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X1900 pricing

moonboy403

moonboy403

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According to market sources, ATI is unlikely to price its R580-based products at unprecedented levels, e.g., the part will not cost $649, a suggested retail price for the GeForce 7800 GTX 512.
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from x-bit labs

if it does indeed price at less than 650 and considering the performance it'll deliver
then x1900 isn't a bad choice at all :thumbsup:
 
we can only hope. It would be nice if there wasn't people out there that would buy the thing for that much though. So the rest of us more price sensitive folks could have resonably priced cards again.
 
Everything these days are more expensive Milk, bread, water, meat, gas...etc..

I do not think the tread is going to stop anytime soon so i guess we all will have to get used to increase of prices for everything.
 
Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Everything these days are more expensive Milk, bread, water, meat, gas...etc..

I do not think the tread is going to stop anytime soon so i guess we all will have to get used to increase of prices for everything.
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To be fair, your same $300-400 buys you a LOT more performance than it did a few years ago (so price/performance has still been going up, even if absolute prices have not been dropping as much as some might like). I mean, I bought a refurb 9800Pro for ~$275 a couple years ago (which was a pretty good price at the time, especially considering it was the version with a Zalman cooler on it that cost about $30 by itself), whereas the same $275 right now can buy a new 7800GT (which is easily 2-3 times as fast).

There are just more tiers of performance up above what used to be the 'high-end' pricepoint of ~$300-400. Not to mention SLI configurations...
 
Originally posted by: moonboy403
According to market sources, ATI is unlikely to price its R580-based products at unprecedented levels, e.g., the part will not cost $649, a suggested retail price for the GeForce 7800 GTX 512.
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from x-bit labs

if it does indeed price at less than 650 and considering the performance it'll deliver
then x1900 isn't a bad choice at all :thumbsup:
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Maybe I missed something, but a 650$ price-tag isn't great.Every time the highest-end card gets a 50+ boost to it's price. These are the prices that I heard of, but basically I got into hardware just before the 9800XT got launched. These are all MSRP.
The GF4 Ti were 400$ The 6800s were 500$, the 7800GTX was 550$, and than the GTX 512 is 650$. Woot Great prices! And people are still buying the cards...
Of course these are the prices that I've heard of, if I'm wrong, I'll delete the post.
Oh, and it seems as if the low-end hasn't moved at all from the FX5200, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
Performance per price goes up relative to older hardware, but that's not the case relative to the current games. For example 2.5 years ago a 9800p would cost somewhere around $400-$500, and it could run all the games of that generation at 16x12 without problems. Now you can get a much more powerful x1800xt or 7800gtx for the same money, but it wont even run demanding games like FEAR or COD2 at 1600x1200 smoothly.

Also, I feel the jump in performance this gen was not as big as last gen. A x800xt pe or a 6800u was somewhere 2x-3x as fast as tha 9800xt from the previous gen. This time around, a 7800gtx is nowhere near 2x as fast as the x850xt pe in most games, and yet the msrp prices keep going up. The x800xt pe came out at $500 msrp, and about a year later the 7800gtx launched at $600 msrp. So even though the cards keep getting better, the prices increase even faster and the games are becoming ridiculously demanding on the HW.
 
Originally posted by: moonboy403
at least they're saying that ati's unlikely to price the product beyond $650

it's a good thing isn't it?
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And no, it means that in 3-4 years we'll have 1000$ cards. every refresh has a 50$ to 100$ (if it's a new gen) jump in MSRP. you can buy an office PC with 650$.
 
Originally posted by: munky
Performance per price goes up relative to older hardware, but that's not the case relative to the current games. For example 2.5 years ago a 9800p would cost somewhere around $400-$500, and it could run all the games of that generation at 16x12 without problems. Now you can get a much more powerful x1800xt or 7800gtx for the same money, but it wont even run demanding games like FEAR or COD2 at 1600x1200 smoothly.
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The 9800Pro is not going to perform well if you try to run HL2 or Doom3 or FarCry with everything cranked up at 1600x1200 (let alone with AA/AF enabled). These are games that came out within its lifetime, but after the card was out. The 7800GTX came out before FEAR or COD2 or BF2 (and the X1800 was supposed to be out before these games), and generally pummels any game except for those.

