X1950 Pro AGP is coming!

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Thanks Stumps, one more question, as I am not familiar with ATI.

Doest Sapphire make all of ATI's first party boards for them?

Also, do I actually need the CCC or do the drivers have a built in bare bones 3d application settings?

I'm not sure about the first part boards, but as for the drivers yes you do need the ATI Crappy Control Center (CCC)

ATI used to have a nice simple control panel...but they ditched it for the pile of crap known as the Catalyst Control Center.

I current have to do a reformat because for some unknown reason the CCC stopped working and refuses to reinstall...It worked fine yesterday, but now who knows, it won't give me permission to run it..so I'll nuke it from orbit...It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: mismajor99

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
How long does ZZF normally take to ship an order out, status is still processing.

Same here, still says "Processing", I wonder if they ran out, as we both ordered them the same day

My guess is that they dont have any for us, they are just hoping to get some in the next few days and refuse to say that they are on back-order on their homepage because so much money is coming in.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: mismajor99

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
How long does ZZF normally take to ship an order out, status is still processing.

Same here, still says "Processing", I wonder if they ran out, as we both ordered them the same day

My guess is that they dont have any for us, they are just hoping to get some in the next few days and refuse to say that they are on back-order on their homepage because so much money is coming in.

it's time to email or call ... i wouldn't wait this long

did they charge your CC?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: mismajor99

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
How long does ZZF normally take to ship an order out, status is still processing.

Same here, still says "Processing", I wonder if they ran out, as we both ordered them the same day

My guess is that they dont have any for us, they are just hoping to get some in the next few days and refuse to say that they are on back-order on their homepage because so much money is coming in.

it's time to email or call ... i wouldn't wait this long

did they charge your CC?

They finally shipped it!

Although, it is coming from California, so I will probably not see it until Thursday. So much for 2-day shipping. It would have been here via UPS ground by tomorrow if they shipped it out the day after I ordered it.

Also, I hear that if I use the Omega drivers, I will not have to install the CCC, as he uses the old control panel with the new driver sets, this true?

 

[honestjohn]

Looks like someone finally realized there is a problem with X1950 Pro's and they are selling a new version of the Accelero2 with a special Heatspreader for the VRMs.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=90&data=3&disc=

Arctic Cooling is also selling the Special VRM Heatspreader by itself on EBay for $1.00 + $5.00 shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270082179956

In my opinion Powercolor should send one for free to every user who has bought a X1950 Pro which uses the same cooler.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: mismajor99

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
How long does ZZF normally take to ship an order out, status is still processing.

Same here, still says "Processing", I wonder if they ran out, as we both ordered them the same day

My guess is that they dont have any for us, they are just hoping to get some in the next few days and refuse to say that they are on back-order on their homepage because so much money is coming in.

it's time to email or call ... i wouldn't wait this long

did they charge your CC?

They finally shipped it!

Although, it is coming from California, so I will probably not see it until Thursday. So much for 2-day shipping. It would have been here via UPS ground by tomorrow if they shipped it out the day after I ordered it.

Also, I hear that if I use the Omega drivers, I will not have to install the CCC, as he uses the old control panel with the new driver sets, this true?

good news ... finally

i live in cali ... got free ground shipping and it only took 2 days via FedEx

i don't know about the Omegas ... i use the stock ATi CruddyConfusedCrap interface



someone else will

 

[zcubed]

yep its true with the omegas u dont get CCC u just get the old control panel interface. i use the omegas based on 7.1 catalysts.

 

[rickV10]

Originally posted by: honestjohn
Guess Powercolor finally realized there is a problem with X1950 Pro's and they are selling a new version of the Accelero2 with a special Heatspreader for the VRMs.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=90&data=3&disc=

Arctic Cooling is also selling the Special VRM Heatspreader by itself on EBay for $1.00 + $5.00 shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270082179956

In my opinion they should send one for free to every user who has bought one of their cards already.

From the all the reviews I have read (newegg buyer reviews, e-mags, etc.), I have not read anything about a heat problem with the Powercolor. If there is such a problem, perhaps you can tell me about it. From what I know through my research, Powercolor isn't selling a new version. The first link you provided is from Artic Cooler, not Powercolor, so it is not as if Powercolor has announced a new version for sale. Perhaps this new piece is for use with other, non-Powercolor X1950 Pro's. The reason for this is the area where this heat spreader would go on the Powercolor card is currently occupied by a couple black rectangular chips:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-131-035-03.jpg

Now if the heat spreader is suppose to lay over these then perhaps it can fit, but considering it has double-sided tape and is suppose to stick/lay flat on that area of the card I just don't see how it would be possible...here is a pic to illustrate from Artic Cooler:

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/pics/AccX2_VRHSM2.gif

Here is the heat spreader instruction manual:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/downloads...oltage_Regulator_Heatsink_X1950Pro.pdf

I just bought one of these cards yesterday from Mwave so I am hoping the stuff I am saying is correct. Otherwise this would be another hassle I don't really need. Thanks for the info anyways.

