get screwed. So tbh, I'd go with a c2d upgrade if you need one.
 
Originally posted by: oneofusjustin
so a solid e8400 overclocked to 4ghz wont get pwn'd by nehalem to bad in gamin?
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There is everything wrong with this post.

Two points I'll make:
- the GPU still makes way more difference. You can run an AMD Phenom 5000 at stock and still not bottleneck a mid/high end graphics card. The CPU makes way less difference in most games (RTS being a major exception, such as Supreme Commander).
- "pwn'd ... bad in gamin" = a shoddy workman blames his tools!



An interesting thread concept, though. I'm thinking of maybe upgrading my computer in october but I generally stay away from being a bleeding-edge early adopter of new tech to avoid price gouging and early flaky boards/drivers/etc. I got in on Core 2 three months after the main craze so I had a little vicarious experience with it and knew what to look for and what to stay away from. It'd be good to get an idea of the kind of standard price you'll have to pay to get in on Nehalem on the ground floor, though.

And then add another 30% to that price for the UK, I bet 🙁.


Edit: Hurf durf I left out a word that changed the entire meaning of the post. D'oh. Thanks MarcVenice.
 
Originally posted by: Rebel44
Originally posted by: oneofusjustin
so a solid e8400 overclocked to 4ghz wont get pwn'd by nehalem to bad in gamin?
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no - because bottleneck will be GPU.
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Have there been any benchmarks of Nehalem in games yet? Games appear to be very cache friendly, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Nehalem lose in some games.
 
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Davesimmons estimations are a bit off though. I saw someone mention 2x2gb of ddr3 for $160, that's not quite 200$, and by the time the $300 nehalem cpu comes it out it might be even less. The mobo, a bit on the high side I think, although I haven't exactly whatched prices from previous mobo's that came out with a new socket. I'd guess $150-$200 for a x58 mobo. Then $300 for the CPU. Best case scenario = $600. And, the past tells us early adopters always get screwed. So tbh, I'd go with a c2d upgrade if you need one.
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Depends on whether you want to use only 2 channels on the Nehalem rather than 3 (needing 3 sticks of RAM), also due to triple channel, some people seem to indicate increased cost due to more traces.

He is ignoring the fact that the Nehalem has 4 cores vs 2 for the Core 2 Duo though, even though performance per core may be about equal, Nehalem has double the number of cores (and 4x the number of threads), which for some workloads (minimal in many games at the moment) would provide an advantage.
 
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: oneofusjustin
so a solid e8400 overclocked to 4ghz wont get pwn'd by nehalem to bad in gamin?
Click to expand...

There is everything wrong with this post.

Two points I'll make:
- the GPU still makes way more difference. You can run an AMD Phenom 5000 at stock and still NOT bottleneck a mid/high end graphics card. The CPU makes way less difference in most games (RTS being a major exception, such as Supreme Commander).
- "pwn'd ... bad in gamin" = a shoddy workman blames his tools!



An interesting thread concept, though. I'm thinking of maybe upgrading my computer in october but I generally stay away from being a bleeding-edge early adopter of new tech to avoid price gouging and early flaky boards/drivers/etc. I got in on Core 2 three months after the main craze so I had a little vicarious experience with it and knew what to look for and what to stay away from. It'd be good to get an idea of the kind of standard price you'll have to pay to get in on Nehalem on the ground floor, though.

And then add another 30% to that price for the UK, I bet 🙁.
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You ment to add NOT, right roguestar?
 
^ ah yes thanks for noticing my mistake!

Originally posted by: Fox5
Originally posted by: Rebel44
Originally posted by: oneofusjustin
so a solid e8400 overclocked to 4ghz wont get pwn'd by nehalem to bad in gamin?
Click to expand...

no - because bottleneck will be GPU.
Click to expand...

Have there been any benchmarks of Nehalem in games yet? Games appear to be very cache friendly, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Nehalem lose in some games.
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Games are somewhat responsive to cache but much much more so to clock speed or to put a fine point on it, effectiveness per clock speed. If Nehalem is 20% more efficient per cycle like we're hearing, it'll still win out even with less cache.
 
Originally posted by: Roguestar

There is everything wrong with this post.

- "pwn'd ... bad in gamin" = a shoddy workman blames his tools!
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LOL @ your silly silly quote. Quotations are used as a shorthand for thought, and it shows here.

Sometimes your tools just suck, and you really can blame your crappy tools.

I agree in this case i7 is a joke and early-adopters get screwed, but your quote was too good to pass up to take a dump on.

 
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