Also, I feel the jump in performance this gen was not as big as last gen. A x800xt pe or a 6800u was somewhere 2x-3x as fast as tha 9800xt from the previous gen. This time around, a 7800gtx is nowhere near 2x as fast as the x850xt pe in most games, and yet the msrp prices keep going up. The x800xt pe came out at $500 msrp, and about a year later the 7800gtx launched at $600 msrp. So even though the cards keep getting better, the prices increase even faster and the games are becoming ridiculously demanding on the HW.
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Right; basically, price/performance is improving, but not as fast as performance (so prices are actually going up on high-end cards). You can't have everything, at least not right now. 😛
 
I think of it this way.. the more expensive cards get, the more value they retain when it's time to sell it off. For example, if I buy a 7800GT for $300 now, it might be worth $200 by the time I want a 7900 or X1900.

This isn't a new concept, at all. My route: 9800Pro ($200.00 - Sold it for $100) >> 6600GT ($200.00 - Sold it for $150) >> X800XL ($250.00 - Sold it for $188) >> 2x7800GT's ($600.00 [but I paid $300.00] - Sell them for $400) >> X1900/7900 ($600-$700??)

It's still more money out of my pocket, but they'll keep paying for themselves.. even it's only partially, it's still more than half.

Here's the difference, how much I actually spent.

9800Pro ($200.00) >> 6600GT ($100.00) >> X800XL ($100.00) >> 2x7800GT's ($112) >> X1900/7900 ($150-$300???)
 
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: moonboy403
at least they're saying that ati's unlikely to price the product beyond $650

it's a good thing isn't it?
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And no, it means that in 3-4 years we'll have 1000$ cards. every refresh has a 50$ to 100$ (if it's a new gen) jump in MSRP. you can buy an office PC with 650$.
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Maybe. However, super-ultra-high-end card prices are pretty irrelevant as long as they keep making cards in the $100-400 segment, and price/performance on those cards keeps improving.

The existence of million-dollar supercars, for instance, does not make a $15,000 sedan or $30,000 sports car suddenly perform worse (unless all the companies stop making cheap sedans and only make super-expensive sports cars). 😛
 
I just hate how I got a 6800GT for $303 shipped in July of 04. (yes it was a hot deal) but more than twice this seems a bit insane.
 
What all of this boils down to is what munky refered to and that is that the newer games coming out are totally pushing the envelope on the hardware needed to play these games at decent framerates. Also people are expecting to play these new games on their widescreen LCD's at 1600x1200 and higher. What to do? Tell the game manufacturers to "tone down" the graphics or code games better(if possilble) to not require such expensive hardware? I'm not sure what the answer is. Slow down game development/progress? I think the newer cards are relative bargains for the performance that they provide. If you are going to insist running the new games at 1900x1200(or whatever) then I think Nvidia and ATI should be compensated for the research and development they do. I'm pretty happy after buying a X800GTO that wipes the floor with my 6600GT and I bought it for $50 less!(And I have been playing bf1942 at 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 with max eye candy and really enjoying it.
 
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: moonboy403
at least they're saying that ati's unlikely to price the product beyond $650

it's a good thing isn't it?
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And no, it means that in 3-4 years we'll have 1000$ cards. every refresh has a 50$ to 100$ (if it's a new gen) jump in MSRP. you can buy an office PC with 650$.
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Assuming you have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers; you can buy a descent gaming rig for $650 anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Jaihahih
Originally posted by: JBT
I just hate how I got a 6800GT for $303 shipped in July of 04. (yes it was a hot deal) but more than twice this seems a bit insane.
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Don't you mean 05???
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no 04 when they first came out. MSRP was $399 at the time.
 
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