*EDIT*

After doing a bit more research it seems that this heat spreader is compatible with the PCI-Express version of the Powercolor X1950, not the AGP. The PCI-Express Version does have area open for the placement of the heat spreader (check the lower right corner of the card):

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-131-027-03.JPG

The AGP card, by contrast, has numerous chips, welds, and other stuff in that area which would prohibit the placement of the heatspreader:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-131-035-03.JPG

Thus, from what I can conclude, this heat spreader is for PCI-Express cards, not the AGP cards. Perhaps they will come out with something for AGP, but who knows.

If any of you are not sure what the heatspreader looks like, here is a pic:

http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/86/6e/9f0b_1.JPG

 

[honestjohn]

Originally posted by: rickV10
After doing a bit more research it seems that this heat spreader is compatible with the PCI-Express version of the Powercolor X1950, not the AGP. The PCI-Express Version does have area open for the placement of the heat spreader (check the lower right corner of the card):

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-131-027-03.JPG

The AGP card, by contrast, has numerous chips, welds, and other stuff in that area which would prohibit the placement of the heatspreader:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-131-035-03.JPG

Thus, from what I can conclude, this heat spreader is for PCI-Express cards, not the AGP cards. Perhaps they will come out with something for AGP, but who knows.

If any of you are not sure what the heatspreader looks like, here is a pic:

http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/86/6e/9f0b_1.JPG

Hey, thanks. I shot from the hip yesterday when I posted that. I corrected that other post which was very badly worded. However to me looking at the install instructions and the 2 cards - AGP / PCI E side by side, it looks like it was designed to fit either one? I also just sent an email off to Arctic online sales to see what they have to say.

 

[apoppin]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37341

THIS REVIEW provides an interesting comparison in technologies by comparing three almost identical graphics cards. All three are from Sapphire and all three use the ATI X1950 Pro GPU, the difference is that one is the AGP version, one is the vanilla version and one is the Ultimate version.

ultimate version?


just a 200Mhz higher memory clock and an included game ... 256MB vRAM, PCIe only

but you can see how the AGP version compares
[very well]

 

[Stumps]

I just noticed something about my Sapphire X1950Pro 512mb....I don't have any of the reboot problems that a lot of people are having with them, when I use my Antec TPII550 PSU...I decided to test this and used my spare Antec SP500 2.0 psu which has 17A and 19A on the 12v and it causes the dodgy failure to reboot (only every 3rd or 4th reboot), but as soon as I plug my 550watter the problem goes away....I would say as a minimum for the sapphire card that you need a PSU with 19A+19A (36A max) on the 12v.

I just thought I would add that to help anyone having issues with the Sapphire card.

 

[GEOrifle]

"The Bad
All - Lack of DirectX 10 support could become a problem in the months to come"


What he means ??????

 

[mismajor99]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: mismajor99

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
How long does ZZF normally take to ship an order out, status is still processing.

Same here, still says "Processing", I wonder if they ran out, as we both ordered them the same day

My guess is that they dont have any for us, they are just hoping to get some in the next few days and refuse to say that they are on back-order on their homepage because so much money is coming in.

it's time to email or call ... i wouldn't wait this long

did they charge your CC?

They finally shipped it!

Although, it is coming from California, so I will probably not see it until Thursday. So much for 2-day shipping. It would have been here via UPS ground by tomorrow if they shipped it out the day after I ordered it.

Also, I hear that if I use the Omega drivers, I will not have to install the CCC, as he uses the old control panel with the new driver sets, this true?

Yeah, they shipped mine and it says it will be here tomorrow. Finally, I've been without a card for a week now

It said it shipped yesterday(Tuesday), so I guess that means 2 day shipping. lol I'm on the East Coast (Philly) so I figured it would take a while. Let me know how your card is, as I hope I won't have to sign for it because I'll be at work.

 

[mismajor99]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
"The Bad
All - Lack of DirectX 10 support could become a problem in the months to come"


What he means ??????

Yeah well, my upgrade will be well worth it, as my 850xt pe was unable to perform SM 3.0, plus it's a nice upgrade considering I only paid 40 bucks for it after selling my old card. Anyway, If I can get through another year without building a whole new rig, it's a win for me. I will be fine with 9.0c ,as Crysis will still look fantastic.

You can always wait for the next big thing but sometimes you just need to upgrade.

 

[Sven Hassel]

I have just got one of these...and to be honest its ok, its not that big a step up from my clocked 6800gt, although maybe my 1gig of ram is holding the thing back....

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Sven Hassel
I have just got one of these...and to be honest its ok, its not that big a step up from my clocked 6800gt, although maybe my 1gig of ram is holding the thing back....

