X2900XT won't be able to compete with 8800GTX

[Zenoth]

I'm still awaiting news on the HD 2900XL...

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
I'm still awaiting news on the HD 2900XL...

I don't think there is an "XL" model this time. The HD 2900XT will be priced around $400 to compete with the 8800GTS and the XTX $500+ to compete with the GTX. The HD 2600 series would then fill the sub-$300 price range.

 

[Zenoth]

There HAS to be a XL variant, or else what will be their mid-range ? Don't tell me that a $400 card is mid-range. If they only release XT and XTX then I believe that AMD/ATi is beyond stupid. The 2600 series will be low-range. They can't just make high and low and completely ignore the mid-range market.

EDIT: There, that's what I thought: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/03/06/r600_launch_will_be_top-to-bottom/

According to that news there WILL be a XL variant, thanks God.

 

[Matt2]

Well, if the high end benches are any indication, ATI's mid-range will be just as lack luster as Nvidia's.

 

[Zenoth]

At least I will be able to afford one. Not like those over-priced beasts. Lack luster or not, what's important for people without thousands in their wallet is to stay on-track with the newest features and technologies, whatever the frequencies are whatever the amount of and type of memory is. It's all about money at that point.

 

[Matt2]

I agree with you Zenoth. The point I was trying to make is that there may be a better option from Nvidia in your price range.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+...+Doomed+from+the+Start/article7052.htm

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX, Doomed from the Start

I'm still going to wait for benchmarks from retail available cards, but that's kind of harsh.

Holy crap! You know the guys at DailyTech were scratching their heads after getting those results....

edit: on a side note... I wonder how R600 compares to G80 in DX10... IIRC, ATI planned R600 to be a DX10 card from the ground up with DX9 support, whereas NV focused on making the fasted DX9 card that could that was still DX10 compatible. It seems that NV took the better gamble.

 

[fierydemise]

I think its really funny people are deciding that AMD is dead because their top of the line card isn't the best out there, you all know that the ultra high end video cards aren't all that special, if AMD can put out a solid midrange line up (which nVidia has made relatively easy) they'll be just fine.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I agree with you Zenoth. The point I was trying to make is that there may be a better option from Nvidia in your price range.

It will depend on the features from both products.

I chose my X1800XL over a 7800GT back then because the prices were lower for the XL (that was back in December 2005) by around $40 (which was quite relevant for me), and because I could use AVIVO, as well as see my games beautifully filtered with that new angle-independent A-F (HQ A-F) which wasn't equaled back then by G70, and I knew that the XL would run games better with 8x HQ A-F then with almost any amounts of A-A, not to mention that I personally could care less about A-A, even the so called 24x A-A with R600. So I had two features unique to that product, and a better price. The frequencies of the Core and the Memory was entirely and absolutely irrelevant to me (I ended up OC'ing it anyway).

If HD 2900XL ends up being devoid of features worth it to my eyes compared to G80, and if the prices are lower still with the G80's mid-range (probably the 320MB GTS version) then I will indeed jump in the green wagon. For now I need more information, a complete, detailed and official list of features from R600.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: Matt2
I agree with you Zenoth. The point I was trying to make is that there may be a better option from Nvidia in your price range.

It will depend on the features from both products.

I chose my X1800XL over a 7800GT back then because the prices were lower for the XL (that was back in December 2005) by around $40 (which was quite relevant for me), and because I could use AVIVO, as well as see my games beautifully filtered with that new angle-independent A-F (HQ A-F) which wasn't equaled back then by G70, and I knew that the XL would run games better with 8x HQ A-F then with almost any amounts of A-A, not to mention that I personally could care less about A-A, even the so called 24x A-A with R600. So I had two features unique to that product, and a better price. The frequencies of the Core and the Memory was entirely and absolutely irrelevant to me (I ended up OC'ing it anyway).

If HD 2900XL ends up being devoid of features worth it to my eyes compared to G80, and if the prices are lower still with the G80's mid-range (probably the 320MB GTS version) then I will indeed jump in the green wagon. For now I need more information, a complete, detailed and official list of features from R600.

Well said, but I dont think the deature sets are going to be drastically different as it was in the G70/R520 days.

DX10 is very strict on what a card needs to be DX10 compliant, so I'm not sure what one is going to offer over the other besides useless stuff like HDMI, etc...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
I think its really funny people are deciding that AMD is dead because their top of the line card isn't the best out there, you all know that the ultra high end video cards aren't all that special, if AMD can put out a solid midrange line up (which nVidia has made relatively easy) they'll be just fine.

havent you been reading the news ?

if by 'people' you mean their investors and partners ... and remaining fans ... AMD is gonna take a further beating

and i don't think any part of it is 'funny' ... or strange ... it's the law of their business jungle

and "2ndPlace" is Dead Last in this business

 

[CrystalBay]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Viditor!!! Where are you!!!
Have you heard anything about Applied Materials and AMD? Applied Materials market cap is over 26 Billion btw. (Not knowing if this actually means anything )

Care to share?

