I am ordering my computer parts in a week. I was set on getting the X1900XTX but I am wondering if I should wait for the G71.... or is it not expected to be that much better....
X1900XTX or wait for the G71?
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the way i see it, there will always be a better card around the corner. Are you willing to wait or do you want a machine now?
Well no one knows if the 7900 GTX will be a vapor ware like 7800 GTX 512 and if it is not vapor ware it will be out in about 6-7 weeks. You could always trade up later if the 7900 GTX looks like it much better but from what i have heard its only ~10-15% increase in some game.
5150Joker
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Depends on you. If you feel you can wait then go ahead and wait. If you urgently want a new card then get the X1900. But like the others here have said, there is always something better around the corner.
Me personally I would Pickup a Evga product and Step Up when its released mid march. Also I wouldn't by the XTX unless you plan on overclocking it as the 25MHz difference with the core is going to have a very small affect on games and certainly is not worth an extra $100. On the other hand the XTX seems to be cherry picked cores and seems to have quite a bit of headroom over the XT.
Buy now, Tomorrow never comes.
I started ordering for my new machine in Nov, got it up and running 2 days ago due to constantly changing parts as things changed again and again. My last change was gutting the X1800 XT for a X1900XT just because it was obvious that the 1900 was the 1800 with all the design flaws corrected. :laugh:
Go with the X1900 XT version though, the odds on you not being able to run it at XTX speeds are pretty slim.
The problem with computers ... they are just like new cars ... drive it off the lot and you loose half the price instantly ... if you are going to sit on the fence, you might as well sit on the fence and wait until AMD comes out with their Quad CPU's ... ie: don't buy anything in 2006.
I started ordering for my new machine in Nov, got it up and running 2 days ago due to constantly changing parts as things changed again and again. My last change was gutting the X1800 XT for a X1900XT just because it was obvious that the 1900 was the 1800 with all the design flaws corrected. :laugh:
Go with the X1900 XT version though, the odds on you not being able to run it at XTX speeds are pretty slim.
The problem with computers ... they are just like new cars ... drive it off the lot and you loose half the price instantly ... if you are going to sit on the fence, you might as well sit on the fence and wait until AMD comes out with their Quad CPU's ... ie: don't buy anything in 2006.
The most important thing you can do is not listen to advice like this.
1. Cooler does not have any idea about 7900GTX availability.
2. Cooler does not have any idea about 7900GTX performance.
The real question is:
Launch date for the 7900GTX has been reported as one month from now by generally reliable websites like XBit.
Will you be happy with you X1900XTX in a month if a product comes out that is comparably priced, and blows it away in performance?
That is a very possible scenario. It's not likely nVidia will paper launch anything given the market climate, it's possible they'll run out quick and leave the "it'll be cheaper next week guys" hanging. Or they may havew widespread stock and availability.
In any case, making assumptions the launch of this product will be like the launch of another makes NO SENSE. ATI paper launched Crossfire three times, delayed R520 months, and cancelled one of their low end cards altogether last year. Yet they got the X1900s out pretty much as planned.
What exactly makes his advice invalid?
Neither do you, nobody does
Neither do you, nobody does
And there have also been reports of delays...
It's also very possible that it wont be faster (or be very little faster) than the X1900. Again nobody knows.
I also doubt it'll be comparatively priced, the X1900 is already going under MSRP and will continue to drop in price.
I doubt they'll do a paper launch but with the reports of tape-out and the release date, very low availability at launch looks like a likely scenerio.
If you need a card now then get the X1900XT, if you want to wait then wait but at this point no body knows what the G71 will or will not be (or when exactly it'll be available). If you wait then the price of the X1900 will most likely be lower (if that matters).
In my case I just bought the X1900XT. If you are an overclocker then get the XTX, otherwise the 100 difference isn't really worth it.
What's funny here is the same people who tried to get people to wait what ended up being 5 months for the R520 are the ones here who think a month is too long.
