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X3 720 @ 3.8Ghz Vs C2D E8500 @ 4.7Ghz

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Rick James

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Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
 
If your not happy with the 720, does it matter what anyone thinks? I don't know of many 8500@4.7, but irregardless, as games become more multi-threaded the more cores the better. In other things like encoding, I would guess the 720 will hold an edge as well. You really have given much detail.
 
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
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Most apps/games will appreciate the superior speed of your E8500 to the 3rd core of the X3 720.

If you ever wonder why there are some people who react in hostile fashion to some of your posts, its for statements like, "i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all". You sometimes throw out these anti-AMD statements w/o demonstrating any rational justification for it.
 
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
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Most apps/games will appreciate the superior speed of your E8500 to the 3rd core of the X3 720.

If you ever wonder why there are some people who react in hostile fashion to some of your posts, its for statements like, "i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all". You sometimes throw out these anti-AMD statements w/o demonstrating any rational justification for it.
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Me stating "I'm not happy with my 720" doesn't mean i think all AMD products are crap or anything like that. I'm a realist and just being honest. Even at 3.8Ghz this X3 doesn't feel all that fast. It's just my opinion. Amd guys shouldn't get mad about it.
 
Originally posted by: Rick James
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
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Most apps/games will appreciate the superior speed of your E8500 to the 3rd core of the X3 720.

If you ever wonder why there are some people who react in hostile fashion to some of your posts, its for statements like, "i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all". You sometimes throw out these anti-AMD statements w/o demonstrating any rational justification for it.
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Me stating "I'm not happy with my 720" doesn't mean i think all AMD products are crap or anything like that. I'm a realist and just being honest. Even at 3.8Ghz this X3 doesn't feel all that fast. It's just my opinion. Amd guys shouldn't get mad about it.
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I am not mad at all. I don't even use AMD. But your statement that your not happy with the 720 is pretty cut and dry. So in that case no one can post anything that can make you think any different. But while I don't have a 720, I can read. And most of the review sites show the 3 core cpu to have a slight edge on a dual core machine. Which should improve in the near future. Anand did a nice review just here recently. And they felt the 720 was a strong buy. I use a 8400 by the way. Your post is generic, folks will give you better feedback with more detail. Such the apps in which 720 performs below your expectations.
 
From looking at the specs of your system, that may be why the 720 seems slow. You are going from a very fast and probably expensive system to a chip that cost less than $150. Also you have two SSDs in that system that could make your AMD system seem slow even if the bottleneck is someplace else.

Getting back to your original question, it would certainly depend on what apps you are running.
 
Well, that 720 is way way faster than my e2180 at 3.4ghz and this is plenty fast for me for everything (encoding videos/music, serious photoshop video editing...so I don't know what you're problem is.
 
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Rick James
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
Click to expand...

Most apps/games will appreciate the superior speed of your E8500 to the 3rd core of the X3 720.

If you ever wonder why there are some people who react in hostile fashion to some of your posts, its for statements like, "i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all". You sometimes throw out these anti-AMD statements w/o demonstrating any rational justification for it.
Click to expand...

Me stating "I'm not happy with my 720" doesn't mean i think all AMD products are crap or anything like that. I'm a realist and just being honest. Even at 3.8Ghz this X3 doesn't feel all that fast. It's just my opinion. Amd guys shouldn't get mad about it.
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I am not mad at all. I don't even use AMD. But your statement that your not happy with the 720 is pretty cut and dry. So in that case no one can post anything that can make you think any different. But while I don't have a 720, I can read. And most of the review sites show the 3 core cpu to have a slight edge on a dual core machine. Which should improve in the near future. Anand did a nice review just here recently. And they felt the 720 was a strong buy. I use a 8400 by the way. Your post is generic, folks will give you better feedback with more detail. Such the apps in which 720 performs below your expectations.
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@ classy, I think the OP's comment is directed more at me.

@ OP, in previous posts, you have referred to AMD as "garbage", claimed that any Intel CPU would beat the upcoming AMD X4's, referred to the former X2's as "dogs", etc etc. So yeah, you come across as someone who doesn't like AMD. Even though most reviews (and benchmarks) show pretty fair parity between AMD and Intel at similar price points.
 
Originally posted by: baddog60
From looking at the specs of your system, that may be why the 720 seems slow. You are going from a very fast and probably expensive system to a chip that cost less than $150. Also you have two SSDs in that system that could make your AMD system seem slow even if the bottleneck is someplace else.

Getting back to your original question, it would certainly depend on what apps you are running.
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Actually, the OP stated he is building a system for a client, so I think it's a pretty safe assumption that outside of CPU/mobo he is using the same or comparable components between the two systems.
 
hey rick...

give up.. i know what your trying to get at... you want real questions..