OT: heh, look at some of the comments under that DT article. Some certain fanboys are PEEEEVED off. I guess it's justifiable though. But to bitch about a 75MHz core and 200MHz mem o/c on that GTX is kind of petty. Judging from those quick benches, the GTX would have to be underclocked from 575/1800 to dwindle down to HD2900XTX performance.

Well, lets see what "other" things R600 really has to offer, feature wise.

I agree this would really be interesting from AMAT's point of view..

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

If the X2900XT is priced similarly to the 8800GTS I think it will sell quite well. AMD's Vista drivers are already more stable than Nvidia's, and the R600 has some very nice HTPC options that make it more attractive to me (HDMI audio, full acceleration of next-gen HD content, etc.). I've always prefered ATI's IQ as well in games.

The people who actually buy the 8800GTX cards are way in the minority. The bulk of sales comes from low-midrange cards. AMD is by no means toast so long as the X2900XT and
it's lower-end brethren do well.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
I think its really funny people are deciding that AMD is dead because their top of the line card isn't the best out there, you all know that the ultra high end video cards aren't all that special, if AMD can put out a solid midrange line up (which nVidia has made relatively easy) they'll be just fine.

havent you been reading the news ?

if by 'people' you mean their investors and partners ... and remaining fans ... AMD is gonna take a further beating

and i don't think any part of it is 'funny' ... or strange ... it's the law of their business jungle

and "2ndPlace" is Dead Last in this business

You know nothing of business, especially as it pertains to the video card industry.

Intel has for a long time held significant market share with it's wildly popular integrated graphics. Now, they certainly did not have the best product out by a long-shot but they still made a ton of money off of their low-end graphic solutions. The reason why Nvidia and AMD even bother trying to one-up each other with having the fastest card is for name recognition and brand approval. People are more likely to buy from the company that has the best product available on the market, even if they have no intention of buying that product.

AMD doesn't need to have the fastest card on the planet in order to survive. They need to put out competitive products. Most gamers are not running high-end 8800 cards. Midrange and low-end cards dominate the market.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
If the X2900XT is priced similarly to the 8800GTS I think it will sell quite well. AMD's Vista drivers are already more stable than Nvidia's, and the R600 has some very nice HTPC options that make it more attractive to me (HDMI audio, full acceleration of next-gen HD content, etc.). I've always prefered ATI's IQ as well in games.

The people who actually buy the 8800GTX cards are way in the minority. The bulk of sales comes from low-midrange cards. AMD is by no means toast so long as the X2900XT and
it's lower-end brethren do well.

how do you know that...?

 

[ronnn]

Sad the daily tech has caught up to vr zone, the inquirer and fudzilla in printing anything as long as it gets hits. Think I will wait for real benchies before passing gas. Hope you all clicked on that link. :beer:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
I think its really funny people are deciding that AMD is dead because their top of the line card isn't the best out there, you all know that the ultra high end video cards aren't all that special, if AMD can put out a solid midrange line up (which nVidia has made relatively easy) they'll be just fine.

havent you been reading the news ?

if by 'people' you mean their investors and partners ... and remaining fans ... AMD is gonna take a further beating

and i don't think any part of it is 'funny' ... or strange ... it's the law of their business jungle

and "2ndPlace" is Dead Last in this business

You know nothing of business, especially as it pertains to the video card industry.

Intel has for a long time held significant market share with it's wildly popular integrated graphics. Now, they certainly did not have the best product out by a long-shot but they still made a ton of money off of their low-end graphic solutions. The reason why Nvidia and AMD even bother trying to one-up each other with having the fastest card is for name recognition and brand approval. People are more likely to buy from the company that has the best product available on the market, even if they have no intention of buying that product.

AMD doesn't need to have the fastest card on the planet in order to survive. They need to put out competitive products. Most gamers are not running high-end 8800 cards. Midrange and low-end cards dominate the market.

and you know way less

comparing nvidia or AMD to intel's IG is just silly

Try giving your spin to AMD's investors and see what they think ... AMD is losing BigTime ... and they are so far in debt they have to borrow ... at high interest rates

actually they DO need to have the fastest to survive ... now

and i thought you didn't like ATF Video because of me and weren't going to post here anymore


:roll:

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
didnt intel wipe out a chunk of AMD's market share as well jus the other month?

man theyre getting it from both sides....intel and nvidia are tightening the screws.

I was thinking the same thing. Theres no reason not to have Intel/Nvidia products in any new build now. I would like to see more competition to drag down some prices though.

i expect a takeover attempt and a stockholder revolt
:Q
-or do you think they will even wait for Barcelona? the AMD hype-machine said the same thing about r600 that they are saying about Barcelona

.... has this news even reached their investors yet?


i didn't wait for benchmarks ... months ago ... when i said r600 had serious performance [lack] issues

AMD has nothing to say about their new GPU except it has "great features" and will be priced appropriately ... this isn't a money maker for them you know

There is a rumor that Applied Materials (AMAT) is courting the possibility of an AMD buyout, or sale. Remember when it was just a rumor that AMD was going to buy ATI???

DAMAMATA... I give up on making a silly name out of that one.

DOESNTMATA?