No, but there are like 20 of them with different titles all asking the same thing... If people used the search button, a lot of less clogging going on.
Which people?
Whats even more funny is that you haven't recommended that he buy an overpriced GTX512 to sell on e-bay because its such a great investment....
Read some of the other threads, this question has already been asked a bunch of times. Despite what anyone here may say, nobody knows how much faster G71 will be than a 1900XTX.
A wait in one case is not the same as a wait in another case. Any sensible person who was looking for a high end card last summer should have, and most like did, buy a 7800gtx. There was no supply shortage, below msrp prices, and even a bunch of vendor oc'd versions.
That all turned upside down with the gtx512 "launch", and except for the diehard enthusiasts hardly anyone would consider it a good buy with the absurd prices and short supply. The news of the r580 coming in a month made it even less of a good buy.
Now the x1900 is having the same success as the 7800gtx had last summer, and with the news of the g71 coming next month, waiting or not waiting are both equally valid choices, depending on the situation. I doublt Nv will want to try another PR stunt like the gtx512, so chances are the g71 will have wide availability and reasonable prices. However there have also been rumors of recent tape outs and yield issues, so there's no guarantees when it comes to g71.
That all turned upside down with the gtx512 "launch", and except for the diehard enthusiasts hardly anyone would consider it a good buy with the absurd prices and short supply. The news of the r580 coming in a month made it even less of a good buy.
Now the x1900 is having the same success as the 7800gtx had last summer, and with the news of the g71 coming next month, waiting or not waiting are both equally valid choices, depending on the situation. I doublt Nv will want to try another PR stunt like the gtx512, so chances are the g71 will have wide availability and reasonable prices. However there have also been rumors of recent tape outs and yield issues, so there's no guarantees when it comes to g71.
akugami
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What's wrong with it? Now, personally, I'm waiting to see if the R580 or the G71 will be better myself.
1. Nobody not under NDA knows how widely available the 7900GTX will be. And no one can question the 7800GTX 512MB was so scarce as to be nearly vaporware.
2. Again, nobody not under NDA knows how the 7900GTX will perform. I'm of the opinion the performance of an 7900GTX will be akin to the jump from an X1800 to X1900. In other words, the 7900GTX be better than the 7800GTX 512MB but I don't feel it will be so compelling performance wise over the X1900 that anyone who bought an X1900 will feel buyers remorse.
At this point, all anyone has is speculation. Your speculation is that the G71 will blow all competition out of the water. I'm not so sure about this and I've outlined why many times. Many people have speculated that the G71 will be good, but not great. You think it'll be so great that it will destroy all competition (at least that's what I get from your posts). But again, speculation. What makes your guesses better than anyone else's? If you had hard performance data, you'd be under NDA and you wouldn't even be able to talk about how great it is.
I absolutely don't think nVidia will paper launch nor can they afford a paper launch. nVidia has a one product track record as far as hard launches go. They paper launched the 6800 series, hard launched the 7800 series, then paper launched the 7300GS. Using the same criteria nVidia themselves used to judged the X1800 launch, the 7300GS was a paper launch. nVidia has been pimping their 7800 hard launch for the last 6+ months. It is imperative that they continue to hard launch or lose mindshare. They lose all the goodwill they garnered with the 7800 series.
At this point, ATI has pretty much the same record for hard launches as nVidia. One product cycle (X1900) in the last couple of years (that I can remember off hand). So they aren't to be commended here either. In all fairness, the R520 was said to be late due to a 3rd party asic. Whether that's true or not, it's what ATI claims.
Either way, nVidia should have had the 7900GTX out by now. It's quite possible the move to 90nm is not going as smoothly as they anticipated and is causing this delay.
