X3350 / Q9450 Overclocking Thread

[Tutto]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: Tutto
I have a q9300 C0 that runs 3.6GHz with 1.51 vcore totally stable

:shocked:

That is WAY too much.

+1 too much voltage, also too much heat under a small foot print.

Also how are you keeping that under control? @ 1.5Vcore my water has a hard time racing the temps.

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by +1 too much voltage? I do lots of video encoding which utilizes all cores and have been running my 9300 at those settings for a couple of months without a problem and have never seen my temps go over 60C. I keep my house around 74F.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Tutto

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: Tutto
I have a q9300 C0 that runs 3.6GHz with 1.51 vcore totally stable

:shocked:

That is WAY too much.

+1 too much voltage, also too much heat under a small foot print.

Also how are you keeping that under control? @ 1.5Vcore my water has a hard time racing the temps.

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by +1 too much voltage? I do lots of video encoding which utilizes all cores and have been running my 9300 at those settings for a couple of months without a problem and have never seen my temps go over 60C. I keep my house around 74F.

Dude, that IS way too much. You'll be lucky it it will last you more than a year and a half...
Intel says the voltage for your chip is 0.85V ? 1.3625V

I'm doing 3.4 @ 1.2vcore

 

[socket462]

Originally posted by: gersson
I'm thinking 3.4 is my sweet spot. Anything higher may be doable but there's no point if the NB, etc are too damn hot. Besides, it feels like summer in Miami already

Not bad -- an 800mhz OC.

Now I have to tighten the timings.

My CPU is obviously a winner. It's doing 3.4 @ 1.2volts :shocked:
if someone wants my chip, they can have it for a hefty premium

I agree there-- My Q9450 is running 430x8 on stock voltage just fine-- ROCK STABLE-- I had it at 440 upping the voltage some-- but it wasn't stable as I would like.

This is on a TRUE 120- 1 fan in an Antec 900 case-
I am absolutely happy as a clam with this baby!! My E8400 was able to do 3.6 on the same setup without overvolting.

--yes-- I may have to open a window upstairs with this thing running! Its not quite summer here in Iowa yet though!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Foxery

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
so, um, heh heh, I updated the bios and, um, the computer won't boot now. I got lazy and used the windoze abit flash menu b/c I've done it before without incident. I'm getting a C1 error upon boot (memory detect). Am I screwed permanently or is there a fix for this?

Did you reset the CMOS after flashing? I just updated my IP35-Pro to version 16b09 today, and I had to flip the little switch under the keyboard port before it would POST. Everything's been peachy since then.

yes, I got it working again. The windoze flasher worked fine, I just forgot to reset the cmos via the rear switch before rebooting. After I remembered to reset it I kept getting a mem error. aigomorla suggested that I try some slower - rated ram (I have a stick of pc5300 lying around). That didn't work at first, but finally after 10-15 tries in all four slots I got it to post. I immediately upped vdimm to 2.0 and since then it's been fine, I even got the 2x1 gb ballistix back in place.

On a side note, I just got a pm from byronm with moogr.com, it looks like my X3350 is on the way! Soon, very soon, I will turn my computer room into the sauna that it was meant to be!!!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
what are vtt/gtL? I think that I've seen them lurking around in the bios but I've always been too scared to mess with them.

I gotta go to bed now so just a couple pics for now.

For example, while I was trying to lower my vCore I fiddled with the GTL values of vTT/vFSB as well as vNB. See what's happened in the pics below. (red rectengles)

1. Before
   
   After

A lot of boards seem to set the GTL level too low or too high, causing instability, no POST, high temps, or huge discrepancy between cores. Calibrating the GTL values per core seems to be the key for quad-core clocking.

uGuru and bios show cpu GTLREF 1&3 and cpu GTLREF 0&2 as defaulted to 67%. You can change it up to as high as 80% and as low as 45%. I don't think that the ip35pro has settings for GTLREF on the nb/fsb/vtt/etc unless those are all somehow related. What was your default GTLREF and what did you change it to?