This is not good news for me, do you play at 1600X1200 with 16x AF though?

 

[Sven Hassel]

nope 1240*1024....Viewsonic LCD monitor
3500+ athlon, 1 gig 3200 5-2-2-2
and i had to buy a new power supply as my Antec 550watt true power couldnt run the thing!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Sven Hassel
I have just got one of these...and to be honest its ok, its not that big a step up from my clocked 6800gt, although maybe my 1gig of ram is holding the thing back....

i think it *depends* on what you were expecting

i upgraded from an x850xt > x1950p and found the difference *substantial* [+25% to +35%] but not mind-boggling ...

the x850xt/6800GT are decent midrange cards able to play the latest games pretty well at 12x10 ... the x1950p just basically gives a *solid notch* up in performance ... the ability to play with details *maxed* that were on *medium*

i seriously doubt that 1GB is holding you back ... except with Gothic3 and other RAM-hungry games

*that said* ... i also need to upgrade to 1.5 or 2GB [just *anyway*] and also am looking for a PS that will run in my current rig and also be useful for a possible r600 x-fire rig next ... mine is *marginal*

i guess 900w would be the minimum ...
:Q

 

[Sven Hassel]

To be honest I was hoping for a bit more from it...although im not sure if maybe im seeing some problems with the monitor not keeping up, its a 924 model which is a 3ms response. My hardware monitoris telling me my ram usage is at 100% during games like RACE or BF2 so possibly thats the problem

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Sven Hassel
To be honest I was hoping for a bit more from it...although im not sure if maybe im seeing some problems with the monitor not keeping up, its a 924 model which is a 3ms response. My hardware monitoris telling me my ram usage is at 100% during games like RACE or BF2 so possibly thats the problem

huh?


you have a LCD that runs at a native resolution of 12x10 ... what are you trying to do with it?

and if your system RAM is insufficient you will get swap file access with stuttering and other usually obvious hitches in the game's performance

what is going on?

 

[zcubed]

personally i think that 1 gb ram is holding u back a bit. i find taht in my system even when im not playing games the system uses about 750mb RAM so that doesnt leave much room for games. but then i got 2gb and everything runs considerably better. going from a 7800gs to this was a good jump for me as well. not unbelievable but quite nice enugh to max everything out. and whats ur processor?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: zcubed
personally i think that 1 gb ram is holding u back a bit. i find taht in my system even when im not playing games the system uses about 750mb RAM so that doesnt leave much room for games. but then i got 2gb and everything runs considerably better. going from a 7800gs to this was a good jump for me as well. not unbelievable but quite nice enugh to max everything out. and whats ur processor?

good god ... what OS and what aps are you running in the background to use 750 MB at 'idle'?
:Q

 

[Schadenfroh]

Well, got it in, installed it and put on the latest drivers. Card is noticeably louder than my geforce (but that is to be expected, I was using a zalman pure copper after market hs/fan). It required two molex plugs:shocked:, So I had to rearrange some connectors inside my case to free another up, installation probably took about an hour counting all of that and using drivercleaner. 2D looks identical to the Geforce at my monitors native 1600x1200 resolution. Going to set it to loop 3Dmark to test for stability.

Anyone know of any guides to the CCC to better explain what each option does? This is very different from my Detonator Drivers.

 

[zcubed]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zcubed
personally i think that 1 gb ram is holding u back a bit. i find taht in my system even when im not playing games the system uses about 750mb RAM so that doesnt leave much room for games. but then i got 2gb and everything runs considerably better. going from a 7800gs to this was a good jump for me as well. not unbelievable but quite nice enugh to max everything out. and whats ur processor?

good god ... what OS and what aps are you running in the background to use 750 MB at 'idle'?
:Q

lol sounds crazy right? antivirus (30-40mb), browser (55-80mb), svchost.exe(whatever that is 320mb), sqlservr (25mb), msn (20mb), aim (10mb), explorer.exe( 30mb). total for that comes to ~500mb. i usually have about 45 processes running. 45-7=38. so from 38 misc processes theres about 200-250mb. i almost always have my browser open not to mention a bunch of this running hence the need for the dual-core processor. tasks tend not to interfere with my gaming. never seen 'idle' use under 650mb. Win XP Pro w/SP2.

 

[zodder]

Originally posted by: Sven Hassel
I have just got one of these...and to be honest its ok, its not that big a step up from my clocked 6800gt, although maybe my 1gig of ram is holding the thing back....

I'm in the same boat and ordered 2GB of ram. I can hear my hdd thrashing almost all the time, so adding memory will deff help. Also, I run at 1920x1200, and upgrading from the 6800GT allows me to run AA/AS as high as I want, which I couldn't do on the 6800GT. The 512MB of mem on the Sapphire sure helps, too.