Now, as stated, I'm waiting to see how the G71 performs before I choose between it and the X1900. I have seen nothing that would make me think it'll be a bad video card but again, my gut feeling is that it'll be a great upgrade to a 7800GTX but merely an incremental upgrade to the 7800GTX 512MB. If you are set on building your system in a week, go ahead and get the X1900XT (the X1900XTX is not worth the $100). If you can wait another month, then absolutely wait and see which is better.
n7
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I have never recommended waiting for a video card, & i wouldn't suggest it.
Grab it now, & enjoy your performance sooner, rather than later.
If the G71 turns out to be much better, then sell your 1900, & buy the new card
The only people recommending you wait are nVidiots who panic @ the thought of you buying ATi hardware.
Funny how i never saw Rollo recommending waiting for the X1900s, oh no :roll:
Grab it now, & enjoy your performance sooner, rather than later.
If the G71 turns out to be much better, then sell your 1900, & buy the new card
The only people recommending you wait are nVidiots who panic @ the thought of you buying ATi hardware.
Funny how i never saw Rollo recommending waiting for the X1900s, oh no :roll:
Originally posted by: n7
I have never recommended waiting for a video card, & i wouldn't suggest it.
Grab it now, & enjoy your performance sooner, rather than later.
If the G71 turns out to be much better, then sell your 1900, & buy the new card
The only people recommending you wait are nVidiots who panic @ the thought of you buying ATi hardware.
Funny how i never saw Rollo recommending waiting for the X1900s, oh no :roll:
I bet you wish you would have waited n7. $500-$600 is a lot of money to pay for the fourth fastest card!
JPB
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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: n7
I have never recommended waiting for a video card, & i wouldn't suggest it.
Grab it now, & enjoy your performance sooner, rather than later.
If the G71 turns out to be much better, then sell your 1900, & buy the new card
The only people recommending you wait are nVidiots who panic @ the thought of you buying ATi hardware.
Funny how i never saw Rollo recommending waiting for the X1900s, oh no :roll:
I bet you wish you would have waited n7. $500-$600 is a lot of money to pay for the fourth fastest card!
But you still recommend a GTX 512 on occasion..and we all know how much they are.....And it's not even the fastest card.. unless you live for OpenGL which im sure noone does
:roll:
You've already said that to him, what 3 times. Every time he has responded that he only paid 320 US for it.
You started a thread about this and X1800XT weren't "pissed" at ATi for releasing the X1900.
Just give it up, pretty pathetic.
And yes I upgraded from an X1800 to an X1900, it cost me $50 to do so. The X1800 was a great card and the X1900 is a great card, and no I am not pissed at ATi for releasing the X1900.
Keysplayr
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"X1900XTX or wait for the G71?"
Being that G71 is this close, I would say to wait and see benchies. Then buy the better card. It all depends on the user, if hot to buy a card right this moment, go XTX. If buyers remorse is a possiblity, (and it usually is for most) wait for G71. That is all.
Being that G71 is this close, I would say to wait and see benchies. Then buy the better card. It all depends on the user, if hot to buy a card right this moment, go XTX. If buyers remorse is a possiblity, (and it usually is for most) wait for G71. That is all.
n7
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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: n7
I have never recommended waiting for a video card, & i wouldn't suggest it.
Grab it now, & enjoy your performance sooner, rather than later.
If the G71 turns out to be much better, then sell your 1900, & buy the new card
The only people recommending you wait are nVidiots who panic @ the thought of you buying ATi hardware.
Funny how i never saw Rollo recommending waiting for the X1900s, oh no :roll:
I bet you wish you would have waited n7. $500-$600 is a lot of money to pay for the fourth fastest card!
You truely do enjoy trolling don't you? :roll:
I have told you like three times now why i bought my X1800XT!
I paid $375 CND aka $320 USD for it, cheaper than a 7800GT here :roll:
Do i regret buying it for that price? ****** no, you moron.
I'm so tired of your selective BS :|
I was planning on a 7800GTX 256 MB, but wtf would i buy a slower card for more?
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