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
uGuru and bios show cpu GTLREF 1&3 and cpu GTLREF 0&2 as defaulted to 67%. You can change it up to as high as 80% and as low as 45%. I don't think that the ip35pro has settings for GTLREF on the nb/fsb/vtt/etc unless those are all somehow related. What was your default GTLREF and what did you change it to?

I have set CPU GTL to 87/88 and NB GTL to 92. The board default was 110/110 and 110, I believe. This setting was 100% stable in XP (at least in 2D, haven't tested 3D yet) but right now I am getting LargeFFT errors in Vista64, so trying to figure out what's going on. (SmallFFT is rock solid)

Edit: Above setting is for my Q6600. 45nm CPUs are suposedly very different.

 

[bka4u2c]

With my motherboard I use the setting that gave me success with my E8400:
CPU GTL Reference Voltage: 65
FSB Terminator Voltage: 60-63

I leave the NB GTL on AUTO.

 

[tenax]

bryan, good to hear your running..and no, there are no other gtl settings on the abit board than the 2. fyi, i've played between 65 and 70% from the stock 67% with no apparent improvement (not that i have a clue how to fine tune those on this board)

in terms of the reset switch , tell me..how many times did you read veterans over there posting the cut and pastes on how to reset the ip-35 after a bios flash? LOL

 

[bryanW1995]

I checked all the forums for the 15 hrs between bios flash and getting rig to work again. Nobody in that time gave me any useful advice except apoppin and aigomorla. Well, apoppin tried but it was all things I'd already tried, aigomorla just threw out his opinion and he was right. I guess that experience is a big help b/c aigo has a ton of it

well, I was tempted to get a better mobo like an x38/48 for the quad and just keep the ip35 pro for the e6750, but the cost was too high. then I was tempted to just get another ip35 pro since they're $135 AR on the egg, but when I saw the ip35-e for just $67 it just seemed like too good of a deal to pass up so I'm stuck going at the X3350 with the ip35 pro. Hopefully I'll be able to get a decent oc out of it, even with only limited gtl/ref options.

 

[tenax]

manage expectations, that's what i do, then i'm rarely disappointed to my point, never did expect 4 gig out of this..but if i could be the 3.2 i ran on my 6400 24/7, i was going to be a happy camper. done with 3500 stable and running cool..and anything else would be gravyLOL

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, for me on the X3350 I'm hoping for ~3.8 max oc and 3.6 at good voltages and reasonable temps.

It's funny, I was hoping for ~4ghz 24/7 out of my e6750 and couldn't get a max oc higher than 3.74 (at least not with vcore I was willing to use) and eventually settled on 3.4 for 24/7 use.

 

[tenax]

well, ive done 3.75 or so, but not stable enough to run..boots fine into windows but couldn't run for more than 15 minutes without a reboot..i was happy doing that..a 50% plus overclock to say i did it (at 1.45 real volts on the cpu, thank you much) and then went back to reality and 3.4 -3.5 (and never noticed any difference in speed between 3.4 and 3.75..lol)

got to tell you as well, that when encoding (and i'm not the first one to report this) the disappointment with the quad core is that it does not simply allow you to do a whole bunch more tasking ..or spread the load so it's minimal across all 4 cpus. i noted that the cores were running between 50 and 65% during an encode while watching a show..and other windows were opening slow..i wondered if it was my cpu, then read a few other reports on forums recently that said ..my quad is running at 65% useage when encoding..i'm disappointed, sort of stuff..

to be honest, in hindsight, i might have bought an e8400 and called it a day. c'est la vie, decision made, it's a good processor and low volts..onwards

 

[bryanW1995]

well, my e6750 was 6 hrs prime stable at 3.74, I just couldn't take the heat (literally). I'm in south tx and I bought it in july last year. The month after I bought it I got evicted from my computer room to make room for baby #2 and now share my office with my wife's office and her opty 180 file server and laptop. That room gets VERY hot even with the e6750 at 3.4. For a Q6600 to put out such a low amount of heat it would probably need to run pretty close to stock, but I'm hoping to get much better room temps out of the X3350. Besides, I'm out of town 6 days a week so the wife can just deal with it. Uh, don't tell her I said that of course.