Well, best person to ask might be mark since he's had a PHII for a while now and has been ranting about how it performs on aspect to a C2Q.

Idontcare also tends to know inside chip details, or ask rubycon or ctho.

I think your stiring up our AMD fanbase now... :T
 
Originally posted by: aigomorla
hey rick...

give up.. i know what your trying to get at... you want real questions..

Well, best person to ask might be mark since he's had a PHII for a while now and has been ranting about how it performs on aspect to a C2Q.

Idontcare also tends to know inside chip details, or ask rubycon or ctho.

I think your stiring up our AMD fanbase now... :T
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I don't think anyone's particularly "stirred up" based on being a fanboi of either mark.

Since we are "geeks" here, we like to have statistical data in addition to anecdotal. OP tends not to provide that when comparing Intel vs AMD.

I'll reiterate my 1st post in this thread: IMO (and influenced by the benchies I've seen) an E8500 @ 4.7 Ghz is, in most situations, as fast or faster than an X3 @ 3.8 Ghz. The 3rd core of the X3 is offset by the higher clock and superior IPC of the E8500.
 
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
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I don't personally own an AMD platform atm, but I'd have to say that at that speed, you are damn near the upper curve that flattens out beyond those numbers. Then again I don't know the difference between gaming @ 4ghz & 4.7Ghz.. but I can't imagine it being a whole hell of alot better.
 
yeah but this is 2 in less then a week kinda asking the same question. :T

Also its not a fair competition with core speeds.

Rick when you compare, you need to make sure the chip is either @ stock, or = mhz in clock speed.

Having a skyline GTR Juni moded vs. a honda Civic SiR is not a fair competition. Which is basically what your doing.
 
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Rick James
Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Originally posted by: Rick James
Title speaks for itself. Does the 3rd core really make that much of a difference or would the E8500 at that speed just simply game so much better?

Reason i ask is because i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all and am thinking about switching back to a C2D for the lady's new computer
Click to expand...

Most apps/games will appreciate the superior speed of your E8500 to the 3rd core of the X3 720.

If you ever wonder why there are some people who react in hostile fashion to some of your posts, its for statements like, "i'm not happy with this X3 720 at all". You sometimes throw out these anti-AMD statements w/o demonstrating any rational justification for it.
Click to expand...

Me stating "I'm not happy with my 720" doesn't mean i think all AMD products are crap or anything like that. I'm a realist and just being honest. Even at 3.8Ghz this X3 doesn't feel all that fast. It's just my opinion. Amd guys shouldn't get mad about it.
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I am not mad at all. I don't even use AMD. But your statement that your not happy with the 720 is pretty cut and dry. So in that case no one can post anything that can make you think any different. But while I don't have a 720, I can read. And most of the review sites show the 3 core cpu to have a slight edge on a dual core machine. Which should improve in the near future. Anand did a nice review just here recently. And they felt the 720 was a strong buy. I use a 8400 by the way. Your post is generic, folks will give you better feedback with more detail. Such the apps in which 720 performs below your expectations.
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@ classy, I think the OP's comment is directed more at me.

@ OP, in previous posts, you have referred to AMD as "garbage", claimed that any Intel CPU would beat the upcoming AMD X4's, referred to the former X2's as "dogs", etc etc. So yeah, you come across as someone who doesn't like AMD. Even though most reviews (and benchmarks) show pretty fair parity between AMD and Intel at similar price points.
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The word "Garbage" is very strong and i apologize for even using it in past posts. I don't know what it is about this system. It's VERY nice but it just doesn't feel as nimble as my E8500 did. Maybe its all in my head.

My I7 rig is below. Here is the computer i built for my lady.

X3 720 @ 3.8Ghz
4GB Patriot 1066 DDR2
2 X 500GB WD 7200rpm in Raid 0
HD 4650
 
Of course a Phenom X3 at 3.8GHz won't feel as nimble as a E8500 at 4.7GHz if you using any programs that would utilize the extra core. I'd actually be interested to see if the E8500 could make up for it's one less core with nearly 1GHz more clock speed.

Why not do some heavy duty filtering tests in photoshop and report back?
 
haha you made my day with this one. :beer:
it feels good to know that I am not spoiled enough tell what I am missing out on with my PII x3; this thing doesn't even do 3.5ghz!
 
Originally posted by: konakona
haha you made my day with this one. :beer:
it feels good to know that I am not spoiled enough tell what I am missing out on with my PII x3; this thing doesn't even do 3.5ghz!
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What settings are you using? I've gotten 3.8 stable. 4Ghz likes to crash during games but my 780G mobo is probably to blame. Bios is lacking
 
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