 

[T2k]

Scored the last X3350 today from Excaliber...
What can I expect on water (X38 mobo)?

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Tutto

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: Tutto
I have a q9300 C0 that runs 3.6GHz with 1.51 vcore totally stable

:shocked:

That is WAY too much.

+1 too much voltage, also too much heat under a small foot print.

Also how are you keeping that under control? @ 1.5Vcore my water has a hard time racing the temps.

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean by +1 too much voltage? I do lots of video encoding which utilizes all cores and have been running my 9300 at those settings for a couple of months without a problem and have never seen my temps go over 60C. I keep my house around 74F.

Dude, that IS way too much. You'll be lucky it it will last you more than a year and a half...
Intel says the voltage for your chip is 0.85V ? 1.3625V

I'm doing 3.4 @ 1.2vcore

Dunno, I kept my Q6600 running at similar Vc ore, around ~1.5V - Intel never considered water as cooling solution, that official number is for its stock cooler.

 

[bryanW1995]

you can definitely go higher on good water, but 1.5 is pushing it on a quad unless you're on phase change or have a REALLY good water setup and fantastic case cooling.

 

[lloydxd]

What temps are you guys getting? Mines is currently 28C on a tuniq measured with the BIOS (I don't think this is the actual temp). Haven't OC yet but I was just curious what temps you guys have at 3.0ghz-3.5ghz

 

[dasracht]

The bios cpu temperature is the motherboard's reading of the temperature around the processor and hsf. What you need to look at is the temperatures of the cores, which i've never seen measured in the bios (but it might be on some boards). For this, you'll need coretemp or realtemp, but even these programs have a disagreement on the temps, as there is a 10c difference between them.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: dasracht
The bios cpu temperature is the motherboard's reading of the temperature around the processor and hsf. What you need to look at is the temperatures of the cores, which i've never seen measured in the bios (but it might be on some boards). For this, you'll need coretemp or realtemp, but even these programs have a disagreement on the temps, as there is a 10c difference between them.

Everest measures everything including per core temps, ever since when it was called AIDA.

 

[T2k]

I have my own custom-built H20 loop and I ran my Q6600 at 1.5xx as I recall - 3.8-3.9GHz needed high FSB thus high Vcore, high PLL and usually high chipset voltage as well. To stabilize it I had to replace my otherwise perfectly fine Swiftech Storm v2 with a FuZion block and one of my mem crapped out somewhere along but the great G.Skill CS replaced the full pair promptly.

Hmmm, FedEx says April 7... six more days to go until I pop in my new X3350... hmm, waiting...

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
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hey, I ordered an X3350 from moogr.com based on your recommendation. have you done business with them before? I'm at 48 hrs and counting with no response from them and no charges to my credit card :frown:

Brian,

I looked up your order and it has shipped.

PM / call /email me if you need anything else.

 

[bryanW1995]

thanks for the help byron! dajeepster got his last night (lucky bastard) too. I appreciate your hard work and know the challenges that you can face with a new business. Consider me a happy moogr.com customer!

 

[tenax]

ip35 pro owners, attention!

here's the new official 16 bios..see the text notes when you unzip the file..exciting!

ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/b...ro/m629b16.zip

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: tenax
ip35 pro owners, attention!

here's the new official 16 bios..see the text notes when you unzip the file..exciting!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/b...ro/m629b16.zip">ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/d......b...ro/m629b16.zip</a>

Link doesn;t work, says can change directory... So whats the note ?

 

[tenax]

ok, go to post 60 on this link and i just tried and you can download it that way. i put the text notes on post 62 of the same thread i believe:

http://forum.uabit.com/showthread.php?t=133675&page=6